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Soooo, are the VODs out :D? As I understand, seems like that episode provided his fair share of drama. Looking forward to it ;D
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Sotg just hit an all time low... What is Qxc and NonY doing on a show like this... They deserve better
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On June 29 2012 11:48 Arkansassy wrote:
It's apparent now that the only reason Incontrol wanted to call avilo was so they could ridicule him. He even started before avilo got on. Avilo had some pertinent points to make and they continually cut him off and were down right rude, but I didn't expect anything else from them.
That picture they put up was avilo when he was 13 and that, too, was just put there to make fun of him. Nice going guys!
Idra said: "i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.
@Idra, how can you lie when people were actually watching? Avilo never once raised his voice and he said, "I agree with what Idra said about..." and tried to explain, but your hatred didn't hear that.so you told him to STFU. Very mature of you.
All of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
does anyone doubt that this is the sole reason they brought him on? to ridicule him? of course thats why they brought him on, and silly him if he thought otherwise.
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On June 29 2012 11:50 Anfield wrote:
Boys, bring out the pitchforks. It's time to message some sponsors
I think you are right here, WE as a community don't need to tolerate this kind of behavior!
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Why the hell did JP bring on Avilo in the first place. The guy can't debate properly, he can't communicate what he thinks, and he apparently can't comprehend what other people tells him so he just makes shit up.
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On June 29 2012 11:47 andReslic wrote:
JP and IdrA are retards for doing shit like that, never watching this bullshit again.
It's not like it's going to be like that again, mistakes happen. He knows it was bad for the viewership, and it would've been worse should he have stayed longer on Skype. It was all around pretty awkward with Idra and all.
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On June 29 2012 11:48 LaM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show. I don't think that is how most people viewed the conversation. To be honest, the credibility you have for serious balance debate in this community is also fairly low. Backing it up with that kind of tone isn't doing anybody any favors. Avilo talked over you once. It's an offense, but a fairly common one in arguments. Well before he did that, you were already calling him "fucking bad" every time you got an opportunity to speak. I'm not sure you can claim the behavioral high ground here.
But you need to understand that IdrA didn't want to talk to avilo at all, was forced into the situation, and doesn't even like avilo...at the end, you could see IdrA just mad and wanted to end it. It was abrupt and not very nice, but I think dragging it out would've done more damage.
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I am completely fine if SOTG wants to be a show about 4-6 pros talking about Starcraft and joking around and shooting the shit. That's what it started as, and that is what people found entertaining. I certainly find it entertaining. But as incontrol used to talk about, if it wants to take the responsibility of being in the spotlight(i'm thinking back to the destiny issues back in the day) and produce a mature and professional product, i think that what happened in that interview was a step in the wrong direction.
Not pointing fingers, JP was being pressured by chat and the thread(obviously what people say here has some impact, contrary to most of what you think), Incontrol was trying to be entertaining, Idra was doing what he always does and just saying what is on his mind, but what ended up happening was immature and something to avoid in the future.
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On June 29 2012 11:48 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:42 bokchoi wrote:On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha...... - avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through. - the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end. with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine. avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable. you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra? 2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite Champion 2011 IEM Guangzhou Champion 2011 MLG NA Invitational Champion 2011 IeSF NA Qualifiers Champion 2011 IPL 1 Champion 2010 MLG DC Champion ....... yeah man, NO RESULTS. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA/Resultssome tourney you listed are not competitive (8 players invite, etc). Idra has been so behind he might as well be fallen off the map. A complete shame given how many people trusted him 8 player invitationals are not competitive...what?
Most of them aren't, people are handed the spot and they just show up mostly as good will and PR
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Everyone bashing EG/IdrA because IdrA talked some shit to Avilo is ridiculous. IdrA stated before Avilo came on the show that it was a bad idea. IdrA warned and JP brought him on. Not to mention the chat was going crazy to do so so it's no ones fault.
IdrA has no results is LOLFUNNY.
Also he did state you can't head on fight queens with hellions but you need to run around them. Watch the show and pay attention before making assumptions you have no idea of.
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On June 29 2012 11:50 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:50 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 11:48 Arkansassy wrote:
It's apparent now that the only reason Incontrol wanted to call avilo was so they could ridicule him. He even started before avilo got on. Avilo had some pertinent points to make and they continually cut him off and were down right rude, but I didn't expect anything else from them.
That picture they put up was avilo when he was 13 and that, too, was just put there to make fun of him. Nice going guys!
Idra said: "i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.
@Idra, how can you lie when people were actually watching? Avilo never once raised his voice and he said, "I agree with what Idra said about..." and tried to explain, but your hatred didn't hear that.so you told him to STFU. Very mature of you.
All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh look its someone making up shit for fun. JP put the picture up, he asked avilo if its actually him or not because he had no idea. How can you purposefully pick a picture that is bad of someone if you're not sure its them in the first place? Stop makin stuff up thanks man. Not sure if serious. It's pretty obvious that JP knew who it was.
Don't speak in memes please, its really bad.
JP specifically said he didn't know if it was actually him or not and even asked avilo.
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Idra calling someone terrible? Pot calling the kettle black?
Seriously, I wish Idra wasn't famous for everything except his gaming, because he'd be long gone and forgotten if his SC2 skills determined his fame.
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Idra's credibility on a discussion of balance ... exists?
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On June 29 2012 11:51 Sain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:50 Anfield wrote:
Boys, bring out the pitchforks. It's time to message some sponsors I think you are right here, WE as a community don't need to tolerate this kind of behavior!
I emailed EG. I don't email sponsors because it's stupid, but EG definitely needs to hear about it.
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I really enjoyed the QXC/Idra debate, the point that QXC made about zergs not having a standard to try and work your build around was something very interesting and does make a lot of sense.
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I don't blame Idra at all, he clearly didn't want to talk to avilo, if you're in the position of having someone brought on a show to debate with you who you not only dislike but also think is an 'imbecile' there is no way you're going to react well to it, it's entirely JP and Incontrol's fault for bringing avilo on knowing full well (and probably because) they knew it would get this sort of reaction out of Idra.
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On June 29 2012 11:50 Anfield wrote:
Boys, bring out the pitchforks. It's time to message some sponsors
Don't listen to this fool.
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On June 29 2012 11:50 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:50 PanN wrote:On June 29 2012 11:48 Arkansassy wrote:
It's apparent now that the only reason Incontrol wanted to call avilo was so they could ridicule him. He even started before avilo got on. Avilo had some pertinent points to make and they continually cut him off and were down right rude, but I didn't expect anything else from them.
That picture they put up was avilo when he was 13 and that, too, was just put there to make fun of him. Nice going guys!
Idra said: "i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.
@Idra, how can you lie when people were actually watching? Avilo never once raised his voice and he said, "I agree with what Idra said about..." and tried to explain, but your hatred didn't hear that.so you told him to STFU. Very mature of you.
All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh look its someone making up shit for fun. JP put the picture up, he asked avilo if its actually him or not because he had no idea. How can you purposefully pick a picture that is bad of someone if you're not sure its them in the first place? Stop makin stuff up thanks man. Not sure if serious. It's pretty obvious that JP knew who it was.
because JP keeps pictures of Avilo on his PC
You've been bashing Idra and EG all thread, please just stop.
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On June 29 2012 11:52 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:51 Sain wrote:On June 29 2012 11:50 Anfield wrote:
Boys, bring out the pitchforks. It's time to message some sponsors I think you are right here, WE as a community don't need to tolerate this kind of behavior! I emailed EG. I don't email sponsors because it's stupid, but EG definitely needs to hear about it.
can we see what you wrote them? curious.
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On June 29 2012 11:48 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:42 bokchoi wrote:On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha...... - avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through. - the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end. with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine. avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable. you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra? 2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite Champion 2011 IEM Guangzhou Champion 2011 MLG NA Invitational Champion 2011 IeSF NA Qualifiers Champion 2011 IPL 1 Champion 2010 MLG DC Champion ....... yeah man, NO RESULTS. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA/Resultssome tourney you listed are not competitive (8 players invite, etc). Idra has been so behind he might as well be fallen off the map. A complete shame given how many people trusted him 8 player invitationals are not competitive...what?
Much less so than open events.
Also keep in mind how many tournaments Idra has participated in. Probably far more than anybody else in SC2. So he has no right to be as arrogant as he is.
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