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Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 20:16:48
October 05 2011 20:16 GMT
#33161
--- Nuked ---
Radook
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden326 Posts
October 05 2011 20:17 GMT
#33162
Guess MLG trying to find away to make people pay to get the show fast so stalling a few days the next couple of weeks are a good way to get some extra $ out of people.

Just hope that most of the money goes to the cast of the show and not JP and MLG.

Sad to see that a show that I felt was just for the fans without trying to make money gone this way.
Woop Woop!
Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
October 05 2011 20:17 GMT
#33163
On October 06 2011 05:13 monXikk wrote:
I think JP adds subtitles/lector to the mp3 and VOD since WhiteRa was on the show, thats why it take that long.

If you cant understand whiteraisms, then you are not worthy of SOTG anyway.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
October 05 2011 20:19 GMT
#33164
omg no love for europe
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themoo_
Profile Joined June 2011
Iceland54 Posts
October 05 2011 20:19 GMT
#33165
wheres the mp3 yo
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
October 05 2011 20:24 GMT
#33166
On October 06 2011 05:17 Radook wrote:
Guess MLG trying to find away to make people pay to get the show fast so stalling a few days the next couple of weeks are a good way to get some extra $ out of people.

Just hope that most of the money goes to the cast of the show and not JP and MLG.

Sad to see that a show that I felt was just for the fans without trying to make money gone this way.

Keep it coming, this is comedy!

Not saying I like waiting, but some of the complaints are going to far.
This is our town, scrub
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
October 05 2011 20:27 GMT
#33167
On October 06 2011 05:01 MVBasten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 02:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Sure, lots of things changed after poker came on TV. It didn't just become more popular. We talked about it. Some people are wary of going on TV because, even if SC2 does become more popular, there may also be bad effects, like the average fan becoming less knowledgeable or the average person respecting us less.

I think you may have misplaced the word "only" and it makes a huge difference. So assuming you were trying to say that we said that poker being televised was the only necessary condition for its popularity, then I think you misunderstood us. We expressed that poker being televised played a key role for its boom. The way the presentation of the game was directed was new. Cameras were placed to detect the contents of hidden cards so the viewer had all the information. Chance to win the hand displayed as a simple percentage immediately gave the audience information that previously took specialized knowledge and practice to calculate on the fly. And the basic rules of the game were explained multiple times a broadcast.

Another key factor was poker's emergence in the online gaming world. Played physically, poker is considered too inconvenient and slow by many. Online poker made the game significantly easier to play than ever before. These two key factors fed off each other, as budding poker players wanted to watch the pros and spectators wanted to give the game a try. Of course, SC2 already has this so it was not worth mentioning. Though it's fair to concede that online poker was more convenient since its software was free and had low system requirements.

I believe you understand the similarities and differences between multiple necessary conditions and a single necessary condition. And I'm sure you understand that in complicated real world scenarios, it's often impossible to prove that any part was necessary. The imagination can usually convince us that it could have happened in an entirely different way. So identifying a necessary condition is very difficult. The best we can usually do is look at the situation and reason about which factors, when removed, would have made that specific situation fail. I think it's safe to say that poker's new style of televised content was one such factor for its boom. We didn't mean to make any more ambitious claim than that. But it very well could be that that was the only way it could have happened at that time. So it's similarly ambitious to deny that going on TV wasn't the only necessary condition. It's best to leave such claims alone as we shouldn't pretend or aspire to have such certainty.


This adds a lot of important facts to the poker boom that wasn't mentioned before. However let me also just add that there were many (more) factors to the poker boom, and it was actually an explosion that built up over several years. I would say that the the poker boom actually started to take shape in the end of the 90s, with online poker and the movie Rounders (1998). This movie was a big recruitment tool for poker in the young male demographic, cause it unlike previous 'poker movies' really captured a big part of the intrigue of the life and mindset of a poker player (at that time). Fast forward several years and Moneymaker won the World Series of Poker. Although it was an important factor of the poker boom, it probably gets too much credit, while others are undeservedly rarely mentioned.

I can assure people that 'the poker boom' and 'the Sc2 boom' are very different situations, and getting Sc2 on TV is in no way a guaranteed path to the mainstream, or even to give a significant boost to the current growth. In the end it will all be down to execution, both in terms of production choices and how willing the TV channel is willing to be flexible to make it work. I'm more than a little skeptical of the potential Sc2 and TV relationship, but I'll try to remain optimistic about it. I believe in the intelligence of many of the movers and shakers of this community, and the experience some of them have gained through the years of trial and error e-sports have gone through.


I have never ever heard of that movie, but i remember clearly that me and most of my friends first learned about texas hold'em from watching it on TV. From there on we played it at school and regularly in get-togethers with friends, introducing it ourselves to other people, so from my POV it is undeniable that the WSOP broadcast was the main reason it boomed. sure my point of view is incomplete but from my perspective and from many others's that's how it looks. and even if online poker existed before it was shown on tv, it wasn't until it got really popular that online poker really boomed, poker sites got most of their exposure by hosting tournaments to compete for a spot at the WOSP and stuff.

as for sc2, who knows? but unless it happens we can't know the effect. maybe it will be null or maybe it will explode.
Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
October 05 2011 20:31 GMT
#33168
Gief VOD
In life you can obtain all sorts of material wealth, but the real treasure is the epic feelings you get while doing something you love.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
October 05 2011 20:34 GMT
#33169
You guys getting up-in-arms over a late podcast truly are a new breed of internet creature. This display over the past few pages is a new low for me, and I've seen some shit.
#TeamBuLba
Bulkers
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland509 Posts
October 05 2011 20:35 GMT
#33170
JP should really take Blizzard strategy if it comes to release dates ect. Always say "soon™" or "when its done™" instead of:

"audio portion of @StateOfTheGame will be up tomorrow when i wake up -- too tired to edit it tonight -- VOD within 24 hours"
twitted 14h ago

Anyways its interesting that "#$^@ Slasher" 1h long show is on MLG.tv 3h after show and 2,5h SotG needs few days...Anyways im looking forward to see another post/twitter from JP saying that encoding went wrong ect.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 05 2011 20:40 GMT
#33171
On October 06 2011 05:35 Bulkers wrote:
JP should really take Blizzard strategy if it comes to release dates ect. Always say "soon™" or "when its done™" instead of:

"audio portion of @StateOfTheGame will be up tomorrow when i wake up -- too tired to edit it tonight -- VOD within 24 hours"
twitted 14h ago

Anyways its interesting that "#$^@ Slasher" 1h long show is on MLG.tv 3h after show and 2,5h SotG needs few days...Anyways im looking forward to see another post/twitter from JP saying that encoding went wrong ect.


#$^@ Slasher is recorded at MLG's office, from my understanding. StoG is recorded in JP's appartment as far as I can tell. I beleive the raw file last time was 97 gigs, from what JP said. I don't know why he cant just instantly transport that massive file(or series of files) to the office and compile it while he works. Also, editing takes time, assuming there are no errors.

Our free podcast is comming as fast as the person can find time to make the free pod cast with all their other commitments. You know, like sleep and consuming food.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Bulkers
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 20:43:06
October 05 2011 20:42 GMT
#33172
Yep those guys are so poor
yummi
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland48 Posts
October 05 2011 20:42 GMT
#33173
On October 06 2011 05:19 themoo_ wrote:
wheres the mp3 yo

+1

User was warned for this post
h0neyBadger
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 20:43:55
October 05 2011 20:43 GMT
#33174
State of the game is like pussy, the longer you are without it the lower your standards get, then you start posting shit in desperation.. but on the flip side when you get some state of the game, it will be that much more satisfying .
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 05 2011 20:44 GMT
#33175
I don't get why people are getting mad at MLG for wanting to make money off of SOTG? It's just business as usual...
liftlift > tsm
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
October 05 2011 20:45 GMT
#33176
SotG is better than pussy, but I aint gettin neither.
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Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
October 05 2011 20:52 GMT
#33177
On October 06 2011 05:43 h0neyBadger wrote:
State of the game is like pussy, the longer you are without it the lower your standards get, then you start posting shit in desperation.. but on the flip side when you get some state of the game, it will be that much more satisfying .


Atleast there are VODs on pussies

Jokes aside, I am so stoked to hear Whitera on the show. I hope there was some Tyler-Whitera dialogue about PvP.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
October 05 2011 20:54 GMT
#33178
I think most people only have a problem when JP sets a date and yet fails to deliver. Yeah, I know the show is free and he is a busy man, but don't make promises you can't fulfill. It's only annoying the fans. Just say something like "in a few days" or something less specific.
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
October 05 2011 20:58 GMT
#33179
just got off phone with comcast for the past 3 hours (no internet) so now ive started editing the mp3 portion of the show calm down nerds

Jps twitter
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
October 05 2011 20:59 GMT
#33180
On October 06 2011 05:54 ilikeredheads wrote:
I think most people only have a problem when JP sets a date and yet fails to deliver. Yeah, I know the show is free and he is a busy man, but don't make promises you can't fulfill. It's only annoying the fans. Just say something like "in a few days" or something less specific.

No you're wrong because it's been proven if he doesn't respond the thread will be full of whiners asking the same shit and complaining about "customer service."
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