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Great! looks like we can get some thoughts from you guys on the KeSPA/Blizz/OGN/GOM talks and potentially a combined SC2 PL.
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Where's DayJ at yo?
He's never on the show anymoar T_T
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Man, they have nothing to talk about tommorrow. 
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Oh my god so many things have happened they need to talk about that I've forgotten half of them
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i was already planning on waking up at 8am but to catch the NFL draft FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Y U HAVE IT ON AT THE SAME TIME
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Good Luck tomorrow with SOTG guys there's only about 36 insanely awesome topics to talk about hope u dont run out of material............... :0
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They should talk about how blizzard should release their biggest major patch already coz I'm tired of waiting. (0_x)
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On April 26 2012 15:26 ChriS-X wrote:
i was already planning on waking up at 8am but to catch the NFL draft FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Y U HAVE IT ON AT THE SAME TIME
dude watch both. not like you need to listen to the draft. they are all wrong anyways
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On April 26 2012 18:29 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 15:26 ChriS-X wrote:
i was already planning on waking up at 8am but to catch the NFL draft FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Y U HAVE IT ON AT THE SAME TIME dude watch both. not like you need to listen to the draft. they are all wrong anyways
i think my internet will die if i try to stream both at the same time ><
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On April 26 2012 01:04 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:27 HansK wrote:On April 25 2012 09:10 flowSthead wrote:On April 25 2012 05:27 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 25 2012 04:30 Leth0 wrote:On April 25 2012 04:21 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 25 2012 04:01 Leth0 wrote:
Guess I'm not a 'fan of sc2' since I enjoy watching an enthusiastic crowd, I enjoy watching 'white boys' do well. I'm not petty enough to waste time worrying 'mlg was better than DH , or DH was better than MLG' because I enjoyed both from what I watched of each tournament.
I don't understand where someone (especially someone whose job depends on us watching you 'white boys') gets off talking down to us as if our opinions on what we enjoy somehow make us less intelligent or 'wrong'. Insulting. You've provided a very poor description of what I said and what my opinions are because you are fucking stupid. There. That's insulting. I wont lower myself to petty insults. Stay classy tyler. + Show Spoiler +The post I was responding to has real insults. It was a courtesy for me to say something only petty. You can enjoy more than one thing. And you very likely don't enjoy any two things exactly equally. You may be incapable or uninterested in perceiving the differences, but they're there. Viewing a tournament has dozens of aspects that each person likes to a different extent. Just because you get your jollies by watching white players win tournaments to the sound of a roaring crowd does not mean that you don't also like SC2. What I say is that the aspect of a tournament I care about the most is the quality of the games. That is, I care about the game itself. A bunch of idiots have argued semantics and want to claim a phrase or word as their own for who knows what fucking reason. So if you think SC2, the name of the game, includes things like tournaments and progamers and crowds and commentators and overlays and whether or not a tournament is PPV, then know that that's not what I mean by caring about only the game itself. I really don't give a shit what phrase or word we use to describe it but I think we all know the distinction by now. I know that other people do not rank game quality the highest. I pointed out some other aspects that I don't give a shit about (but I know other people do) so that people could understand how I could strongly prefer an event like MLG Arena without falling back to this MLG favoritism bullshit. I even noted I'm in the minority. I just want people to understand me  What you should have gathered by now is that these aspects and how much we like them are relative. We've determined they're all on the positive side of the spectrum (or at worst, neutral for some people) so we know that ideally we want to maximize each aspect. We want the best crowd, the highest quality games and stream, the greatest variety of players, etc. But resources are limited and tournaments must choose to focus and prioritize one aspect over another. This creates a variety of events. Some people will prefer some over others (but enjoy both). Giving a thumbs up to a tournament is minimally useful feedback. Expressing detailed preferences and elaborating on the strengths and weaknesses of each aspect of the tournament is much more useful. If you want to give a thumbs up to both, that's great. That's more than what most people do. But if you don't see the use in people saying what they enjoy more, then fuck off. If you don't understand something, then don't say anything unless you're humbly seeking help to understand. You say you don't understand why I "get off" talking down to people like an elitist laughing at everyone else's interests. Perhaps you don't understand it because that isn't an accurate fucking picture. Do you even question for a second why you don't understand something? You observe something and come up with some stupid interpretation. Then you publicly express your interpretation, which defames someone involved, and your confusion. You deserve to be called out for that shit. Sarcastically saying "stay classy" is far from a classy way to express your disapproval. If the irony wasn't intentional, then you're fucking stupid. And if it was intentional, being ironic is fucking stupid anyway. Tyler I don't disagree with anything you've said necessarily, but there is something to be said for the way you express yourself. Whether you meant to or not, your first two quotes are ripe for the interpretation that there are different types of fans, and you are a more "real" fan. Here are the quotes: On April 23 2012 21:58 Liquid`NonY wrote:
MLG's games were far better than DH's. Having fpview was a nice perk too. Of course, I happen to be a fan of SC2. I know a lot of people in the community are bigger fans of white people and shots of people clapping and cheering. On April 23 2012 22:12 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 23 2012 22:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 Liquid`NonY wrote:
MLG's games were far better than DH's. Having fpview was a nice perk too. Of course, I happen to be a fan of SC2. I know a lot of people in the community are bigger fans of white people and shots of people clapping and cheering. By this standards IPL 4 is the best event that there ever was. Sorry but a tournament is also about the mood and production value. I'm not denying that other people have other interests. I pointed some of them out. But a tournament isn't about anything really. There's a competition going on and it can be presented in any number of ways that prioritize different interests. Mood and production value are important to a lot of people. My two biggest priorities are game quality (best players in the world playing interesting games) and stream quality (clear video and audio). So for me, MLG was far better. I've just observed that if you have a lot of white people in your tournament and you have a lot of people clapping and cheering on the stream, then that makes a lot of people in the community very happy. Of course, these things are not SC2. So I'm stuck in the minority of people who are fans of SC2. "I'm stuck in the minority of people who are fans of SC2." At this point, I understand exactly what you mean. You mean that SC2 is the program and the corresponding actions of two players playing a multiplayer game. From a viewer's perspective this also often includes an observer. Everything else, including banners, and crowds, and commentators, etc. are superfluous to the actual game because they do not change the outcome of the game nor do they have a direct effect on what happens in the game (although as we all know a crowd can have an indirect effect). That's fine. But that isn't what you said. As someone who has taken philosophy, and as a frequent forum poster, you should know that it is necessary to define your terms especially among people that do not have the same terms as you. What you say in these quotes doesn't contradict what you say later, but I think had you clarified in your initial posts, you wouldn't have needed to add anything later. Separately, I would also argue that different people have different definitions of what SC2 is. As in the big quote I spoilered, I know you have already realized this, but I am surprised that you didn't think of it initially. I think it is almost a cliche at this point to talk about how for many Americans baseball isn't just a bunch of players on a diamond throwing and hitting a ball with a stick, but also being part of a crowd and eating hot dogs during the summer. I think you are familiar with the idea that there is ownership in being a fan and a viewer. Whether or not that ownership is legitimate, it often stems from the spectacle of the sport, not the actual game itself. Thus, it directly leads to having ownership over the spectacle as well. It becomes not just "Idra/Huk/Nestea/MVP is the best/the worst/a time traveler that created everything" but also "MLG/DH/Homestory is the best/the worst." People talk about their experiences being at a live event, of feeling the energy of the crowd and of having fond memories of "being there" when X player managed to something amazing, or heartbreakingly failed to do something amazing. When you said that you are in the minority of fans of SC2, you attacked a lot of people's notions of what it means to be a fan and the things they like about the community and the culture of the sport. Now, I understand that that isn't what you meant to do. But getting angry at them for misunderstanding you isn't helping, and frankly you should have defined your terms earlier. At this point we all understand each other (I hope), but the initial kerfuffle happened because of a lack of rigor on your part. So in conclusion, I lost 3.14 respect points for you. You owe me a pie (I like apple and peach). It's almost like you think it is unreasonable to define Star craft II as the actual video game it's self and not crowds, color of peoples skin, or music. It's perfectly clear what he means and he should not have to explain or "define your terms" as you say something like this unless several people show zero capability of comprehending something so basic, and when they did he explained further. It's perfectly reasonable to refer to Starcraft II as the game it's self and not color of skins, crowds, music etc and only the actual video game it's self and it's even more clear what he means by the context of what he posted. If anyone takes what he said and conjures it to their own taste to make their argument better or to justify their anger at the post is just wrong and unreasonable. I never said any of the things you think I said. I wasn't talking about myself, I was speaking in generalities, and I perfectly well find it reasonable to define SC2 as the actual game itself. I also do not think it is basic, as I argued in my entire post. If you want to argue against what I said you can, but you are basically ignoring my examples and arguments, looking at my conclusions and saying "Nuh uh, that's not true." You think it is clear, I do not and a lot of other people do not think it was clear either. You are also essentially calling me and other people idiots because we did not understand what he initially said. That's pretty arrogant of you. I have nothing else to say except maybe you should try not to assume that everyone has the same understanding as you. We all come from different backgrounds and words mean different things to different people. And as has been pointed out, this discussion wasn't begun in the context of the video game, but in the context of tournaments, in which case it is perfectly reasonable to assume that some people will interpret SC2 as the spectacle.
I never called anyone idiots, you only implied it your self once again conjuring something to favor your own argument that does not exist. I accepted some or even a large amount of people might not understand what it meant, but I was saying that it's very reasonable for some one to refer to the game alone Starcraft II by the.. well name alone. To even further reinforce his post the context of which he said it seemed perfectly clear what he meant to me and most likely to him and he probably did not think of the possibility that a overwhelming number of people would not know what he meant.
How ever, when that issue came along he very clearly explained what he really meant[that starcraft II meant.. starcraft II -.-] and that seems perfectly fine and something that is not unreasonable or rude at all.
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If there's anything that can make Day9 unloved in the SC2 community, it's him not doing SotG.
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No Day or NonY, but still a really sick line up this time. SOTG gogo!!
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Awesome line-up, looking forward to it.
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holy shit at that lineup. but im not going to be able to watch it live. =(
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Very good lineup! to bad day9 isn't there or nony. Day9 seems not to have time for SOTG anymore. never on the show. But hey they have much to do. just hope the come back soon
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I was so looking forward to nony's thoughts on all the crazy things going on in sc right now, but this lineup is pretty damn good as well.
Come back soon nony!
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love the line up but 6 is kind of a lot of people. Even when they have the normal 5 one person tends not to talk a lot.
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Yay idra  . Should be a good show :D
no day9/nony does suck though 
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oh god, the show should be great tonight. Sooooo much to talk about, the two weaker pillars are gone and we get Idra, Thorzain, and DJWheat. Gonna be sweet :D
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Can't wait! Lots to talk about tonight and great special guests!
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