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Antimatterz
United States1010 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:29 Denzil wrote: oh man everyone asks for Avilo to come on knowing what would happen then Avilo comes on and everyone complains dat community I know, its depressing really not coming back into this thread for a long time  | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote: did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable. you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra? | ||
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:35 blade55555 wrote: This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol. The other point is Avilo whines at everything, he's been crying about TvZ for years and i have never seen a rational post about balance from him | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:35 blooblooblahblah wrote: This. Avilo at the end was making absolutely no sense and was barely even understanding what Idra was saying. If he was actually giving a decent debate, then maybe i would feel some more sympathy for him. But in the end there, his logic was so flawed and he wasn't even listening to what Idra was saying and just kept repeating "so you agree with me." Yeeep. Avilo grasped onto the first thing he understood, then rolled with it, even if it had no relevance to the actual point Idra was trying to make. Like I said before, Idra was an asshole (and Inc and JP too), but Avilo was an idiot. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote: i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show. abort thread. not worth it dude. "STFU" -- lol =) | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote: i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show. lol wow :O | ||
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architecture
United States643 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
EDIT: I think incontrol not being able to tell if he was going to be around on the 4th makes me think it more | ||
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:35 blade55555 wrote: This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol. My point was that they are both as irrelavent in terms of skills in the sc2 scene currently. Idra's win rate is at 26% or something ridiculous so really its not his place to lecture other people about how bad they are. | ||
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
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GuardianEU
Netherlands488 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote: avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now you can't play the no results card when he's up against someone like avilo mate. and most of the times he got cut off was becasue he twisted Idra's words and that would make me pissed aswell. there wasn;t that much to grasp in the 'arguments' he made. all he said was basically: zerg can drone, terran can't stop it with the builds they used before the patch, therefore it;s imba. that is litarally the main argument in every point he tried to make. about the late, mid and early game. Idra didn;t behave that decent either near the end. but at the start he actually gave some concepts that terran could have tried but avilo ignored them completely. now I'm off to bed, good night sir  | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:38 sekritzzz wrote: My point was that they are both as irrelavent in terms of skills in the sc2 scene currently. Idra's win rate is at 26% or something ridiculous so really its not his place to lecture other people about how bad they are. been awhile since i checked, but whats QXC's win rate recently? he seems to be incredibly intelligent and able to discuss tvz. | ||
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Woizit
801 Posts
Idra's points are quite general as well if you look into it closely. "Random timings", "good decisions" and such words don't have meaning when the Terran race is having the exact problem of being unable to find a way to identify such timings or decisions because of their army strength. Running the hellions past the Queens doesn't make much sense when it's not possible to identify what's behind those Queens either (and it's up to us to imagine how many hellions Terran will make and how the zerg uses the queens in reaction). Idra just manages to sell himself as "knowing zerg's still weak" and those debating with him just follows his pace. | ||
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boomudead1
United States186 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:31 Chicane wrote: First of all, iNcontroL gives Artosis shit all the time, and JP trolls people quite often. Why don't more people bitch about that? And yes, clothing is relevant to professionalism. If I show up in jeans to a meeting with my boss, that would look bad and unprofessional. Of course I am not personally suggesting that they should dress up more, but if this show really is about coming across as very professional, then they should dress up more to present themselves more pleasantly to their audience. Do you understand context at all? If I jokingly say something insulting to a friend that's way different than saying shit about someone who is obviously not my friend, and who is not even there to respond. I don't know Avilo, I'm no fan of him, he wasn't very good at arguing and might have been slightly obnoxious, BUT incontrol and idra basically shit talked him the entire show before he came in, and then when he asked what was up with that incontrol got pissed and didn't let him finish, then after that there was some questionable arguing from both sides, until IdrA said avilo is terrible and he wouldn't talk to him and JP hung him up. The entire show felt more like an anti avilo circlejerk than anything else. Also, incontrol might say IdrA is maturing, but as far as I can tell he's just tourning more and more into a douchebag, be it that it takes longer until he rages or not. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:39 GuardianEU wrote: you can't play the no results card when he's up against someone like avilo mate. and most of the times he got cut off was becasue he twisted Idra's words and that would make me pissed aswell. there wasn;t that much to grasp in the 'arguments' he made. all he said was basically: zerg can drone, terran can't stop it with the builds they used before the patch, therefore it;s imba. that is litarally the main argument in every point he tried to make. about the late, mid and early game. Idra didn;t behave that decent either near the end. but at the start he actually gave some concepts that terran could have tried but avilo ignored them completely. now I'm off to bed, good night sir and you think cutting off people mid sentences, adhominem attacks on the first speech, and hanging up on a guest is professional? This was what happened before avilo even said a word | ||
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