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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47341
On June 29 2012 11:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I don't get it...why did people want avilo when qxc was there?

to insult him and cause a ruckus.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47342
On June 29 2012 11:28 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:26 Chicane wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:25 -_- wrote:
Geoff patronizing and Idra insulting Avilo is uncomfortable to watch. Idra is slightly better than Avilo, Geoff is about the same skill. They need to stop being childish.

JP smirking and squirming in the background is very, very annoying.

Those three need to take a lesson in professionalism from Nony and QXC.


Dude... it's SOTG. They are just trying to have some fun while providing entertainment.

...or maybe we should talk about how they are dressed too casually to present the show with professionalism?


Professionalism isn't about wearing suits. It's about controlling yourself and treating everyone with respect.


Also, nothing about that conversation was fun to watch.



I personally loved the patronizing, insulting and childish behavior.

so I'll continue to watch the show

you can stop if you want. no one is stopping you
banelings
wigwamfan
Profile Joined June 2011
85 Posts
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47343
shamefur dispray
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47344
Anyone know where there are picture from Huk that they just mentioned?
Refer to my post.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47345
On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously.

Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain.
Trict
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada182 Posts
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47346
On June 29 2012 11:30 HotGlueGun wrote:
What did you guys expect when they brought in Avilo? QXC was there for the real balance discussion, Avilo was there for the "drama."

thank you for having some sense
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47347
On June 29 2012 11:31 Integra wrote:
I couldn't follow with Avilos logic to be fully honest, Avilo would talk in the most general terms possible, no specifics at all, IdrA would respond and Avilo would respond with " so you agree with me" and then go on with something totally different than what IdrA said. It hard as hell getting any kind of context.


Neither talked in specifics.
tpfkan
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:33:07
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47348
On June 29 2012 11:29 Ranir wrote:
The chat asked for it and we all knew what was going to happen, Idra said it a lot of times that he didn't like him, you guys really can't be mad about how this turned out come on now...

Sure I can! I didn't ask for this madness, so my annoyed-ness coupon is retained.

Not going to use my annoyedness coupon because, of course, it's just a show - a free one, at that. Still, I could use it if I wanted to. It doesn't expire until October 29th, so I'm going to hold onto it.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
June 29 2012 02:32 GMT
#47349
On June 29 2012 11:31 Integra wrote:
I couldn't follow with Avilos logic to be fully honest, Avilo would talk in the most general terms possible, no specifics at all, IdrA would respond and Avilo would respond with " so you agree with me" and then go on with something totally different than what IdrA said. It hard as hell getting any kind of context.


I agree.
Standard.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:33:15
June 29 2012 02:33 GMT
#47350
On June 29 2012 11:30 Exarl25 wrote:
It was a stupid decision to bring him on. That's the only way it was going to end. Avilo is not the sort who would back down, he has been riding the Terran whine train since the beta. This was never going to be a debate or even a discussion, no ground could be gained, IdrA realizes this so just blows him off. That's the only resolution we were ever going to get.

Really poor of JP to bring him on, absolutely no reason for it. You have QXC right there, what can Avilo bring that he can't?


JP just did it for the entertainment value, you seriously think anyone actually values his opinion on the SOTG cast? They're constantly making fun of him for his non-stop whining since the beta.

I didn't like it though, bad call from JP.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
sdecker32
Profile Joined April 2011
United States38 Posts
June 29 2012 02:33 GMT
#47351
SOTG is basically the popular kids club, which makes sense since it is a talk show. I like all of them, and i like listening to them talk/joke/discuss things, but they definitely(besides tyler and qxc, on this episode) are very self important. This makes sense since they are the hosts of the most popular talk show about starcraft 2, and have been for 2 years(roughly).

Idra makes fun of avilo and calls him bad and says that this is why his opinion is unimportant, but you could make the same case that MMA thinks the matchup has a problem and what Idra says doesn't matte b/c idra is considerably worse than MMA. This is not a perfect analogy, but its basically an example of discrediting an idea b/c of the source, which is not a great idea.

Not to say that Avilo wasn't being an idiot on the forums last show, and he wasn't making good arguments, but it was just kind of stupid to watch and made idra look like an ass. Although that is probably what a lot of people tune in to see.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:34:12
June 29 2012 02:33 GMT
#47352
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
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On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:35:13
June 29 2012 02:33 GMT
#47353
On June 29 2012 11:31 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
Idra ended up arguing ad hominem while the cluless bandwagon furiously masturbated to idras greatness. I love the starcraft community, nobody seems to care about the actual game.

Idra going ad hom, Avilo going strawman, no one really tried to debate except QXC. What can you take away from that?

On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now

Putting words in someone else's mouth so you can agree with them is not being rational.
Who dat ninja?
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#47354
On June 29 2012 11:31 ][Primarch][ wrote:
and since when did a terrible player such as Idra start telling terrans how to play? That is retarded, dude should learn to play zerg and then get back.

Yea this is what baffles me the most..... that idra thinks hes much better or relevant than avilo when it comes to sc2 talent.... Idra is a PR guy.
DonHoratio
Profile Joined July 2011
United States10 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#47355
We should probably just ignore the whole Avilo being brought on thing, they were never going to take him seriously and it was a bad idea from the start. Focus on the qxc/Idra conversation, that was actually a very good balance discussion, and I really hope to see some more theorycrafting from both Terrans and Zergs in the coming weeks.

On a side note, stream chats are pretty much the worst thing ever created. Yikes.
Bushes knock down the towers.
XingYuen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States13 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#47356
JP is the Jerry Springer of the Starcraft community. SOTG is only a fraction of intelligent conversation EVER so not sure why people were surprised about it. The ONLY reason that guy was brought on was because JP knew Idra would trash talk him, there was a 0% chance it would be a worthwhile discussion and that was known ahead of time. That's just a fact about the show, if you're watching SOTG for rational balance debate you're very very misplaced.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#47357
On June 29 2012 11:31 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:29 Chicane wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:28 blacklist_member wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:26 iky43210 wrote:
I am completely disappointed with casters from State of the game. you don't fucking call a guest and just hang up on him because Idra got mad. Seriously, this is not how you treat people

I agree with this soo much... Bring up a person on the show, put on a ridiculous picture up of him and cut him off in the middle of an argument just because idra was pissed..... So unproffesional.


Where was all this rage when JP put up the fat bouncy cat gif of iNcontrol, or his WCG dancing gif?


selective bashing against community figures, no problem when Avilo made a comment about IdrA acting high and mighty even though he was making a legitimate point that foreign terrans are bad compared to korean terrans


It's hilarious how they adjusted to the queen build and then Z has adjusted to their adjustment. All of this before a single foreign Terran could figure out how to beat the queen build.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#47358
worst episode of sotg for me at least...
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#47359
Idra saying foreign Terrans suck compared to Korean Terrans...when he sucks compared to foreign Zergs as well. What's the relevance? Koreans aren't exactly doing well; hell, most of them have said in interviews that the matchup is imbalanced.
ysnake
Profile Joined June 2012
Bosnia-Herzegovina261 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#47360
Avilo was trying to make a point, but he wanted to say too many things at the same time and it came out weird, his idea was good, but didn't put it out the way he should.

IdrA being IdrA of course, so, he just shitted on him because he did not want to respond to his arguments rather than just sticking to his arguments that Avilo tried to prove why they are "kind-of" wrong.
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