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Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
June 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#47381
On June 29 2012 11:29 Denzil wrote:
oh man everyone asks for Avilo to come on

knowing what would happen

then Avilo comes on

and everyone complains

dat community


I know, its depressing really

not coming back into this thread for a long time
"HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out"
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:37:59
June 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#47382
On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now


did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit

I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable.

you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra?
VictorJones
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States235 Posts
June 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#47383
If on any given day you decide for some reason that you are going to be on a show full of people who you know don't really respect you, that makes you dumb for accepting the invite. Idk, it was obvious what was going to happen and not only did he walk into it, our gm terran NA walked into it and tried to call people out on bashing on him thereby making the situation even more hostile. If you want to be on the show, know what you're getting into and don't try to play the victim when things go exactly as were foreseen
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
June 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#47384
On June 29 2012 11:35 blade55555 wrote:
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On June 29 2012 11:34 sekritzzz wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 ][Primarch][ wrote:
and since when did a terrible player such as Idra start telling terrans how to play? That is retarded, dude should learn to play zerg and then get back.

Yea this is what baffles me the most..... that idra thinks hes much better or relevant than avilo when it comes to sc2 talent.... Idra is a PR guy.


This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol.


The other point is Avilo whines at everything, he's been crying about TvZ for years and i have never seen a rational post about balance from him
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#47385
On June 29 2012 11:35 blooblooblahblah wrote:
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On June 29 2012 11:31 Integra wrote:
I couldn't follow with Avilos logic to be fully honest, Avilo would talk in the most general terms possible, no specifics at all, IdrA would respond and Avilo would respond with " so you agree with me" and then go on with something totally different than what IdrA said. It hard as hell getting any kind of context.


This. Avilo at the end was making absolutely no sense and was barely even understanding what Idra was saying. If he was actually giving a decent debate, then maybe i would feel some more sympathy for him. But in the end there, his logic was so flawed and he wasn't even listening to what Idra was saying and just kept repeating "so you agree with me."

Yeeep. Avilo grasped onto the first thing he understood, then rolled with it, even if it had no relevance to the actual point Idra was trying to make.

Like I said before, Idra was an asshole (and Inc and JP too), but Avilo was an idiot.
Hello
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#47386
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.

abort thread. not worth it dude.

"STFU" -- lol =)
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#47387
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.

lol wow :O
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
June 29 2012 02:38 GMT
#47388
What place do you have in the community other than to skim money off of deluded fans that think you give a shit about them?
tpfkan
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:39:51
June 29 2012 02:38 GMT
#47389
so anyone else thinking that the "pre announcement of an announcment" was him going to korea? Wasn't that happening?

EDIT: I think incontrol not being able to tell if he was going to be around on the 4th makes me think it more
dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
June 29 2012 02:38 GMT
#47390
personally, i felt like avilo's points might not have been valid, but he still deserved respect. he shouldn't have been hung up on, that was just childish.

i love you
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
June 29 2012 02:38 GMT
#47391
On June 29 2012 11:35 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:34 sekritzzz wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 ][Primarch][ wrote:
and since when did a terrible player such as Idra start telling terrans how to play? That is retarded, dude should learn to play zerg and then get back.

Yea this is what baffles me the most..... that idra thinks hes much better or relevant than avilo when it comes to sc2 talent.... Idra is a PR guy.


This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol.

My point was that they are both as irrelavent in terms of skills in the sc2 scene currently. Idra's win rate is at 26% or something ridiculous so really its not his place to lecture other people about how bad they are.
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
June 29 2012 02:38 GMT
#47392
incontrol man, i am dissapoint
n.Die_Jaedong
GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
June 29 2012 02:39 GMT
#47393
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now


you can't play the no results card when he's up against someone like avilo mate. and most of the times he got cut off was becasue he twisted Idra's words and that would make me pissed aswell.

there wasn;t that much to grasp in the 'arguments' he made. all he said was basically: zerg can drone, terran can't stop it with the builds they used before the patch, therefore it;s imba. that is litarally the main argument in every point he tried to make. about the late, mid and early game. Idra didn;t behave that decent either near the end. but at the start he actually gave some concepts that terran could have tried but avilo ignored them completely.

now I'm off to bed, good night sir

Standard.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 29 2012 02:39 GMT
#47394
On June 29 2012 11:38 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:35 blade55555 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:34 sekritzzz wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 ][Primarch][ wrote:
and since when did a terrible player such as Idra start telling terrans how to play? That is retarded, dude should learn to play zerg and then get back.

Yea this is what baffles me the most..... that idra thinks hes much better or relevant than avilo when it comes to sc2 talent.... Idra is a PR guy.


This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol.

My point was that they are both as irrelavent in terms of skills in the sc2 scene currently. Idra's win rate is at 26% or something ridiculous so really its not his place to lecture other people about how bad they are.

been awhile since i checked, but whats QXC's win rate recently? he seems to be incredibly intelligent and able to discuss tvz.
Woizit
Profile Joined June 2011
801 Posts
June 29 2012 02:39 GMT
#47395
It's Idra's strength really, he established himself as always "being right" when he might not be, even going so far as to disregard MKP's play (which whether he's being serious or not doesn't matter since it just highlights how he sells his image).

Idra's points are quite general as well if you look into it closely. "Random timings", "good decisions" and such words don't have meaning when the Terran race is having the exact problem of being unable to find a way to identify such timings or decisions because of their army strength. Running the hellions past the Queens doesn't make much sense when it's not possible to identify what's behind those Queens either (and it's up to us to imagine how many hellions Terran will make and how the zerg uses the queens in reaction). Idra just manages to sell himself as "knowing zerg's still weak" and those debating with him just follows his pace.
boomudead1
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States186 Posts
June 29 2012 02:39 GMT
#47396
why did they bring avilo up and then shut him in the middle of the discussion. theres no point debating TvZ if players dont show respect. doesnt seem like if they were going to agree on a point then whats the point of bringing avilo up?
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 29 2012 02:39 GMT
#47397
I lost so much respect for EG today. Yes, okay, I understand Idra is generally a dumbass, but Incontrol? Dude, you're supposed to be the PR guy as captain. This is a joke. I'm not going to pretend you were ever my favourite team, but I was beginning to warm up to you. Now? No thanks.
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
June 29 2012 02:40 GMT
#47398
On June 29 2012 11:31 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:28 -_- wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:26 Chicane wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:25 -_- wrote:
Geoff patronizing and Idra insulting Avilo is uncomfortable to watch. Idra is slightly better than Avilo, Geoff is about the same skill. They need to stop being childish.

JP smirking and squirming in the background is very, very annoying.

Those three need to take a lesson in professionalism from Nony and QXC.


Dude... it's SOTG. They are just trying to have some fun while providing entertainment.

...or maybe we should talk about how they are dressed too casually to present the show with professionalism?


Professionalism isn't about wearing suits. It's about controlling yourself and treating everyone with respect.


Also, nothing about that conversation was fun to watch.


First of all, iNcontroL gives Artosis shit all the time, and JP trolls people quite often. Why don't more people bitch about that?

And yes, clothing is relevant to professionalism. If I show up in jeans to a meeting with my boss, that would look bad and unprofessional.

Of course I am not personally suggesting that they should dress up more, but if this show really is about coming across as very professional, then they should dress up more to present themselves more pleasantly to their audience.

Do you understand context at all? If I jokingly say something insulting to a friend that's way different than saying shit about someone who is obviously not my friend, and who is not even there to respond.

I don't know Avilo, I'm no fan of him, he wasn't very good at arguing and might have been slightly obnoxious, BUT incontrol and idra basically shit talked him the entire show before he came in, and then when he asked what was up with that incontrol got pissed and didn't let him finish, then after that there was some questionable arguing from both sides, until IdrA said avilo is terrible and he wouldn't talk to him and JP hung him up. The entire show felt more like an anti avilo circlejerk than anything else. Also, incontrol might say IdrA is maturing, but as far as I can tell he's just tourning more and more into a douchebag, be it that it takes longer until he rages or not.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
June 29 2012 02:40 GMT
#47399
Well staying up all night for this episode wasn't really worth it
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
June 29 2012 02:40 GMT
#47400
On June 29 2012 11:39 GuardianEU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now


you can't play the no results card when he's up against someone like avilo mate. and most of the times he got cut off was becasue he twisted Idra's words and that would make me pissed aswell.

there wasn;t that much to grasp in the 'arguments' he made. all he said was basically: zerg can drone, terran can't stop it with the builds they used before the patch, therefore it;s imba. that is litarally the main argument in every point he tried to make. about the late, mid and early game. Idra didn;t behave that decent either near the end. but at the start he actually gave some concepts that terran could have tried but avilo ignored them completely.

now I'm off to bed, good night sir



and you think cutting off people mid sentences, adhominem attacks on the first speech, and hanging up on a guest is professional? This was what happened before avilo even said a word
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