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Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1658
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TORTOISE
United States515 Posts
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ForeverAzerG
United Kingdom101 Posts
On October 06 2011 03:39 laharl23 wrote: Asking a guy with severe depression "hows life" after he just got done raging at somebody is never a good idea.. i wasnt tryna take the piss i didnt even read his post just saw "Liquid tyler" and got happy | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On October 06 2011 03:38 nath wrote: i thought the govt firewall would not allow this...proof? i think only a few get around it (macsed does play on kr - gave his acct to sase but i dont know any other notable chinese player who does) Jinro wrote in the IEM LR thread that Jim practices on KR and he thought he was usually really good. Xigua played in the FXO Korean KOTH, there are various casted games of Chinese players against Koreans I watched in the past that are probably ladder games - I think they have the ability to play opponents outside of China. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1652 Posts
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Psychobabas
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BabyKnight
Denmark112 Posts
On October 06 2011 04:14 StarscreamG1 wrote: JP, what about a re-stream for europeans? Like NASL do.. Actually that would be kinda cool, but it wouldn't benefit MLG :D | ||
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ForeverAzerG
United Kingdom101 Posts
On October 06 2011 04:14 StarscreamG1 wrote: JP, what about a re-stream for europeans? Like NASL do.. agreed. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On October 06 2011 04:16 The_13abyKnight wrote: Actually that would be kinda cool, but it wouldn't benefit MLG :D If streaming SOTG doesn't benefit them then I guess buying it (or whatever they did) was a pretty bad choice ^^. Also, OMG it's BabyKnight!! ^_____^ | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On October 06 2011 03:44 Jibba wrote: We waited 10 years for SC2, and you can't wait an extra day for a podcast? Correct. On October 06 2011 03:35 Bojas wrote: I think people complaining about the vod or mp3 not getting uploaded as fast as possible can also be taken as a compliment for the show. Of course it is. It also shows how much we care for the show because delaying the MP3/VOD severely hurts the audience numbers. Basically we're doing what every responsible fan should be doing. ^^ | ||
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TORTOISE
United States515 Posts
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FoeHamr
United States489 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + JK take your time. | ||
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Betsfrox
Venezuela248 Posts
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
On October 06 2011 04:50 Betsfrox wrote: where can i download Mp3 version of yesterdays sotg? We're all waiting for it... JP will was going to upload it as soon as he woke up and that should be now? | ||
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numberThirtyOne
United States294 Posts
On October 06 2011 04:50 Betsfrox wrote: where can i download Mp3 version of yesterdays sotg? Asking that does not benefit MLG. | ||
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MVBasten
Norway37 Posts
On October 06 2011 02:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Sure, lots of things changed after poker came on TV. It didn't just become more popular. We talked about it. Some people are wary of going on TV because, even if SC2 does become more popular, there may also be bad effects, like the average fan becoming less knowledgeable or the average person respecting us less. I think you may have misplaced the word "only" and it makes a huge difference. So assuming you were trying to say that we said that poker being televised was the only necessary condition for its popularity, then I think you misunderstood us. We expressed that poker being televised played a key role for its boom. The way the presentation of the game was directed was new. Cameras were placed to detect the contents of hidden cards so the viewer had all the information. Chance to win the hand displayed as a simple percentage immediately gave the audience information that previously took specialized knowledge and practice to calculate on the fly. And the basic rules of the game were explained multiple times a broadcast. Another key factor was poker's emergence in the online gaming world. Played physically, poker is considered too inconvenient and slow by many. Online poker made the game significantly easier to play than ever before. These two key factors fed off each other, as budding poker players wanted to watch the pros and spectators wanted to give the game a try. Of course, SC2 already has this so it was not worth mentioning. Though it's fair to concede that online poker was more convenient since its software was free and had low system requirements. I believe you understand the similarities and differences between multiple necessary conditions and a single necessary condition. And I'm sure you understand that in complicated real world scenarios, it's often impossible to prove that any part was necessary. The imagination can usually convince us that it could have happened in an entirely different way. So identifying a necessary condition is very difficult. The best we can usually do is look at the situation and reason about which factors, when removed, would have made that specific situation fail. I think it's safe to say that poker's new style of televised content was one such factor for its boom. We didn't mean to make any more ambitious claim than that. But it very well could be that that was the only way it could have happened at that time. So it's similarly ambitious to deny that going on TV wasn't the only necessary condition. It's best to leave such claims alone as we shouldn't pretend or aspire to have such certainty. This adds a lot of important facts to the poker boom that wasn't mentioned before. However let me also just add that there were many (more) factors to the poker boom, and it was actually an explosion that built up over several years. I would say that the the poker boom actually started to take shape in the end of the 90s, with online poker and the movie Rounders (1998). This movie was a big recruitment tool for poker in the young male demographic, cause it unlike previous 'poker movies' really captured a big part of the intrigue of the life and mindset of a poker player (at that time). Fast forward several years and Moneymaker won the World Series of Poker. Although it was an important factor of the poker boom, it probably gets too much credit, while others are undeservedly rarely mentioned. I can assure people that 'the poker boom' and 'the Sc2 boom' are very different situations, and getting Sc2 on TV is in no way a guaranteed path to the mainstream, or even to give a significant boost to the current growth. In the end it will all be down to execution, both in terms of production choices and how willing the TV channel is willing to be flexible to make it work. I'm more than a little skeptical of the potential Sc2 and TV relationship, but I'll try to remain optimistic about it. I believe in the intelligence of many of the movers and shakers of this community, and the experience some of them have gained through the years of trial and error e-sports have gone through. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
Make MLG look pro, keep your show follow simple time schedules. This "uploaded when X wakes up" is just not very impressive. If you choose to have the show at night, make it work for the customers. One more game manages to have vods for every show 30 seconds after the live show, they use the tech available. MLG does not, they rather have pissed of people. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
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DrunkeN.
United States406 Posts
Maybe they are having issues with encoding? Dunno. I'm off work so I'll just listen to it tomorrow at work hopefully. | ||
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:01 Jiddra wrote: I guess this mp3/vod thing is real rocket science a la NASA, however have media been able to keep a schedule all these years. Make MLG look pro, keep your show follow simple time schedules. This "uploaded when X wakes up" is just not very impressive. If you choose to have the show at night, make it work for the customers. One more game manages to have vods for every show 30 seconds after the live show, they use the tech available. MLG does not, they rather have pissed of people. I would instantly donate ~5 euros for SotG for guarantee that the mp3 is up within 2 hours of the show. That way I could download it to my iPad every wednesday morning before leaving for work/school. Though I don't think its the lack of resources that is causing delays atm. P.S. We bitch, because we care about the show. | ||
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
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