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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
November 07 2010 10:22 GMT
#3621
why the hell was kulas allowed in the map pool anyway?

Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
November 07 2010 10:37 GMT
#3622
On November 07 2010 19:22 Subversion wrote:
why the hell was kulas allowed in the map pool anyway?



It was justified that playrs have a lot experience on DO and Kulas, which is true. Also the map pool was decided long time ago appereantly and they just didn't change it
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
November 07 2010 11:38 GMT
#3623
On November 07 2010 19:37 Piski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 19:22 Subversion wrote:
why the hell was kulas allowed in the map pool anyway?



It was justified that playrs have a lot experience on DO and Kulas, which is true. Also the map pool was decided long time ago appereantly and they just didn't change it


Yeah they have experience on it... but none of them have played on it for like over a month.

and a lot of shit in sc2 shifts in a month. that seems pretty poor to me, they really should have adapted the map pool, its not difficult.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
November 07 2010 12:49 GMT
#3624
I think that Nony vs PainUser by itself justifies the reason that it was in the map pool. That game was great.
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
November 07 2010 12:55 GMT
#3625
On November 07 2010 21:49 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I think that Nony vs PainUser by itself justifies the reason that it was in the map pool. That game was great.


I think Desert Oasis is more justified (see Jinro vs Socke). Kulas Ravine was taken away of the map pool for a good reason, the map is retarded (IdrA had no chance to win, even if he knew that Nazgul was going blink stalker, it's just too powerfull on Kulas).
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
November 07 2010 13:26 GMT
#3626
On November 06 2010 02:52 Dont Panic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 01:32 teko wrote:
On November 05 2010 15:39 Gotmog wrote:
I have a question, in last ep. Day9 said that Tyler has great practicing habits unlike other players.
That he plays with the idea what he should practice, and not some new BO or something. I found myself in that, if i want to "practice" i just go ladder, or try to smooth out BO vs Ai.

What exactly does he mean ? What is he practicing for example ?


It's kinda similar like what qxc said in his interview:

QXC: My schedule and activities emphasize efficiency and minimalism. I do exactly what is required and nothing more, and I do it in the most efficient manner possible.

http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/319136/The-Terror-of-the-Terrans-MLG-Interviews-QXC

I don't believe qxc's and tylers are the same. QXC was saying he plays custom games because ladder has a chance of getting somebody that wont be a challenge to you. He wants to play vs someone who has atleast a 50% chance of beating him.

Tyler on the other hand does things individually. For example if he wants to work out timings on a build he can play versus a computer because the point isn't beat another person, but to get a solid build without distractions. I do the same thing right now. I was working this past week on getting my mechanics up so i played that multitasking trainer which boosted my effective apm by 40. If i were to do that on ladder the early game isnt really that challenging and i can't pull all my effort into mechanics without losing.

This is just my interpretation, teeler if im wrong call me out :D

You are my hero btw handsometoss!


I think you are right. I am also using Trainer for last few days, any other ideas for practice ?
I am a macro zerg so i don't really have timing atacks to work on...
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
November 07 2010 13:48 GMT
#3627
On November 07 2010 21:55 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 21:49 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I think that Nony vs PainUser by itself justifies the reason that it was in the map pool. That game was great.


I think Desert Oasis is more justified (see Jinro vs Socke). Kulas Ravine was taken away of the map pool for a good reason, the map is retarded (IdrA had no chance to win, even if he knew that Nazgul was going blink stalker, it's just too powerfull on Kulas).


At least Kulas is like any other map, ever. Desert Oasis makes for 'good' games because it is so weird that it's almost impossible to have a standard game on it. Which is not a good thing for players.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a dumbass move keeping them in the map pool. They're out for a reason, might as well have a tournament in the 1.1.1 version of the game...
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
November 07 2010 13:52 GMT
#3628
so is there going to be a mlg minicast or something ?
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
November 07 2010 13:59 GMT
#3629
On November 07 2010 12:27 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Jp says he is too tired. We will do one tomorrow


I'm sure we all expected this. Try and keep JP from saying their will be a cast every night of every event you guys go to...since everyone but him seems to know that will never happen.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
Astromonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United States111 Posts
November 07 2010 14:54 GMT
#3630
On November 07 2010 17:25 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Dear iNcontrol,

Why are people so retarded and take everything you say and blow it out of proportion?
Please don't change, I probably wouldn't listen to the Podcast if you weren't on it. No Offense JP/Day9/ and tyler is too chill to care

-AoNe

THIS. InControl is hilarious, I will be very disappointed if the haters get to him.
InteGrated
Profile Joined November 2010
United States259 Posts
November 07 2010 15:08 GMT
#3631
Definitely agree, incontrol is the reason i watch this show or at least wait every week for it.
Sean is too nice of a person, (doesnt want to say any mean stuff because he doesnt want his image to be hurt) aka his image is marketable.
-JP is just the host so obviously the same
-tyler is really calm and chill and another reason i watch it.


keep going incontrol! your overall just honest remarks and sometimes really cool answers keep me waiting every week. usually i just browse these forums but i made an account just to give you a positive comment. Btw i was happy to see both incontrol/machine do well this tourney. they definitely have worked hard and it was nice to see it pay off.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
November 07 2010 15:12 GMT
#3632
On November 07 2010 22:48 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 21:55 Roggay wrote:
On November 07 2010 21:49 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I think that Nony vs PainUser by itself justifies the reason that it was in the map pool. That game was great.


I think Desert Oasis is more justified (see Jinro vs Socke). Kulas Ravine was taken away of the map pool for a good reason, the map is retarded (IdrA had no chance to win, even if he knew that Nazgul was going blink stalker, it's just too powerfull on Kulas).


At least Kulas is like any other map, ever. Desert Oasis makes for 'good' games because it is so weird that it's almost impossible to have a standard game on it. Which is not a good thing for players.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a dumbass move keeping them in the map pool. They're out for a reason, might as well have a tournament in the 1.1.1 version of the game...


Yeah, just because DO or Kulas get one good match every 10 played that doesn't involve heavy map abuse leading to an easy win, doesn't make them good maps.

There can be a 100% flat, perfect square map, and it could have an epic game as well..
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
November 07 2010 15:13 GMT
#3633
On November 07 2010 20:38 Subversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 19:37 Piski wrote:
On November 07 2010 19:22 Subversion wrote:
why the hell was kulas allowed in the map pool anyway?



It was justified that playrs have a lot experience on DO and Kulas, which is true. Also the map pool was decided long time ago appereantly and they just didn't change it


Yeah they have experience on it... but none of them have played on it for like over a month.


Assuming that they ONLY ladder...

The MLG map pool is no secret to anyone. They knew to practice on kulas/do which is why people picked them.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
November 07 2010 17:04 GMT
#3634
yeah incontrol u are hilarious. never change
capgrass
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1 Post
November 07 2010 17:33 GMT
#3635
On November 06 2010 02:40 islorens wrote:
[image loading]

It's a tricky question.


I feel like a celebrity philosopher now :D
If Artosis says something in the forest and there's nobody around to hear it is he still wrong?
KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
November 07 2010 17:40 GMT
#3636
^LOL
still have a half hour or so to listen to, but last weeks cast was awesome. hopefully a mini cast tonight =]
Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1
deanx
Profile Joined April 2010
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 19:20:32
November 07 2010 19:16 GMT
#3637
Maybe idra should have won the first game on the pre selected map so that he would get to pick the map for game 3. Get off nazgul's jock, his stalker micro was awesome and idra didn't have a build prepared to counter a 4gate even though the push came later than usual because of the blink tech.

Edit: MLG operates as a season comprised of events such as raleigh, DC, and dallas(national championship/end of season). Next season, hopefully the maps will update and there will be changes to tournament rules(continuation games in the lower bracket). Keeping the same map pool and rules across the entire season is important as it validates their ranking system, etc.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 19:21:41
November 07 2010 19:20 GMT
#3638
On November 08 2010 04:16 deanx wrote:
Maybe idra should have won the first game on the pre selected map so that he would get to pick the map for game 3. Get off nazgul's jock, his stalker micro was awesome and idra didn't have a build prepared to counter a 4gate even though the push came later than usual because of the blink tech.



Idra definitely played poorly on metalopolis. He absolutely could have won that game if he didn't suicide everything next to the wolf statue.

Kulas shouldn't have been in the map pool though. DO probably should have been replaced as well, but Kulas is MUCH more imbalanced. DO is just crappy to play on. Can't blame Nazgul for doing an anti idra strategy well or for picking a map that he had every right to pick.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 19:22:48
November 07 2010 19:22 GMT
#3639
On November 08 2010 04:20 Bosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:16 deanx wrote:
Maybe idra should have won the first game on the pre selected map so that he would get to pick the map for game 3. Get off nazgul's jock, his stalker micro was awesome and idra didn't have a build prepared to counter a 4gate even though the push came later than usual because of the blink tech.



Idra definitely played poorly on metalopolis. He absolutely could have won that game if he didn't suicide everything next to the wolf statue.

Kulas shouldn't have been in the map pool though. DO probably should have been replaced as well, but Kulas is MUCH more imbalanced. DO is just crappy to play on.


Yeah on both games he lost he didn't make good decisions. 1st game engaging where he did was stupid and the worst place to engage but he did for whatever reason which cost him game 1. Game 3 I think moving out was a mistake should have waited for roach speed or something but oh well his fault


Can't wait for the podcast later today assuming there is one
When I think of something else, something will go here
ZXRP
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa114 Posts
November 07 2010 19:52 GMT
#3640
I heard that wheat and slasher are gonna do a cast after the tourney. Will this be on djwheat.tv?
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the Universe - Carl Sagan
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