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PlayXP JINGJING (Korean SC2 Balance Sentiments)

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deverlight
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Korea (South)463 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 02:45:06
August 15 2010 09:38 GMT
#1
I saw a few people link this site which shows, in general, the Korean sentiment behind race balance right now. Since only a few people can actually read and interpret what's said on this page, I went ahead and translated it so everyone can get an idea of what Koreans actually think about race balance. I hope this'll keep people from the "Zerg is OP in Korea" arguments in balance threads. I tried to keep the formatting relatively the same to the original page so you can get an idea of which phrase is which.

(Source)
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/jingjing/

If we can't avoid balance QQ posts, let's just let loose and argue our hearts out.
A special service for those QQers out there - XP QQ RANKING!

Whew~ I wonder what race's QQ will be on the forums today?
Don't really want to see QQ posts, but do want to see which race is QQing...
OH! I'll just look at the XP QQ RANKING! (wtf 80s commercial catch)

Once a day, vote for the one race you want to QQ about!
According to the amount of QQ from each race, a QQ graph is generated.
If every day we compile the QQ together, in a few months or a few years, we'll be able to understand the QQ of today.

"I dunno man. In SC2 Beta protoss was the weakest"
"Yeah right. Right now platinum is full of protoss"
"Check out the XP QQ Ranking. There was a lot of toss QQ before"
"Holy shit! You're right!"
(Like this, maybe we'll be able to see the balance trends of the past?)

Dear QQers, let's just argue our points by generating this graph.

Q. Pick the race you want to QQ about today and hit vote!

How to interpret the graph
RED = ZERG
GREEN = TERRAN
BLUE = PROTOSS
PURPLE = NOTHING (no complaints about any race at the current time)

EDIT:
The note on 9-16 where the Zerg bar jumps from 57% to 73% mentions that on the 16th, Idra was eliminated from the GSL and jookToJung lost a game where he was in an advantageous position.
jamesltl
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia159 Posts
August 15 2010 09:41 GMT
#2
wow is it on the last patch the complains for zerg "jumps"?
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Jameser
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-15 09:45:04
August 15 2010 09:44 GMT
#3
aside from zerg imbalance arguments, this is a really good idea to keep baseless claims in check for future forum arguments ) grealy appretiated :D
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 15 2010 09:48 GMT
#4
And the 'QQ' is for the race you play? Well that's kinda 1-dimensional, considering the only strong complaint is matchup specific, and the only QQ coming from me would be things to effect that particular match-up, not terran or zerg in particular.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 15 2010 09:51 GMT
#5
On August 15 2010 18:48 bumatlarge wrote:
And the 'QQ' is for the race you play? Well that's kinda 1-dimensional, considering the only strong complaint is matchup specific, and the only QQ coming from me would be things to effect that particular match-up, not terran or zerg in particular.

I couldnt understand anything, since they keep using "QQ" over and over like its WoW
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tournamentnow
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia111 Posts
August 15 2010 09:53 GMT
#6
This was already posted a long time ago. Its the same 350 people who actually use that poll, and poll sample is small.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
August 15 2010 09:58 GMT
#7
Interesting chart actually. Doesn't bring anything too new to the table but still
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
August 15 2010 10:16 GMT
#8
So everyone is complaining about Zerg because they're broken, ok. Here in the U.S., as well.
deverlight
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Korea (South)463 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-15 10:34:20
August 15 2010 10:33 GMT
#9
On August 15 2010 18:51 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 18:48 bumatlarge wrote:
And the 'QQ' is for the race you play? Well that's kinda 1-dimensional, considering the only strong complaint is matchup specific, and the only QQ coming from me would be things to effect that particular match-up, not terran or zerg in particular.

I couldnt understand anything, since they keep using "QQ" over and over like its WoW


Jingjing translates almost literally into QQ. I decided to preserve the feel of the post by leaving it as QQ instead of translating it to something less annoying.

I think it's interesting that the most votes came when the three races seemed to be relatively balanced based on peoples' complaints. If you look at 05/17-05/28 you find that the three races are in a rough equilibrium with the purple bar averaging the highest of any stage that's logged. Anyone remember what patch was in effect during this time period ?
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-15 10:36:53
August 15 2010 10:35 GMT
#10
Thanks for this, a ton. So many players defending the balance with arguments that Koreans feel it's fair. It isnt, and this confirms it. Zerg needs help, and apparently 60% of players who voted in korea feel so.
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Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
August 15 2010 10:39 GMT
#11
While it is very interesting(And hopefully gets rid of the "KOREAN ZERGS ARE DOING FINE!!!" thing), it really is a pretty small sample size.


Regardless I'm gonna check up on it every now and again.
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
Tritonus
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark125 Posts
August 15 2010 11:26 GMT
#12
Thank god, I don't know how many times I've had to refer to this website in other threads.

A+
ddengster
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore129 Posts
August 15 2010 11:36 GMT
#13
"QQ" is more a general whine/complaint.. Does this mean that players complain about the race being weak or imbalanced?

eg. QQing about zerg
1)'Zerg is imbal'
2)'Zerg is terrible and needs a buff'

that poll needs to be better done imo.
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deverlight
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Korea (South)463 Posts
August 15 2010 12:29 GMT
#14
On August 15 2010 20:36 ddengster wrote:
"QQ" is more a general whine/complaint.. Does this mean that players complain about the race being weak or imbalanced?

eg. QQing about zerg
1)'Zerg is imbal'
2)'Zerg is terrible and needs a buff'

that poll needs to be better done imo.


Well I suppose it could go both ways but context implies that it's for "Zerg is terrible and needs a buff"
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-15 12:46:19
August 15 2010 12:45 GMT
#15
On August 15 2010 20:36 ddengster wrote:
"QQ" is more a general whine/complaint.. Does this mean that players complain about the race being weak or imbalanced?

eg. QQing about zerg
1)'Zerg is imbal'
2)'Zerg is terrible and needs a buff'

that poll needs to be better done imo.

종족이 징징 거리다
~이 [participle points to something]
Thus this could only mean some race is QQing,
not 'QQing about some race' <- Good ol' ambigious English.
Altaic languages have participles to make sentences precise.
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kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
August 15 2010 12:50 GMT
#16
On August 15 2010 21:45 ooni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 20:36 ddengster wrote:
"QQ" is more a general whine/complaint.. Does this mean that players complain about the race being weak or imbalanced?

eg. QQing about zerg
1)'Zerg is imbal'
2)'Zerg is terrible and needs a buff'

that poll needs to be better done imo.

종족이 징징 거리다
~이 [participle points to something]
Thus this could only mean some race is QQing,
not 'QQing about some race' <- Good ol' ambigious English.
Altaic languages have participles to make sentences precise.


i think the point is to translate the idea, rather than nitpicking on the minor mistakes.. and thread starter is a korean..
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 15 2010 13:23 GMT
#17
One easy way for foreigners to see the meaning is to look what happened right after patch 12 (2010-05-14) - the infamous roach nerf, which is still being cried about --> a major raise in the Zerg votes. This was the highest Zerg crying vote... until 2010-08-14. Now it is surpassed.
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ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
August 15 2010 13:41 GMT
#18
On August 15 2010 21:50 kaleidoscope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 21:45 ooni wrote:
On August 15 2010 20:36 ddengster wrote:
"QQ" is more a general whine/complaint.. Does this mean that players complain about the race being weak or imbalanced?

eg. QQing about zerg
1)'Zerg is imbal'
2)'Zerg is terrible and needs a buff'

that poll needs to be better done imo.

종족이 징징 거리다
~이 [participle points to something]
Thus this could only mean some race is QQing,
not 'QQing about some race' <- Good ol' ambigious English.
Altaic languages have participles to make sentences precise.


i think the point is to translate the idea, rather than nitpicking on the minor mistakes.. and thread starter is a korean..

I wasn't nitpicking, I was explaining to ddengster the purpose of the poll isn't ambigious. O_O ha? OP's translation is fine.
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Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
August 15 2010 14:22 GMT
#19
[irony]
Korean zerg just need to learn how to play! Nydus, drops, ultra, broodlords...
[/irony]

Great post. Seems like there is somewhat of a global consensus that something needs to be done with zerg.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 15 2010 14:23 GMT
#20
Very nice but there is a thread for it already:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=143641

Tho that is in blogs, and I think this belongs better in SC2, so I'll leave it.
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