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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On November 11 2011 09:26 Hall0wed wrote: Terran still 50% of Top 16. There are 3 races. You do the math. Code S RO32: 16% Protoss 59% Terran 25% Zerg RO16: 31.25% Protoss 50% Terran 18.75% Zerg So yes, there are still more Terran than there are of the other two races, but that is because of the legacy saturation from previous seasons. Fact remains that Terrans in Code S is decreasing. | ||
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LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:12 ELA wrote: You realize that the whole "x lost his passion!1" is a joke right? He does now. There is no doubt JP is a great host. The only bad things Ive heard about him is his casting, which, even he admits needs some polish. But yeah Im glad we got a re-schedule for today :-) Edit: to the above post. OMG ZERG UNDERPOWERED. This next patch better be all about us! | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:14 Tektos wrote: Code S RO32: 16% Protoss 59% Terran 25% Zerg RO16: 31.25% Protoss 50% Terran 18.75% Zerg So yes, there are still more Terran than there are of the other two races, but that is because of the legacy saturation from previous seasons. Fact remains that Terrans in Code S is decreasing. Well, there's something that people are neglecting here: those terrans who fall out of code S go down to code A, but might just play their way right back into code S in the same season. Until the season ends and we see what next season's brackets are going to look like, we can't know who fell out and who moved up, due to the new format. | ||
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:14 Tektos wrote: Code S RO32: 16% Protoss 59% Terran 25% Zerg RO16: 31.25% Protoss 50% Terran 18.75% Zerg So yes, there are still more Terran than there are of the other two races, but that is because of the legacy saturation from previous seasons. Fact remains that Terrans in Code S is decreasing. The terrans falling are mediocre and don't deserve code S anyway. It's still going to be proportionally too many terran next season | ||
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Spessi
304 Posts
- that said, im very happy to have JP again tonight. Also, I hope they talk about Gus I hope they talk about MLG providence bracket preview. i hope they have an interesting strategy section. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:42 happyness wrote: The terrans falling are mediocre and don't deserve code S anyway. It's still going to be proportionally too many terran next season and i guess your proportion for good amount of terrans = 0 right?  | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:58 Capped wrote: and i guess your proportion for good amount of terrans = 0 right? I guess it is >< Who is saying that there is too much protoss in code A ? No one, but it's still the truth. Code A is the code S of protoss. Then now when some terrans are finally falling from code S, you see posts like this Well, there's something that people are neglecting here: those terrans who fall out of code S go down to code A, but might just play their way right back into code S in the same season. Until the season ends and we see what next season's brackets are going to look like, we can't know who fell out and who moved up, due to the new format. or this The terrans falling are mediocre and don't deserve code S anyway. It's still going to be proportionally too many terran next season which could have been made in the other way when protoss were falling. Despite what I wrote I think there is too much terrans in code S, I'm just pointing the absurd discussions. People are using the same arguments now that they fought 1 month ago when the races were reversed. It seems people are lobbying for a race, keeping logic out of the way. Same business in balance discussions. | ||
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actionbastrd
Congo598 Posts
On November 11 2011 11:04 MrCon wrote: I guess it is >< Who is saying that there is too much protoss in code A ? No one, but it's still the truth. Code A is the code S of protoss. Then now when some terrans are finally falling from code S, you see posts like this or this which could have been made in the other way when protoss were falling. Despite what I wrote I think there is too much terrans in code S, I'm just pointing the absurd discussions. People are using the same arguments now that they fought 1 month ago when the races were reversed. It seems people are lobbying for a race, keeping logic out of the way. Same business in balance discussions. I agree totally, but the second quote is correct :-/ we wont know until the season is over with the new format since if you fall out of Code S now its totally different than before. Some terrans might drop to B in 1 season, some might stay S, some might go to code A. You actually dont know the total distribution of races in code S till the end of the season... especially with this new format. If you want to just look at who advanced thats fine but what he said was accurate :-/ Or the first quote, w/e you know what one im talking about lol. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:42 happyness wrote: The terrans falling are mediocre and don't deserve code S anyway. It's still going to be proportionally too many terran next season so if we can throw out "bad" terrans and say they moving down doesnt count we can also say that bomber, mvp mma are better than any protoss player that plays the game at the moment, so they dont count in the list of who stays up. you can caveat the list however you want. the point is that with a format change the terran dominance is ending without any major patch changes. the game clearly needs more time before imbalance whine based on gsl holds much weight | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On November 11 2011 09:26 Hall0wed wrote: Terran still 50% of Top 16. There are 3 races. You do the math. What maths do you expect me to do? If every terran lost every single non-mirror matchup until the balance of players in Code S is 33/33/33%, is that balanced? No, Clearly the XvT matchup favours X. In a perfectly balanced scenario, on average the amount of players of each race will stay EXACTLY THE SAME as it was previously. If more protoss and zerg suddenly appear in code s, that's because the non-code-s p and z are winning more games than the non-code-s terrans, which is either because they're better players or the race is "better". I'm not trying to say anything other than terran still being an overwhelming factor isn't a sign that terran is still an "easier" or "better" race, rather, it's a sign that previously there were a lot of terrans so those guys have a reasonable chance of staying around in the top of the leagues, all other things being equal. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On November 11 2011 11:09 actionbastrd wrote: I agree totally, but the second quote is correct :-/ we wont know until the season is over with the new format since if you fall out of Code S now its totally different than before. Some terrans might drop to B in 1 season, some might stay S, some might go to code A. You actually dont know the total distribution of races in code S till the end of the season... especially with this new format. If you want to just look at who advanced thats fine but what he said was accurate :-/ Or the first quote, w/e you know what one im talking about lol. Yep, I agree with the second part of the quote, I was talking about this. "The terrans falling are mediocre and don't deserve code S anyway." I'm sure the guy who wrote that would argue with me if I said "The protoss falling are mediocre and don't deserve code S anyway.". Which was a common argument some time ago. | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:14 Tektos wrote: Code S RO32: 16% Protoss 59% Terran 25% Zerg RO16: 31.25% Protoss 50% Terran 18.75% Zerg So yes, there are still more Terran than there are of the other two races, but that is because of the legacy saturation from previous seasons. Fact remains that Terrans in Code S is decreasing. It still genuinely amazes and fascinates me that people don't understand that the Ro32 of the GSL is determined by previous seasons. There are more terrans in the Ro16 because there were more terrans in the Ro32. There were more terrans in the Ro32 because in seasons past terran was dominating and the wonky format meant that it was incredibly difficult for them ever to drop down to Code A. Almost no matter what, there were going to be more terrans than z or p in the Ro16. It's real fucking simple. :/ | ||
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imEnex
Canada500 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On November 11 2011 11:48 imEnex wrote: Terran in Code S is decreasing, thats good! Pretty much this. | ||
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Nvar
Denmark150 Posts
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On November 11 2011 11:13 MrCon wrote: Yep, I agree with the second part of the quote, I was talking about this. "The terrans falling are mediocre and don't deserve code S anyway." I'm sure the guy who wrote that would argue with me if I said "The protoss falling are mediocre and don't deserve code S anyway.". Which was a common argument some time ago. No I would say that some of the protoss who fell were mediocre (HongUn, Genius, Tester). But the fact is while they left a lot of not so good terran were able to hold on because frankly terran was and probably is better. Call it imbalance or the meta game it doesn't matter, the fact is is that terran has been objectively better than toss (at the highest level) the last few months and mediocre terrans were able to hold on. It will probably now shift a little, but terran dominance will probably continue for a couple more seasons at least. On November 11 2011 12:02 Nvar wrote: My friend said SotG shoud go live around now. Any idea if this is correct? Nope starts in a 1.5 hours | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:05 Rexking wrote: Well i think last SOTG was pretty bad without JP. Ppl might say he lost his passion, but he knows how to conduct a good show. I think husky will be a great addition, specially if day9 is there too tonight. They mix pretty well. I found incontrol to be an extremely competent host and enjoyed the change of pace. | ||
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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
On November 11 2011 12:02 Nvar wrote: My friend said SotG shoud go live around now. Any idea if this is correct? No, you have to wait another hour and a half.... I'm sorry but I have to state this. Before posting, can't you just take a glance over to the right bar and see for yourself something that says 1h 28m SOTG: EP56? I mean, I don't want to offend you or anything, but why don't you just look over? | ||
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