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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:26 HallBregg wrote: SoTG really needs to get a Terran host to balance all that terran hate that appears in every episode. Oh my god, not again. | ||
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Humility
United Kingdom19 Posts
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:26 HallBregg wrote: SoTG really needs to get a Terran host to balance all that terran hate that appears in every episode. More like Blizzard needs to hire a Zerg or Protoss player so all the Terran imbalanced stuff can get stopped | ||
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Honner
United Kingdom65 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:13 TheAngryZergling wrote: Will I lose much of the entertainment value for the new episode if I listen to the mp3? I'd wait for the vod if there is much humor reliant on the video (aside from the dogs), but otherwise I just want to enjoy the show asap. I generally prefer the vods - was too impatient waiting for it this time though and didn't feel I was missing out on much while listening to the mp3. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
also whats with this hate about the shredder bieing some imba unit? i'm pretty sure the only thing that it counters is mutas and zerglings for zerg, and for toss zealots... i think everything else in the game outranges it's wave... had this knowledge been brought up we may have been able to get 30 more minutes of actually knoweldgable feedback from the pro's instead of wastefull bashing on this unit. but none the less in enjoyed the show and thought tyler, artosis, and especially destiny's feedback was really great, but i honestly like incontrol and watch his stream a lot but from this show in perticular it just makes him look less knowledgable than i think he actually is and more of just a terran bashing troll. i really agree with destiny and artosis's answer about players switching over to hots as well because the money is in the wol tournaments, i think it's going to be a while before the top level players switch to hots. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
Gogo Temporal Raptor that attacks your natural before you start building it and the only way to prevent that is to pre-emptively fungal/storm the nearby areas before you start building the natural.  Or maybe it eliminates some tech structure in the past causing some of your units to disappear in the current timeline. And the only way to detect it is to watch the replay lol. | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:21 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: so i just listened to the whole mp3... does incontrol like anything from hots? i feel like artosis makes really good points about these small changes that reward skilled high apm players and incontrol just bashes it without any thought. I mean I personally think artosis is a pretty smart commentator/analyser of the game and puts thought into his sentences and made a lot of sense with his analysis of a lot of the new changes while i can't remember one thing incontrol actually liked. also whats with this hate about the shredder bieing some imba unit? i'm pretty sure the only thing that it counters is mutas and zerglings for zerg, and for toss zealots... i think everything else in the game outranges it's wave... had this knowledge been brought up we may have been able to get 30 more minutes of actually knoweldgable feedback from the pro's instead of wastefull bashing on this unit. but none the less in enjoyed the show and thought tyler, artosis, and especially destiny's feedback was really great, but i honestly like incontrol and watch his stream a lot but from this show in perticular it just makes him look less knowledgable than i think he actually is and more of just a terran bashing troll. i really agree with destiny and artosis's answer about players switching over to hots as well because the money is in the wol tournaments, i think it's going to be a while before the top level players switch to hots. Incontrol actually did like some of the units and Artosis even won him over on another one (I forget which one). But really? That is how you're going to start your post. :/ | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:21 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: so i just listened to the whole mp3... does incontrol like anything from hots? i feel like artosis makes really good points about these small changes that reward skilled high apm players and incontrol just bashes it without any thought. I mean I personally think artosis is a pretty smart commentator/analyser of the game and puts thought into his sentences and made a lot of sense with his analysis of a lot of the new changes while i can't remember one thing incontrol actually liked. also whats with this hate about the shredder bieing some imba unit? i'm pretty sure the only thing that it counters is mutas and zerglings for zerg, and for toss zealots... i think everything else in the game outranges it's wave... had this knowledge been brought up we may have been able to get 30 more minutes of actually knoweldgable feedback from the pro's instead of wastefull bashing on this unit. but none the less in enjoyed the show and thought tyler, artosis, and especially destiny's feedback was really great, but i honestly like incontrol and watch his stream a lot but from this show in perticular it just makes him look less knowledgable than i think he actually is and more of just a terran bashing troll. i really agree with destiny and artosis's answer about players switching over to hots as well because the money is in the wol tournaments, i think it's going to be a while before the top level players switch to hots. Because it basically discourages multitasking (ling runbys).. personally I don't think there should be another unit that helps Terran to turtle | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:35 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Because it basically discourages multitasking (ling runbys).. personally I don't think there should be another unit that helps Terran to turtle If you're playing mech as terran, zerg can't really fight you head on, so they've got to do runbys, since your push is too powerful. If you've got a bunch of shredders at key locations, either they can't do the runby at all, or it gets slowed down a fuck ton from having to kill the shredders first. Either way, it's a massive advantage for the mech player to have this unit, I"m not sure it's OP but it's definitely going to be powerful. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:33 Shelke14 wrote: Incontrol actually did like some of the units and Artosis even won him over on another one (I forget which one). But really? That is how you're going to start your post. :/ i'm glad he won him over on the oracle i think that unit has a lot of potential, and i'm actually an incontrol fan and enjoy his play and commentary and well thought opinions, however i just felt that in this episode what we got out of incontrol is a lot of trolling toward terrans, when even destiny stated he thought that terrans got sort of shafted with these units. i don't necisarrily agree that terrans got shafted, but just the trolling toward terrans generated mainly by incontrol just seemed really off topic and without much understanding of how these units work, and that's not necissarily his fault, but just the fault of no terran player with knowledge of the units being on the show i guess. but i just felt that to be the case and more so coming from incontrol than everyone else. i think understanding the idea behind these changes are the most important not the numbers at this stage and just trolling about how op something is isn't really entertaining or usefull. | ||
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ZeGzoR
Sweden307 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:37 Whitewing wrote: If you're playing mech as terran, zerg can't really fight you head on, so they've got to do runbys, since your push is too powerful. If you've got a bunch of shredders at key locations, either they can't do the runby at all, or it gets slowed down a fuck ton from having to kill the shredders first. Either way, it's a massive advantage for the mech player to have this unit, I"m not sure it's OP but it's definitely going to be powerful. But now you got Charging Ultras, the viper that can make siege tanks useless if not moved or positioned correctly. | ||
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Neb1000
United States183 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I personally think incontrol is looking at it in the wrong way entirely. I see enormous potential for Blizzard to goof up on the Protoss units especially, and of course they will err on the side of weakness. I don't see units that scream 'stable' and 'easily balanced'. I see units that will vacillate from op to worthless very quickly. The void ray is the poster child of the Protoss race in this regard. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:35 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Because it basically discourages multitasking (ling runbys).. personally I don't think there should be another unit that helps Terran to turtle i understand that and i wish that was brought up instead of negatively bashing on it as a unit that will just be super imba that will kill anything that attacks it, no... because in reality if there is a shredder protecting a ling run by location. its simple, you send 1 roach down to attack it. what happens? the shredder either dies, lifts up and runs, or an army comes to reinforce the shredder shutting it off and the roach dies. i really think the main idea behind the shredder and why it was introduced, was to help mech shine in a tvp aspect as warp in is just so powerfull, but we'll just have to see. but again this wasn't brought up because there is no terran player on the show who knows these things to bring them up | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
btw, shredder isn't that useful as many of you think. A ton of units outranges it, and practically worthless against Protoss. It also severely cuts into your siege tank production that you desperately need against zerg | ||
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sdecker32
United States38 Posts
We have to wait to see how everythign fits together/synergizes before we can talk about balance. Arbitrarily inserting a new unit theoretically into current game play is not a productive approach. | ||
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vanhio
Niue1017 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Keep up the good work and invite Destiny to the podcast more often imo. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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