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On June 29 2012 11:39 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:38 sekritzzz wrote:On June 29 2012 11:35 blade55555 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:34 sekritzzz wrote:On June 29 2012 11:31 ][Primarch][ wrote:
and since when did a terrible player such as Idra start telling terrans how to play? That is retarded, dude should learn to play zerg and then get back. Yea this is what baffles me the most..... that idra thinks hes much better or relevant than avilo when it comes to sc2 talent.... Idra is a PR guy. This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol. My point was that they are both as irrelavent in terms of skills in the sc2 scene currently. Idra's win rate is at 26% or something ridiculous so really its not his place to lecture other people about how bad they are. been awhile since i checked, but whats QXC's win rate recently? he seems to be incredibly intelligent and able to discuss tvz.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1596&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2012&from_month=1&from_day=1&to_year=2012&to_month=6&to_day=27&action=Update
44.05%
yeah, he is really smart.
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On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously. Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain.
Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that.
You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ?
"Use your brain" lol.
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On June 29 2012 11:39 boomudead1 wrote:
why did they bring avilo up and then shut him in the middle of the discussion. theres no point debating TvZ if players dont show respect. doesnt seem like if they were going to agree on a point then whats the point of bringing avilo up?
JP did it to please the chat honestly.
You could see that Idra REALLY didnt want it to happen.
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On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha...... - avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through. - the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end. with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine. avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable. you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra?
2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite Champion
2011 IEM Guangzhou Champion
2011 MLG NA Invitational Champion
2011 IeSF NA Qualifiers Champion
2011 IPL 1 Champion
2010 MLG DC Champion
....... yeah man, NO RESULTS.
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On June 29 2012 11:41 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously. Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain. Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that. You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ? "Use your brain" lol.
I've seen you being salty about terran and a lot of things in this thread, so yea, i might have used the wrong words sorry.
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Well the qxc/IdrA discussion was really good and I got a few ideas to try on the ladder.
The rest, well... kind of funny, then just uncomfortable.
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On June 29 2012 11:41 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:39 boomudead1 wrote:
why did they bring avilo up and then shut him in the middle of the discussion. theres no point debating TvZ if players dont show respect. doesnt seem like if they were going to agree on a point then whats the point of bringing avilo up? JP did it to please the chat honestly. You could see that Idra REALLY didnt want it to happen.
jesus christ, first rule of the internet, dont look at the chat lol
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On June 29 2012 11:40 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:39 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 29 2012 11:38 sekritzzz wrote:On June 29 2012 11:35 blade55555 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:34 sekritzzz wrote:On June 29 2012 11:31 ][Primarch][ wrote:
and since when did a terrible player such as Idra start telling terrans how to play? That is retarded, dude should learn to play zerg and then get back. Yea this is what baffles me the most..... that idra thinks hes much better or relevant than avilo when it comes to sc2 talent.... Idra is a PR guy. This year his results have been bad yes, but he actually has results (which were obviously 8 months or so ago now) but still a lot more results then Avilo. He has a few tournament wins in big lan tournaments that again Avilo doesn't have. The difference between them is quiet big lol. My point was that they are both as irrelavent in terms of skills in the sc2 scene currently. Idra's win rate is at 26% or something ridiculous so really its not his place to lecture other people about how bad they are. been awhile since i checked, but whats QXC's win rate recently? he seems to be incredibly intelligent and able to discuss tvz. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1596&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2012&from_month=1&from_day=1&to_year=2012&to_month=6&to_day=27&action=Update 44.05% yeah, he is really smart.
i did not know you can do TLPD on a set time frame. thats pretty cool. thanks!
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At first I thought the community was bad with drama and giving unnecessary flak to certain players, but to see it from these so called "representatives" of eSports is a little disappointing. JP invites Avilo on to show purely to create drama and not for any productive reasons to further the development of the game, which is what the show should be about, discussions about the state of the game. I'm not a fan of Avilo, but to verbally insult someone and then kick them off the show before they even finish their point is just rather disgusting to see. Avilo didn't even personally attack any of the show hosts but when QXC explains Avilo's arguments, everyone listens objectively. This just shows that they didn't even care about what Avilo even had to say, and all they wanted to do was create drama and look down on players who have legitimately dedicated their time to this game. "You're bad and what you say doesn't matter." And then JP tries to say he did it for the better of the show...? Why bother inviting someone if you already know what's going to happen. The very thing that these hosts advocate, which is how much shit the community shouldn't give to people to start drama, they're doing it themselves.
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So Avilo made absolutely no sense and was debating poorly, and the SotG guys acted like douchebags. Can't we all just agree on that?
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On June 29 2012 11:38 chipmonklord17 wrote:
so anyone else thinking that the "pre announcement of an announcment" was him going to korea? Wasn't that happening?
EDIT: I think incontrol not being able to tell if he was going to be around on the 4th makes me think it more
If he is not casting Code A I don't see the point for this anymore. He clearly realises that he frankly can't compete at the very high end and is rightfully shifting towards casting etc..
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On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.
Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.
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On June 29 2012 11:41 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously. Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain. Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that. You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ? "Use your brain" lol.
hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Can't believe what I just heard. Regardless of what Avilo was saying, these supposed 'pillars' of the community are classless. Who invites a guest on after berating him, then is rude to him, then boots him from the show with no warning. No shout-outs or 'goodbyes' either, like have been afforded other guests either. It felt like bullying, which is pathetic.
JP, part of your job as host is to moderate discussion. If your balance discussion strategy is to boot the person Idra is cursing at then you need to reevaluate. If anything, you needed to tell Idra to be respectful or shut-up.
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On June 29 2012 11:42 MilesTeg wrote:
So Avilo made absolutely no sense and was debating poorly, and the SotG guys acted like douchebags. Can't we all just agree on that?
Yes. But there's actually people in this thread that think Avilo was making good points...
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On June 29 2012 11:41 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:39 boomudead1 wrote:
why did they bring avilo up and then shut him in the middle of the discussion. theres no point debating TvZ if players dont show respect. doesnt seem like if they were going to agree on a point then whats the point of bringing avilo up? JP did it to please the chat honestly. You could see that Idra REALLY didnt want it to happen.
It wasn't to please chat, it was to troll that kid and get a rage reaction out of Greg which was guaranteed because he thought for some reason that would be entertaining to the viewers. Anyone could see that. It was a farce from the get go.
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On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show. Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.
you've been bashing Idra in the past 5 pages as often as you can, please just stop.
I also like how you think he cares about the opinion of 1 random person over the internet.
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On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show. Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.
Typical European response lol.
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Best SOTG in forever. The QXC/Idra "Great Debate" was great for you "mature adults," but the Avilo/Idra "Hang up on him, I'm not going to talk to him anymore" clusterfuck was hilarious the entire way through. Right up to where Avilo tried to twist Idra's point about letting the Zerg get too far in economy for his own side, and Idra shut him down in the form of JP hanging up.
Perfection. Thank you so much. Made my night. Everyone joking and laughing up to, and after Avilo really lent the podcast a more old school feel that, now that I've seen it again, I realize I miss. Keep it up!
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On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha...... - avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through. - the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end. with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine. avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable. you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra?
Comparing Idra to Jinro is just retarded... Compared to Jinro Idra can actually be considered consistant, rofl. Jinro's last blaze of glory was start of 2011(unless Iforget something), while Idra's last blaze of glory was a really good run at Orlando, and winning IEM Guangzhou and ASUS ROG which was over half a year after Jinro had anything to boast of whatsoever(Again, unless I am forgetting somethingabout Jinro)
TL;DR Comparing Idra to Jinro resultswise is fucking retarded
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