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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
September 12 2011 01:54 GMT
#30661
While Day9 may not always pick a controversial stance and defend it to the death like other hosts, he still represents a good portion of the community that does NOT have strong feelings about balance-related issues, and sometimes I appreciate hearing a voice say something like, "You know what? It's not really a big deal." It's possible to LOVE the Starcraft community and not have incredibly strong feelings about every specific issue. It's possible to just enjoy every little piece of it.

(Although I still love me some hardcore balance talk.)
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
September 12 2011 01:55 GMT
#30662
Whoa. Day[9] is staying. Just pack your shit if you don't like him. Day is a saint and if he wants to be on SOTG as a sleeping host, we sure as well have to let him.
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
September 12 2011 01:56 GMT
#30663
On September 12 2011 10:45 Canucklehead wrote:
Day9 is the glue that holds sotg together. It's just not the same the days he's not there.

I disagree. When he isn't there I barely notice. He really doesn't bring much to the panel. If I had to pick someone who was the glue who holds the show together, it would be iNcontroL. The show took a nosedive when he left. Him + Artosis really make SOTG. Even though NonY doesn't really talk alot, I really couldn't imagine the show without him. Demuslim was amazing on the show, I would be OK with him always being there, either along with Day9 or replacing him. I love Day, but he is really starting to go the way of the pure caster type. He's just too busy. I really wish he would start playing again :\
I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style.
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
September 12 2011 02:16 GMT
#30664
1st of all, I think a lot of people are hating on day9 way too much. This is SOTG, a 2 hour weekly podcast, one of many. If you dislike him don't listen. However I do have some honest critic for day9 that may help him be more appealing to the main stream. First I'll start with a positive. You're usually a positive guy, with the infectious laugh and ability to compliment people when talking with them.

Now I'll state something you can approve on. I feel as if you sometimes opening up and just talking would help. When balance is being talked about, you dont always need to talk about brood war and how you guys changed your gameplay even when things were imba. True, but that doesn't mean we should still deal with them now. And a little bit of drama may go a long way to help you out. No, don't go for it all the time. However, whether people admit it or not, we like drama because we can relate. When you get in an argument it shows that you are human.

Anyway, it's amazing how 1 guy last page saying they should remove day9 get people going like this.
I'm a gooner.
flanksteak
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada246 Posts
September 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#30665
I could write a longer response but, I'll just say this. Anyone who wants Day9 gone, get the fuck out of here.

User was warned for this post
BWILLdur
Profile Joined October 2010
United States100 Posts
September 12 2011 02:29 GMT
#30666
Thumbs up for demuslium. Finally a T and he had a real good perspective.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
September 12 2011 02:34 GMT
#30667
On September 12 2011 11:16 ronpaul012 wrote:
...
Now I'll state something you can approve on. I feel as if you sometimes opening up and just talking would help. When balance is being talked about, you dont always need to talk about brood war and how you guys changed your gameplay even when things were imba...


I am sure he will start working on approving this right away

Keep up the good work guys.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
September 12 2011 02:35 GMT
#30668
On September 12 2011 11:16 ronpaul012 wrote:
1st of all, I think a lot of people are hating on day9 way too much. This is SOTG, a 2 hour weekly podcast, one of many. If you dislike him don't listen. However I do have some honest critic for day9 that may help him be more appealing to the main stream. First I'll start with a positive. You're usually a positive guy, with the infectious laugh and ability to compliment people when talking with them.

Now I'll state something you can approve on. I feel as if you sometimes opening up and just talking would help. When balance is being talked about, you dont always need to talk about brood war and how you guys changed your gameplay even when things were imba. True, but that doesn't mean we should still deal with them now. And a little bit of drama may go a long way to help you out. No, don't go for it all the time. However, whether people admit it or not, we like drama because we can relate. When you get in an argument it shows that you are human.

Anyway, it's amazing how 1 guy last page saying they should remove day9 get people going like this.


I agree somewhat. If Day[9] has one fault its that he is too neutral about everything. That being said, I don't understand why people are even considering kicking day9 off. If anything they should just go back to having a guest every show, and instead of limiting the number of people on the show, they should work on summing up their points briefly (tyler). There would be a lot more content on the show if they just did not waste as much time repeating the same points (for example, instead of jp asking everyone what they think about something, he should ask one person, and then ask if anyone else has any different opinions).
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 12 2011 02:51 GMT
#30669
The glue of this show is JP - there have been shows without any of the others, and it always goes strong. Also, I better hear Day9's explanation that some radical opinions are silly, if they are.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
September 12 2011 03:10 GMT
#30670
On September 12 2011 11:26 flanksteak wrote:
I could write a longer response but, I'll just say this. Anyone who wants Day9 gone, get the fuck out of here.


Pretty much this...couldn't imagine SOTG without Day9.
N1k0
Profile Joined June 2011
Uruguay1075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 03:13:17
September 12 2011 03:11 GMT
#30671
On September 12 2011 10:45 Canucklehead wrote:
Day9 is the glue that holds sotg together. It's just not the same the days he's not there.

actually, i think the glue that holds sotg together is Geoff, we saw what that was like without him.
Okay, maybe not the glue, but he is what gives it that spark, that thing, everything is more funny with him there.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 12 2011 03:13 GMT
#30672
On September 12 2011 10:46 Pervect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2011 07:35 Legio wrote:
On September 12 2011 04:55 Maxie wrote:
Please have Ben on the show again... preferrably every week. They do need a Terran on the show, and Ben is just awesome

Agreed, replace Day9 with Ben. Lets face it, Day9 is mostly there for his infectuous laughter anyway. He doesn't bring anything to the table when it comes to modern Starcraft.

Day9's input when it comes to Starcraft players: "Player XX is super nice, and also really really good."

Day9's input when it comes to GSL: "I didn't really watch the games, but my brother Nick surely did an awesome job casting this weekend."

Day9's take on game balance: "Generally I don't want to discuss game balance because there is no balance in a game until its been out for 10 years like Broodwar, and all the strategies have been cemented. Also I don't want to give a strong opinion about anything, because I don't want to upset anyone. Everything is a rainbow."


Yeah - going to echo this sentiment. State of the Game is at its best when there is friction and good discussion and I feel like Day9 tends to be way to moderate about anything and everything for this show. People with strong views and good articulation of those views are the best type of people for SotG.


I think that this is legitimate criticism of Day9 but it's way too extreme. Doesn't it sound more reasonable to say that Day9 should improve if he has flaws rather than just leave? Walking out on things just because you aren't perfect at it is a shitty way to be.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 12 2011 10:58 GMT
#30673
...
Are you really discussing to remove the oldest pillar?
Cut Day[9] some slack.

I do agree with some of the criticism though.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
September 12 2011 12:14 GMT
#30674
On September 12 2011 07:35 Legio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2011 04:55 Maxie wrote:
Please have Ben on the show again... preferrably every week. They do need a Terran on the show, and Ben is just awesome

Agreed, replace Day9 with Ben. Lets face it, Day9 is mostly there for his infectuous laughter anyway. He doesn't bring anything to the table when it comes to modern Starcraft.

Day9's input when it comes to Starcraft players: "Player XX is super nice, and also really really good."

Day9's input when it comes to GSL: "I didn't really watch the games, but my brother Nick surely did an awesome job casting this weekend."

Day9's take on game balance: "Generally I don't want to discuss game balance because there is no balance in a game until its been out for 10 years like Broodwar, and all the strategies have been cemented. Also I don't want to give a strong opinion about anything, because I don't want to upset anyone. Everything is a rainbow."

Yeah, I kind of agree with this, mainly the part on balance. The idra/day9 "balance debate" a while ago was probably the first time day9 said something that I really didn't like.
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
September 12 2011 12:30 GMT
#30675
Legio got it right. If Day9 is talking he is usually de-railing an actual conversation to inject randomness/laughing. He obviously takes it far less seriously than all the rest of the hosts. Always leaving early, eating, watching streams, never has anything real to add to the conversations.

I dunno, its not like Day9 is a bad part of the show, but he brings the least to the table without a doubt.

When Incontrol left, the show definitely took a nose dive. When Day9 is not there or leaves early, you do not even notice.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
September 12 2011 12:32 GMT
#30676
On September 12 2011 21:14 Xevious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2011 07:35 Legio wrote:
On September 12 2011 04:55 Maxie wrote:
Please have Ben on the show again... preferrably every week. They do need a Terran on the show, and Ben is just awesome

Agreed, replace Day9 with Ben. Lets face it, Day9 is mostly there for his infectuous laughter anyway. He doesn't bring anything to the table when it comes to modern Starcraft.

Day9's input when it comes to Starcraft players: "Player XX is super nice, and also really really good."

Day9's input when it comes to GSL: "I didn't really watch the games, but my brother Nick surely did an awesome job casting this weekend."

Day9's take on game balance: "Generally I don't want to discuss game balance because there is no balance in a game until its been out for 10 years like Broodwar, and all the strategies have been cemented. Also I don't want to give a strong opinion about anything, because I don't want to upset anyone. Everything is a rainbow."

Yeah, I kind of agree with this, mainly the part on balance. The idra/day9 "balance debate" a while ago was probably the first time day9 said something that I really didn't like.

on one of his dailys later talked a bit about this more. Day9 just doesn't get focused on balance while guys like idra whine about imbalance. For just playing and getting better the day9 way seems to me better. (it doesn't matter if xyz is imba, because we have to deal with it the way it is).

day9 and now artosis too are the 2 only reasons 1 sometimes watch stotg any more. I have no real criticism about the show, but I just don't like to have incontrol and tyler every week as hosts.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
September 12 2011 12:33 GMT
#30677
Yeh while, Day9 is a great caster, he doesn't like discussions. To be part of a talk show you need to love to discuss and not minding taking the political incorrect point of view. As a listenester I could care less about what Day9 says. I want people who have interesting points of view, and Day9 dont have that.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
September 12 2011 12:36 GMT
#30678
Day9 is not going anywhere. Don't listen to the podcast if you don't like it thanks
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Firewood
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 12:39:36
September 12 2011 12:38 GMT
#30679
On September 12 2011 07:35 Legio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2011 04:55 Maxie wrote:
Please have Ben on the show again... preferrably every week. They do need a Terran on the show, and Ben is just awesome

Agreed, replace Day9 with Ben. Lets face it, Day9 is mostly there for his infectuous laughter anyway. He doesn't bring anything to the table when it comes to modern Starcraft.

Day9's input when it comes to Starcraft players: "Player XX is super nice, and also really really good."

Day9's input when it comes to GSL: "I didn't really watch the games, but my brother Nick surely did an awesome job casting this weekend."

Day9's take on game balance: "Generally I don't want to discuss game balance because there is no balance in a game until its been out for 10 years like Broodwar, and all the strategies have been cemented. Also I don't want to give a strong opinion about anything, because I don't want to upset anyone. Everything is a rainbow."


Even though this came out a little harsh i agree with it. I've always thought Day9 didn't fit in SotG. And i say this out of pure love for that guy, what he does for the community is just awesome but he can't be everywhere and SotG doesn't fit him and vice versa.

Now some of you think that "thats your opinion, we want him there". Just take a brief moment and think about what is State of the Game, what is content and watch some old episodes and you'll starting to see that what i quoted and called a little harsh actually is true.

I got nothing but love for that guy but you can't just be everywhere
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Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 12:49:26
September 12 2011 12:42 GMT
#30680
To be fair, Sean has been opinionated and interesting on several shows, so he has it in him for sure, but most shows he is pretty mellow.

Don't know if it is because he doesn't want to be controversial, or it simply is that he is dead tired most of the time.

Also, it is probably a good thing for the show to have sean as a soothing element once in a while.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
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