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gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
October 21 2010 20:30 GMT
#41
I don't get the graph quite. Do people vote on a race because they feel they are TOO good or not good enough?
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 21 2010 20:31 GMT
#42
not good enough. they vote for the race they think deserves to complain
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 22 2010 06:02 GMT
#43
BUMP !

So i checked this poll again after 1.2 and finding out that my vrs suck eggs now and wanted to see what impact that would have. Came back quite surprised.

Have you guys noticed that the "nothing to complain about" Option is at its highest... ever ? And that the QQ is closer together.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
October 22 2010 06:06 GMT
#44
Yeah nice. The "No" bar has gone up tremendously.

In the current environment, I think things are fairly balanced right now. As always there's room for improvements, but I don't think right now there's any major problems.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 13:06:51
October 26 2010 13:06 GMT
#45
just wanted to bump this because I think it's VERY interesting that much more QQ about protoss than QQ about terran....although here some seem to think that PvZ is still better for protoss than TvZ is for zerg

also the purple bar (= balance) has been going down in the last few days steadily

do you think this is a general tendency that reflects balance, or are protoss just big QQers?
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Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
October 26 2010 13:12 GMT
#46
On October 26 2010 22:06 sleepingdog wrote:
just wanted to bump this because I think it's VERY interesting that much more QQ about protoss than QQ about terran....although here some seem to think that PvZ is still better for protoss than TvZ is for zerg

also the purple bar (= balance) has been going down in the last few days steadily

do you think this is a general tendency that reflects balance, or are protoss just big QQers?

Wait, what? T is at 50.5% and P is at 27%, right? or is korea weird and they changed their colors for no reason...

If thats true, that Koreans think P is weakest race... Koreans are nubs. PvT and PvZ are considered the most balanced matchups, if not P favored (PvT). I think a bunch of noob Ps 4 gate stopped working vZ b/c of roach buff, so now they are all bitching.
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cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 13:43:53
October 26 2010 13:14 GMT
#47
I'm sure that chart will look a little different tomorrow after + Show Spoiler +
mvp, Iron and Maka all went out to Zergs in GSL today.
DND_Enkil
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden598 Posts
October 26 2010 13:23 GMT
#48
On October 26 2010 22:12 Chriamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 22:06 sleepingdog wrote:
just wanted to bump this because I think it's VERY interesting that much more QQ about protoss than QQ about terran....although here some seem to think that PvZ is still better for protoss than TvZ is for zerg

also the purple bar (= balance) has been going down in the last few days steadily

do you think this is a general tendency that reflects balance, or are protoss just big QQers?

Wait, what? T is at 50.5% and P is at 27%, right? or is korea weird and they changed their colors for no reason...


From OP:

GREEN = TERRAN
BLUE = PROTOSS



So yep. Wonder what will happen after todays GSL...
"If you write about a sewing needle there is always some one-eyed bastard that gets offended" - Fritiof The Pirate Nilsson
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
October 26 2010 13:24 GMT
#49
On October 26 2010 22:12 Chriamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 22:06 sleepingdog wrote:
just wanted to bump this because I think it's VERY interesting that much more QQ about protoss than QQ about terran....although here some seem to think that PvZ is still better for protoss than TvZ is for zerg

also the purple bar (= balance) has been going down in the last few days steadily

do you think this is a general tendency that reflects balance, or are protoss just big QQers?

Wait, what? T is at 50.5% and P is at 27%, right? or is korea weird and they changed their colors for no reason...

If thats true, that Koreans think P is weakest race... Koreans are nubs. PvT and PvZ are considered the most balanced matchups, if not P favored (PvT). I think a bunch of noob Ps 4 gate stopped working vZ b/c of roach buff, so now they are all bitching.


GSL 1 was won by a Zerg with 3 Terran in the top 4 and Protoss is doing awful in GSL 2 so far.

It's not hard to imagine why Koreans think Protoss is the weakest race right now.
DND_Enkil
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden598 Posts
October 26 2010 13:25 GMT
#50
On October 26 2010 22:14 cuppatea wrote:
I'm sure that chart will look a little different tomorrow + Show Spoiler +
after mvp, Iron and Maka all went out to Zergs in GSL today
.



Christ, spoiler tags please! Games aint even finished yet.
"If you write about a sewing needle there is always some one-eyed bastard that gets offended" - Fritiof The Pirate Nilsson
kuroshiro
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom378 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 13:36:47
October 26 2010 13:35 GMT
#51
I am you, and you are me.
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
October 26 2010 13:44 GMT
#52
On October 26 2010 22:25 DND_Enkil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 22:14 cuppatea wrote:
I'm sure that chart will look a little different tomorrow + Show Spoiler +
after mvp, Iron and Maka all went out to Zergs in GSL today
.



Christ, spoiler tags please! Games aint even finished yet.


Sorry, edited.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
October 26 2010 13:47 GMT
#53
On October 26 2010 22:24 cuppatea wrote:
It's not hard to imagine why Koreans think Protoss is the weakest race right now.


well yeah, this is obvious

what I'm curious about is, if anyone (who maybe has more insight into the korean scene) thinks this reflects how the matchups are developing balance-wise on the high level in the recent patches, or if (korean) protoss players just like to QQ right now

simply because earlier the graph reflected the situation always quite accurately...with terran UP in beta and zerg UP after release; now it seems strange to think that protoss is UP, certainly not the case imo
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Knutzi
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway664 Posts
November 01 2010 18:13 GMT
#54
so if i understand this correct right now 75% of the koreans think protoss is the worst race?

seems about right
TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
November 01 2010 18:52 GMT
#55
I dislike it, because it seems heavily GSL biased.
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
November 01 2010 18:53 GMT
#56
On November 02 2010 03:52 TheDna wrote:
I dislike it, because it seems heavily GSL biased.

Just like any other balance discussions...
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-01 19:40:21
November 01 2010 19:39 GMT
#57
It is clear that Protoss are at a huge disadvantage. I blame the fact that the units are most expensive and few, so it's a gamble at the highest level. If you go VR, you better make it work, or you are 90% dead. If you go DTs, you better get it right, or you are most likely dead.

If we said before that terran can do multiple mistakes and can still win, while the other races cannot afford that, it is time to say this about Protoss, I feel. DT is quite difficult to get, warp prism, DT, VR all are almost always a huge gamble. If you get it to work, it seems protoss is even overpowered, because you win thanks to very few units. But protoss cannot advance far in a tournament by taking so much risks.

I refuse to accept that there are few good protoss players. We didn't see Kyrix, Zenio, Nestea or TheWind last GSL either, look at them, it turns out they are great players. Players like Tester, Inca, oGsMC and NEXGenius are all good, but they cannot keep taking risks and getting it right every time.

My suggest is that DTs have to be less troublesome to get, or otherwise it is never a viable option at a high level tournament. Carrier is the same. Archons aren't as good as in SC:BW, which in turn makes HTs not as good as in SC:BW, besides the changes to HTs anyways. So we have about 3-4 very high level units that are basically useless. Colossi, immortals etc. are good, but Protoss need more options: DTs, carriers, archons...
Phenrei
Profile Joined July 2010
United States162 Posts
November 03 2010 20:15 GMT
#58
Man, it's hit the 3rd day in a row of over 70% for one race (Protoss). Last time this happened was the week before 1.1 for Zerg. Wonder if that next patch (probably hitting next week while GSL is off and after MLG) is going to have any P changes/buffs. If not, I'd expect that to stay high at least until next GSL starts.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
November 03 2010 20:24 GMT
#59
Wow, Toss rightfully (IMO) getting complained about the most. wp, playxp
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Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
November 03 2010 20:26 GMT
#60
On November 04 2010 05:15 Phenrei wrote:
Man, it's hit the 3rd day in a row of over 70% for one race (Protoss). Last time this happened was the week before 1.1 for Zerg. Wonder if that next patch (probably hitting next week while GSL is off and after MLG) is going to have any P changes/buffs. If not, I'd expect that to stay high at least until next GSL starts.

Probably not untill after GSL finals will there be any patch. As protoss is not involved, and they are probably going to make slight changes to all races, not just protoss. They dont want to do it right before the finals.
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