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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:34 sekritzzz wrote: Yea this is what baffles me the most..... that idra thinks hes much better or relevant than avilo when it comes to sc2 talent.... Idra is a PR guy. very interesting. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
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cydial
United States750 Posts
Let's rewind the clock a year. *Mothership and archon toilet is dominating "Just don't let protoss get to this point because it's GG if you do" "That's the most retarded thing you can say about this, so it's fine as long as you kill the protoss before he gets a death ball with a mothership?" - Idra | ||
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Pootytang
United States37 Posts
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:30 Linwelin wrote: Did some people really thought it was gonna be a civil Avilo vs Idra argument on balance? Apparently. So much hate for SotG. Everyone knew it was coming. Obvious. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:31 Integra wrote: I couldn't follow with Avilos logic to be fully honest, Avilo would talk in the most general terms possible, no specifics at all, IdrA would respond and Avilo would respond with " so you agree with me" and then go on with something totally different than what IdrA said. It hard as hell getting any kind of context. This. Avilo at the end was making absolutely no sense and was barely even understanding what Idra was saying. If he was actually giving a decent debate, then maybe i would feel some more sympathy for him. But in the end there, his logic was so flawed and he wasn't even listening to what Idra was saying and just kept repeating "so you agree with me." | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:34 sekritzzz wrote: Yea this is what baffles me the most..... that idra thinks hes much better or relevant than avilo when it comes to sc2 talent.... Idra is a PR guy. This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol. | ||
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Atlas247
Canada318 Posts
Don't give me "the chat wanted to bring him on". JP didn't have to actually bring him on, all of hosts are more informed than the chat on Avilo's background. Avilo should never have been brought on period, and it could have gone much better than it did. All in all i feel bad for the guy, he gets invited onto a popular show basically to get shit on. | ||
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architecture
United States643 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:34 ysnake wrote: Avilo was trying to make a point, but he wanted to say too many things at the same time and it came out weird, his idea was good, but didn't put it out the way he should. IdrA being IdrA of course, so, he just shitted on him because he did not want to respond to his arguments rather than just sticking to his arguments that Avilo tried to prove why they are "kind-of" wrong. The reality is avilo doesn't really know shit. But then again neither does Idra, nor anyway sitting on that show. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
PS: Thanks QXC for coming on the show and making sense, even if you have to hold back. | ||
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TheZanthex
United States144 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:34 XingYuen wrote: JP is the Jerry Springer of the Starcraft community. SOTG is only a fraction of intelligent conversation EVER so not sure why people were surprised about it. The ONLY reason that guy was brought on was because JP knew Idra would trash talk him, there was a 0% chance it would be a worthwhile discussion and that was known ahead of time. That's just a fact about the show, if you're watching SOTG for rational balance debate you're very very misplaced. I thought the IdrA and QXC debate was pretty good. Both were rational and had good responses. But yeah, the Avilo thing was inevitable, and a waste of time, imo. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:34 Shiori wrote: Idra saying foreign Terrans suck compared to Korean Terrans...when he sucks compared to foreign Zergs as well. What's the relevance? Koreans aren't exactly doing well; hell, most of them have said in interviews that the matchup is imbalanced. and yet they win? | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote: avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:33 urashimakt wrote: Idra going ad hom, Avilo going strawman, no one really tried to debate except QXC. What can you take away from that? Putting words in someone else's mouth so you can agree with them is not being rational. this escalated after idra constantly interrupts and ad-hominem attacks. Idra pretty much directed the debate to head this way | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
Stop listening to a vocal minority on twitch chat, or if you absolutely have to invite avilo in for entertainment purposes, don't be a fucking beta about it and boot him off mid-sentence because IdrA got massively flustered. Ugh. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:35 blade55555 wrote: This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol. Tough shit. The difference is nothing. To paraphrase Idra himself, being king of the special class isn't a big deal, and Idra would have a hard time even making prince as of late. | ||
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