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On August 16 2010 23:46 Lunares wrote:
What I want to know is if people on this forum have played any game since the original SC1 came out. Why are micro transactions any surprise to people? They have been around in games for years now.
Blizzards job is NOT to provide a great game, great service, etc whatever to us, no matter what you may think. That just happens to be one way of doing what their real job is, satisfying shareholders with profit margins. Especially in today's economy.
The only obligation for making their community happy is that it can bring them more profits. Now are there some in blizzard who just want to make SC2 a great game? Sure. But that is what they want, not what the company needs.
As a company if they can charge for something and people will pay for it they will. On a personal level I am annoyed that I would have to pay money to do something as change my name, but it is a perfectly normal corporate decision nowadays and I certainly don't blame blizzard for doing it.
im so tired of that. evryone knows that. still there is a huge difference between normal cost and ripoff.
imagine heart of the swarm suddenly costs 150$. would you still say "hey thats totally fine they just want to maximise profits!" or would you agree that its stupid and overprized?
ontopic:
was obvious that they will milk sc2 like crazy.just hope that they dont go overboard with it.if that namechange costs 3$ after first use... whatever. couldnt care less.
what actually bothers me is that (and what i said since months) is that cross region play , a CORE FEATURE will easily cost 15$+. when a company lies to their customers (we cant do that! technology isnt there yet!) just so they can force em to pay quite big money for this "new" feature later i get angry. because its nothing but a pure ripoff.
im not a fan of the whole DLC business we have today but atleast i can understand it. often they are like mini addons and somewhat worth the money. but blizzard is stripping standart features of the game just to introduce them later for money. which is pathetic and a kick in the face for the customer.
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Honestly, I agree with all the hate. I for one think it's disgusting that a company can charge people for something. WE are the consumers, WE are entitled to things for free as we see fit. I can't believe they made my pay $60 for starcraft 2! That is OUTRAGEOUS!! And then they have the balls to not compromise on their vision of a cohesive, streamlined community by not allowing people to change their names everytime their ADD kicks in?? What's next? Charging for EXPANSIONS? Capitalism - the bane of our existence as we know it.
Also, @ BeMannerDuPenner
If they charge $150 for HotS, you can bet your ass I just won't buy it. It's called self control, if you can't restrain yourself from shelling out money you should probably just avoid making money in the first place.
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Good ol' Blizzard.
Coming up on a month soon, and somehow this is prioritized over addressing hackers, fixing bnet 2.0 and other things. Gotta love it.
It's really turning into the evil empire that EA has...
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On August 16 2010 23:48 The_Pacifist wrote:
It starts with names. Blizzard Activision wants to see how far they can push the micro-transactions onto the community. They test the waters and as they do, we will be charged a fee for everything else.
Fees for:
- New maps
- Chat rooms
- Cross Realm Play
- Vanilla Starcraft 2 after HotS is released
- Starcraft 2 with HotS expansion only after LotV is released
- Exclusive map editing features and tools
- 5v5 and 6v6 games
- ladder resets
- Bnet tournament setup features
- Unit Portraits
- Bonus Pool points for laddering
- A new "classic" SC:BW ladder feature on SC2
- Playing as a unique race color or design (pre-beta unit designs and color schemes)
- Choosing your own matchups (no PvP or ZvT if you thumb it down)
- The ability to set up and choose your own games, maps, and opponents for ladder (think US East or ICCUP)
- monthly fees to play the later expansions online (while keeping vanilla SC2 free)
- fees for custom team matches while keeping random team games free on ladder
- additional map "thumb-down" options
- having separate ladders for each race you play
I'm not saying Blizzard will do the above, but you can bet they're thinking of new ways to slowly push micro-transactions on us. Also, the fee for cross realm play is essentially already here for $60 but it's not a micro-transaction.
It's actually okay, I think, to charge some of the stuff above, like a classic BW ladder on SC2. What's not okay is to charge for things we already had for free in BW, like changing our account names, for example.
Keep following the camel's nose.
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I know there is one free one but,
I will never pay for a name change. Are you kidding me? I pay 60$ for a game and then I have to pay 5$ to change a NAME???? It really, really blows my mind how people spend money doing this.
If everyone had self control and didn't PAY to switch their name, or server, etc.. on WoW(even though they are paying 15$ a month to play the game anyways) this feature would be obsolete.
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On August 16 2010 20:38 opticalza wrote:
I honestly don't mind, as i won't be changing my name anyways. My only concern is that they will implement region changes/"Cross realm" like that. With all the weird decision they've made with battle.net 2.0, its something i think they may consider. If they do make "cross-realm" like that - N times free, the rest paid - it's not really cross-realm, but rather changing the realm into (eventually) a fixed one. That's NOT what players want, it's absolutely useless. If they'd try to pretend they've dealt with the issue by doing such a joke, well, they haven't.
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great news for me since i screwed my name up  i actually made a typo in my nick, its so imbarassing 
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Im already seeing what comes next.
Clan support: Every time you change clan you have to pay
Cross realm: Each time you go to other server you have to pay.
Want cool portrait?? Pay.
Private chat channel for your clan? Pay
Blizzard you can go......
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guys please... get with the program... it's the age of capitalism.. and has been so for ages now..
It's supply and demand... if they got it, and you want it.. they can charge whatever they want..nobody is forcing you do buy it..
And you cannot change this era... it's just the way things are... it sucks.. but.. shit costs money.. everything costs money nowadays..
Take it from somebody who studies e-business and business analytics...
Profit, profit, profit... and the occational sucess story in public.. it's all about money in the end.you get what you pay for
How retarded can you be if you screw up your name of your own choosing? WITH the knowledge beforehand of knowing this name will be lasting forever tied to your account.. so make it last...
People... are ... dumb.. :D
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I can't believe how people are getting all fired up about this. Do you guys know what a slippery slope is?
The people to blame aren't the people who are defending one free name switch. It's the people who are retarded enough to pay for a name change to keep a system like this in place. The people who want infinite name changes for free are people who just want to stomp Bronze league noobs nonstop all day. Blizzard has the current system in place to make the multiplayer experience better for those less skilled. Believe it or not, they're trying to give a wider range of consumers more utility out of the product they bought.
and ffs, this doesn't mean I'm siding with the terrifying evil corporation that is Activision Blizzard. Because yes, Blizzard should just implement keeping all your current stats/rankings/leagues/etc. with any name change, and maybe limit the amount of name changes you can do per x amount of time to save confusion (say, arbitrarily, a month). I think this solves both problems but omg guess what? As long as retards are willing to pay for a name change, this system will thrive. Yes Blizzard is a growing corporation that loves to make money. Guess what, its also in their best interest to make the best game possible with features the community likes to continue making this money. I'm just amazed at the amount of bitching.
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On August 17 2010 00:24 SoL[9] wrote:
Im already seeing what comes next.
Clan support: Every time you change clan you have to pay
Cross realm: Each time you go to other server you have to pay.
Want cool portrait?? Pay.
Private chat channel for your clan? Pay
Blizzard you can go......
want a cool portrait? if you're stupid enough to pay then you deserve to be ripped off.
all others are features that affect gameplay/experience and I'm willing to stake my left leg those features will not require a fee
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Yes, it sucks, but there's nothing you can do about it. No amount of bitching and comparing Blizzard to EA/Kotick/Hitler/Devil will change the fact that microtransactions are profitable.
Remember that this is a capitalist society. Companies will do X as long as X gets money. When people stop paying for microtransactions, then they will stop.
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On August 17 2010 00:30 251 wrote:
I can't believe how people are getting all fired up about this. Do you guys know what a slippery slope is?
You apparently don't
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Microtransactions are only profitable if people pay for them.
And if people are willing to pay for them, it serves a purpose.
Don't like it? Don't utilize it.
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I hope Blizzard charges the living shit out of everything they possibly can in SC2. Want go go ladder? Pay 15 USD for 30 games. UMS with friends? Set price + a little bit goes to the map maker for his hard work. New tournament maps come out? Pay for them too. Looking at your profile? Why not pay for it, Want to replay the campaign or even just one mission for that one achievement? You guessed it. Hell, why not even charge a monthly fee for just having your account? Seriously, we're in the world of big profits now. Charge for everything, since nothing is truly free.
Honestly, these sorts of things are optional. Say it with me: op-tion-al. You don't have to change your name if you don't want to. If you do, great, that's your money, I could care less. I don't understand the constant bitching that comes out of people regarding these things.
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Sigh, Blizzard with yet another predictable moneygrab. Raise your hands if you didn't see this coming! Oh, nobody. All right then.
At least they're giving 1 free one for those who typo'd their character name, I played against a "renigade" and made fun of him the hwole time while smashing his base with tanks. Hilarious.
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Not surprising. I don't really intend on changing my name though, so I suppose it doesn't really effect me.
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All because of the WoW players. Blizzard saw that they would pay to have shiny objects in-game and so they realized that there will be fools in SC2 that will do the same. It's a shame really.
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YAY!
Now I can change my name to Yuri and find a 2v2 partner and have him change his name to Yaoi!
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On August 17 2010 00:44 HeIios wrote:
Microtransactions are only profitable if people pay for them.
And if people are willing to pay for them, it serves a purpose.
Don't like it? Don't utilize it.
It's a bit different when the micro transactions start becoming necessary to play the game at an acceptable level. This is a luxury. It's still pretty fucking stupid in my mind to charge for this, but I won't lose sleep over it.
When they start charging to have new mappacks that are required for ladder, change clan tag, to have a clan channel and what not, it's fucking with the very essence of the game.
Blizzard knows that if people are dumb enough to pay for name changes, they will certainly pay for cross realm play, clans, chats and other shit. That's the reason why this is a major issue.
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