EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1988
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UnholyRai
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
If you get given money would you do more than play video-gamz with 4 out of 4000 people once a week? If you got given money would you improve the show in anyway whatsoever? Would you up the quality of production? Would you start using a better system than, "Gee Willikers, I hope Skype doesn't suck balls this week!" however much I love to pretend I enjoy listening to Artosis go Optimus Prime on us and watching JP playing with overlays for 15 minutes at a time, I don't. Would you being given money make the show more professional? Because if you're being given money to do this that's what it has to be. No more claiming 'Oh I didn't even read it let's move along" I didn't even care about the PPSL incident but in the future you won't be able to hide behind, "I'm not calling these people out because I know them" as you will be pretty much literally the only podcasters being paid by the viewers in the entire world outside the Ricky Gervais podcasts. And 5 dollars a month is slightly more than they were asking for for podcasts from two international award winning writers. Oh and Smodcast (although that's paid by people attending live events) but once again, award winning Hollywood writer and friends versus mid level starcraft pros and a couple of casters. I'm not trying to be harsh in any of this, just that the jump from paying nothing as I do with the huge range of podcasts I listen to, from amateur productions with a guy speaking into a mic in his bedroom about French Hip-Hop to actual shows like RadioLab or This American Life which has them travelling the country for an interesting story and is incredibly produced and mixed to paying 5 bucks a month is an absolutely HUGE jump and needs to be justly rewarded. I know this is voluntary. I'm just pointing out what I'd look for if a subscription service were to be announced. | ||
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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
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EvOr
France48 Posts
As I said 20+ pages earlier when JP first asked, I'd much prefer a donation/merchandising way to give you money than a subscriber thing. I'm willing to give money or buy t-shirt or cups, but I don't want to subscribe to SoTG if you don't do something _really_ interesting for the subscribers. I don't even know what you can do now than you guys don't do already, that's why I think a subscriber thing is not very interesting. Call me an hypocrite or just a dumb guy, but if I subscribe to twitch.tv/sotg I want to get rewarded with premium content or I will be a sad consumer  , on the other hand I will not mind to donate money or to just buy mechandising stuff (and participate in the crashing of thehandsomenerd).Now, if you come to the topic and explain that's a way to support both twich and sotg I might reconsider but from what I understand it's not the case. | ||
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:08 EvOr wrote: @FreudianTrip: The skype part si so uncalled for, there is no other affordable options Probably, I'm always cranky when I wake up. Apologies. | ||
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ajdoj14
United States32 Posts
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
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kikimama
Korea (South)297 Posts
TL;DR: If you're not going to donate, don't be a dick and post why you are not. That's why it's called a donation or optional subscription. I'd suggest they let people donate as little or as much as they want. If some want to donate a dollar for every show they watch then that should be possible. If they want to donate $1000 for the year, why is that not an option? Also, IMO it'd be better to have the Q/A at the end be live callers because the show pretty much covers most of the important subjects and sometimes they are asked again in the twitter questions. This way it will be more dynamic and have a more involved feel just like the last episode from last year. Perhaps only subscribers can call in. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 13 2012 13:28 coolcor wrote: Hey I don't mind you guys getting sponsors and optional subscriptions go ahead and do that but I wanted to ask some questions. Why is this post so negative on the current stability of sc2 esports are all the tournaments losing money and soon to go out of business if things don't get much better? Why is people directly spending lots more money on esports the only hope to make things stable? Is there no hope for increased viewership resulting in more money from sponsors commercials and direct payments naturally increasing with viewership? Didn't viewership increase and make records in 2011? Even if you get people to buy enough stuff to support all the tournaments don't you still run the risk of them losing interest and stop buying stuff making sc2 forever not stable like most entertainment or businesses that have not been proven to last for decades already? Even broodwar in korea is falling after 10 years and who knows if an sc2 switch can save the industry. Nothing is stable because sponsors need to see ROI(return on investment). Esports has not has shining results in the past and sponsors are always looking for better places to spend their money. It is not enough that SotG gets 20 K viewers, those viewers also have to be willing to buy something from the sponsor. Several team managers have stated it is harder to keep a sponsor than to get one. Many people just assume the SC2 will just keep on going because they see huge numbers at MGL, Dream Hack and huge numbers on the streams. And that is fine, the evidence shows that 2011 was a huge year. But we can assume with little risk because we do not depend on the income from SC2 and sponsors. People like JP and the hosts do not have that luxury. They need to hit the pavement and work hard to assure that the money keeps flowinig and that they can keep content comming out that we enjoy. That means getting income where they can. JP is doing this the best way he knows how, by asking the community directly. And frankly, its a really good plan. We have proven that SC2 fans love to support the game and be as directly involved if possible. JP also wants to be indpendant as possible, so they can provide the reporting on events at the level and honesty that they want. The best way to be independant is to be supported directly by the people who read and listen you. NPR has been doing it for years and even if you don't agree with some of their reporting, it is always high quality. In the end, it all comes down to trust. Do you trust the guys on SotG to spend your money well and provide you with what you want? If so, sign up and write a check. If your worried they will spend the money on lottery tickets and booze, don't give any and enjoy the show for free. | ||
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itmeJP
United States1101 Posts
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bigAL
United States49 Posts
Im going through major withdrawals. Thank you for doing what you do JP!!! | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
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SeraKuDA
Canada343 Posts
On January 13 2012 14:01 ChuCky.Ca wrote: of course they do there professionals all the hosts obviously got together and discussed what time works for all of them man you really know how to get under someones skin Ive never gotten ticked off like this on a forum in years congrats After reading your post I opened up the quote.... Why are you getting so irritated? He makes good points, as do you. It's all good speculation. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:03 Kar98 wrote: Very unfortunately . All the winging I hear about how $10 is so much money is just sad. I don't care if you're in college, $10 is less than an hour of workthen you wont mind paying everyone elses sub then | ||
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Achilles17
United States111 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:59 Plansix wrote: Nothing is stable because sponsors need to see ROI(return on investment). Esports has not has shining results in the past and sponsors are always looking for better places to spend their money. It is not enough that SotG gets 20 K viewers, those viewers also have to be willing to buy something from the sponsor. Several team managers have stated it is harder to keep a sponsor than to get one. Many people just assume the SC2 will just keep on going because they see huge numbers at MGL, Dream Hack and huge numbers on the streams. And that is fine, the evidence shows that 2011 was a huge year. But we can assume with little risk because we do not depend on the income from SC2 and sponsors. People like JP and the hosts do not have that luxury. They need to hit the pavement and work hard to assure that the money keeps flowinig and that they can keep content comming out that we enjoy. That means getting income where they can. JP is doing this the best way he knows how, by asking the community directly. And frankly, its a really good plan. We have proven that SC2 fans love to support the game and be as directly involved if possible. JP also wants to be indpendant as possible, so they can provide the reporting on events at the level and honesty that they want. The best way to be independant is to be supported directly by the people who read and listen you. NPR has been doing it for years and even if you don't agree with some of their reporting, it is always high quality. In the end, it all comes down to trust. Do you trust the guys on SotG to spend your money well and provide you with what you want? If so, sign up and write a check. If your worried they will spend the money on lottery tickets and booze, don't give any and enjoy the show for free. Finally someone who knows what they're talking about. | ||
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tsuxiit
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kikimama
Korea (South)297 Posts
On January 15 2012 04:52 tsuxiit wrote: So wait...I know you said you aren't taking anything away from people who don't subscribe (and I will subscribe, I'll say that so no one throws pitchforks at me), but the post on the SotG blog says that being a subscriber allows "access to the chat." I really think that the stream chat should be an open "everyone in the community" type of thing. Even if it's full of trolls and dumb shit, predominantly from people who don't subscribe, having everyone be able to talk in there is a historical type of thing that I've always liked to see everyone participate in. I really hope you don't make the chat subscriber only. You just made the case against yourself. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On January 15 2012 04:52 tsuxiit wrote: So wait...I know you said you aren't taking anything away from people who don't subscribe (and I will subscribe, I'll say that so no one throws pitchforks at me), but the post on the SotG blog says that being a subscriber allows "access to the chat." I really think that the stream chat should be an open "everyone in the community" type of thing. Even if it's full of trolls and dumb shit, predominantly from people who don't subscribe, having everyone be able to talk in there is a historical type of thing that I've always liked to see everyone participate in. I really hope you don't make the chat subscriber only. I couldn't disagree more. Any time you get a big stream chat going, it's inevitably so full of trolls and idiots that it's no longer worth participating in or even looking at. I'm absolutely for the implementation of something that heavily restricts access to the chat in order to clean it up a bit, and I doubt I'll even bother being one of the people who subscribes. The only other solution would be to hire like 20 mods, and good luck getting hold of that many random people that are not only trustworthy enough to to the job right, but also available every time the show is on. | ||
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Parsistamon
United States390 Posts
The main obstacle to this is that the only pro players you have are protoss. Though Artosis and Day[9] can certainly bring something unique to the table, I think it would be best to include a zerg and terran player as well. To this end, I think it'd be cool if there was a section of the show (give it a name) dedicated to strategy where you invite two such players just for that part of the show. Perhaps another way to do it would be to pick a certain strategy in a certain match-up and try to pick apart what makes it strong/weak with representatives from each race. Regardless of the approach, I think you get the idea--more strategy, less gossip. | ||
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JackDragon
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