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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On November 11 2010 03:57 StarCraft64 wrote: Pretty sure they prefer "Native American." LOL, Indian as in from the country INDIA, not Indian as in Red Indian. On topic : Every time I listen to Day[9] on SotG, I seem to love him even more...what an awesome guy. | ||
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Malhorn
United States148 Posts
On November 10 2010 18:31 Monzterg wrote: Regarding the tournament theory. I agree somewhat with Taylor but I think there is a point missing. I dont think a tournament bracket is supposed to create a ranking. If you want to create a ranking and really bring forth the best player over time you HAVE to run a series/league! When you run a tournament, its about excitement and the MOMENT. Its about ceasing the moment and bringing excitement and tention to an audiance. So when you get to a point in a tournament, its about that moment and who you are outside of that moment and what has happend earlier should be insignificant. The only thing that should matter is this moment right now and then its about ceasing this moment. Thats a tournament. Taylor's way of thinking would be more fair and correct in theory if you're trying to determine who's been better during the time of the tournament. But then again what's the tournament all about? I dont agree with Taylor in that it should be a way of as fairly as possible determine who's better then who. When you're at the finals I want it to be about who can do better IN THE FINALS because the finals is different from the quarterfinals. Also a Tournament can never be fair because you're geting to play 1 out of 16 players in the round of 16 and the eight moving on will be very dependant on who's playing who and will be very different if you swich the matches around. Liquid`Tyler: Hi Liquid`Tyler: It's Tyler edit: Great work as per usual guys. Always entertaining! | ||
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ytter
Denmark17 Posts
1) the finish chemist (1:30 ) 2) fluffy the sleepy chinese guy - who does not talk much ( 6:44 ) 3) iloveyou the protossplayer who build his own computer ( 21:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OT12li06qs&feature=channel ) | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
On November 11 2010 03:57 StarCraft64 wrote: Pretty sure they prefer "Native American." Really? Ofc you would know, what with my being from India and all I prob don't know shit! | ||
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blizzind
United States642 Posts
On November 11 2010 03:57 StarCraft64 wrote: Pretty sure they prefer "Native American." lol wat | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
Tyler: yeah, man I don't know why but that part was fucking hilarious ... the way tyler answered it... | ||
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
Great podcast as always.  | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On November 11 2010 03:57 StarCraft64 wrote: Pretty sure they prefer "Native American." LOL. Hilarious first post. Although something tells me it wasn't intentional. But yeah, that part bugged me a little, just because it took away a little bit from a hilarious inc rant. Blame Columbus I guess. Either that or incontrol's pitiful knowledge of obscure Indian mythological figures. Totally inexcusable on his part. | ||
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Malhorn
United States148 Posts
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randplaty
205 Posts
Merely because determining the best player from one tournament is impossible, does not mean that the tournament does not even try. The tournament should still try to make the winner = the best player even if that goal is impossible. Their argument is "because it is impossible, we shouldn't try." Day9's argument is just that mathematically it is not likely that the winner will be the best player. Tyler is absolutely correct in saying that a tournament should try to determine the best player. If it is not to determine the best player, we might as well play the lottery to determine the winner. Whether or not extended series does this is still in question, but that should be the question. Does extended series help to determine the best player within the context of a double elimination tournament. There are mathematical ways to calculate this and determine this. It is not impossible to figure out if extended series helps determine the best player or not. I have not read any of any studies that studied extended series in a tournament format, but there are papers that are written about tournament formats and which tournament formats. This study http://www.cerge-ei.cz/pdf/wp/Wp303.pdf shows that the round robin tournament format is the best at determining the best player but requires the most time and resources. Second is double elimination, and the worst is a single elimination or "contest" format. So studies have been done and can be done to mathematically figure out which is the best tournament format and any discussion about tournament format that does not include this mathematical analysis is incomplete. | ||
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NoXious90
United Kingdom160 Posts
On November 11 2010 04:08 dizzy101 wrote: No. This is what I said: The current system is the best way to APPROXIMATE a ranking among the competitors, without having to play an insane number of games. In that case let me slightly re-word my question, are you satisfied then that jinro and TTOne are approximately, generally speaking, roughly the best two players in North America? From the tournament results that occurred, can a legitimate and 'approximate' ranking, which lists the participants in terms of superiority, be drawn up and used as a guiding light in these dark times? Did the competition played over the course of last weekend provide sufficient information from which purposeful - absolute, approximate or otherwise - inferences can be made? | ||
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ffdestiny
United States773 Posts
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
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ThatsNoMoon
Mexico344 Posts
People in the subway were staring... Loved it guys, awesome work!! | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On November 11 2010 04:27 randplaty wrote: Whether or not extended series does this is still in question, but that should be the question. Does extended series help to determine the best player within the context of a double elimination tournament. There are mathematical ways to calculate this and determine this. It is not impossible to figure out if extended series helps determine the best player or not. I have not read any of any studies that studied extended series in a tournament format, but there are papers that are written about tournament formats and which tournament formats. Yeah I'm not aware of any conclusions on extended series either. My intuition tells me that they are an improvement but I know math can be tricksier than hobbitses sometimes. Thanks for the post | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On November 11 2010 02:57 NoXious90 wrote: so, let me ask you this (because this is what my point boils down to), what do you think the majority of people would enjoy more as a spectacle, a grand final featuring two players who have to play a Bo7 to decide the winner, where the score starts out at 0-0 or a grand final featuring two players where one player goes into the match with a two game advantage? I know which one would be more exciting for me personally. as far as football goes, yes, you're correct that many round robin/knockout tournaments use an aggregate scoring format fairly similar to the one used at mlg, however, this is never ever used in the final match, not in the uefa cup, champions league or any other major tournament of that nature. This is because it would risk severely diluting the spectacle of the grand final, where the two best teams are supposed to play off in an epic match to decide the ultimate winner. Having this aggregate rule in place dampens the luster of the final match. see: idra vs select, ttone vs jinro for evidence of this. I can say from experience that watching a team come into a match and win after being swept in their prior match is fucking amazing to watch. It can go the other way too, where it is over quickly and isn't too exciting. Guess what? that happens no matter wtf the setup is(GSL 1 final?) The finals were not what people are making it out to be, it was actually shaping up to be a pretty good game then bnet shut off. Of course watching one game that lasted ten minutes after a two hour wait is not satisfying, but that was not the bracket's fault, it was bnets. People are throwing away the idea that people watch the tournaments to see who is the best. Great games come from the best and you want the best matchup at the end. This bracket provides the best setup for the best two players to play at the end. That is what I want to watch. Again, there is reasoning behind them not playing a final over multiple days in the champions league or w/e, and that reason is not applicable to starcraft. In Starcraft the extended series can be played in one location at one time, in a reasonable amount of time. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 11 2010 04:03 btlyger wrote: Geoff Frazier. Props to anyone who knows who that is. Does he still work for Blizzard? That's the first time I saw Jeff as Geoff and I thought it was pronounced that way as well. :> | ||
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aNDRoM
United States637 Posts
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Mereel
Germany895 Posts
so on the liveon3 show everyone bitched over him with autism and whatnot, idra said he is retarded ( i thought there are friends?) and now on the sotg show nony bitched over him and later on incontrol too. so is that all trolling or what.....i dont really understand whats going on | ||
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