EPTI've played T since the beta and after trying out the other 2 races extensively it was pretty easy to see T has way too many very powerful options that the other races don't really have. I'd support a buff of Z and P more than a T nerf because of that reason. It's fun to have a lot of great tools to play with. I feel like that is where T has gotten this "op" tag.
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ZergTurd
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I've played T since the beta and after trying out the other 2 races extensively it was pretty easy to see T has way too many very powerful options that the other races don't really have. I'd support a buff of Z and P more than a T nerf because of that reason. It's fun to have a lot of great tools to play with. I feel like that is where T has gotten this "op" tag. | ||
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EppE
United States221 Posts
On August 19 2010 02:16 ZergTurd wrote: To the group of people saying T isn't in some way or another overpowered... why all the noise and a lot of it from top players about how it IS imbalanced? It's worth a healthy discussion at least and so far I haven't heard very many arguments from your side of the fence except "lol T isn't OP, learn to adjust". I've played T since the beta and after trying out the other 2 races extensively it was pretty easy to see T has way too many very powerful options that the other races don't really have. I'd support a buff of Z and P more than a T nerf because of that reason. It's fun to have a lot of great tools to play with. I feel like that is where T has gotten this "op" tag. Yeah I'd sort of agree. It's wierd because I don't think Terran is OP I do think they are imbalanced. I think Terran has a lot of viable routes they can go while Z and P don't have nearly as many, especially Z. | ||
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Fizbin
Canada202 Posts
On August 18 2010 21:37 jdr_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + Can't blame him, but I don't think this has anything relevance to decisions you guys make personally. I understand that as a mid-level diamond player, any game I lose is because I didn't play as well as I could have played. But since I don't have enough time to practice more than an hour or 2 a day, I'm never going to be flawless, I'm going to make mistakes and correcting those mistakes is all I have to do to win the next game. If at the very top level the matchups are imbalanced and Dimaga wants to switch, that's fine by me. I think once planetary fortresses get removed from the game, and the preigniter upgrade gets nuked/removed, suddenly the matchup will be balanced again. I realize a bunch of retards are going to say HURP DUPR DATS NOT EVEN WUTS WRONG WIFF DA MATCHUP, but yes, paper lings are the core problem right now, if lings were actually useful in the late game as they were in broodwar, this problem wouldn't exist. exactly my thoughts. i laughed so hard when i read "HURP DUPR DATS NOT EVEN WUTS WRONG WIFF DA MATCHUP" heck if he thinks he can do better as terran then he has every right to do whatever he wants. | ||
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On August 19 2010 04:09 Macabre wrote: Has anyone mentioned that Corrupters should be able to attack thor? I know Thor own air but at least this would help the mid game roach against thor. Easier to transition into brood lords as well. Wow... making it similar to the colossus... now that's a creative suggestion! I like it. | ||
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
On August 19 2010 04:10 Dagobert wrote: Wow... making it similar to the colossus... now that's a creative suggestion! I like it. Yeah, I thought this was always the case when I played toss in the beta. I switched to Z in release and was disappointed when it was not. | ||
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vesicular
United States1311 Posts
On August 18 2010 20:21 Doctorasul wrote: Maybe T really is overpowered vs Z, but this trend of players blaming everything but themselves for their losses is getting old. I want to see players of all races take the challenge and commit to persevering and overcoming any (alleged) imbalances and win nonetheless, wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air after all this stale, slightly rancid complaining? Isn't that closer to the spirit of competitiveness which you all supposedly have? That "spirit of competitiveness" works fine on ladder, but when it's your job and your livelihood things are a little different. If perfect Terran play will beat perfect Zerg play then there is a problem. You can't count on your opponents to make mistakes in order for you to have a chance to win. Doubly so when money to pay for rent and food is on the line. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Kyouya
Mexico318 Posts
And let's face it, nydus worms are good in lower leagues, a good terran player will kill your worm before you can do anything with it. Meanwhile, a terran can harras you with reapers, drops, shees, HELLIONS, siege in cliffs, vikings, cloaked ghost, thors, practically every unit the terran have... and what do a zerg have? infested terrans!? haha. God i love zerg since SC1, but it's true, the "new" zerg are just a bunch of cute and docile alien/insects. The game was pretty good when the roach was 1 food, but oh no, a maxed zerg army it's just so powerful. EDIT: and im not saying "OMG NERF THE TERRAN" NO, i like them, the terran is the most perfect race in SC2 (followed by protoss), it's just zerg lacks polish a race bad designed because was made quickly. | ||
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AncienTs
Japan227 Posts
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Jzerg
84 Posts
On August 19 2010 04:53 Kyouya wrote: God i love zerg since SC1, but it's true, the "new" zerg are just a bunch of cute and docile alien/insects. Didn't you play the campaign? + Show Spoiler + We learned from it that the overmind was a good guy and the zerg are actually nice insects who got enslaved! | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On August 19 2010 01:06 theSAiNT wrote: Just watching IEM match of TLO vs Madfrog. Not going to spoil the result here but the interviewer asked both players (and lots of other players) about what they felt about TvZ (im)balance. It was great to hear Madfrog's reply: 'I have nothing to say.' When asked again, he said 'I don't like to whine.' Good attitude. Since you can't do much about it, even if it is not balanced, best to knuckle down and play your best. With a different race. ^^  | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On August 19 2010 01:06 theSAiNT wrote: Just watching IEM match of TLO vs Madfrog. Not going to spoil the result here but the interviewer asked both players (and lots of other players) about what they felt about TvZ (im)balance. It was great to hear Madfrog's reply: 'I have nothing to say.' When asked again, he said 'I don't like to whine.' Good attitude. Since you can't do much about it, even if it is not balanced, best to knuckle down and play your best. Madfrog isn't one to shy away from his thoughts (google some War3 interviews). The reason he probably doesn't say anything on the spot like that is out of respect to his opponent(s), not actually because he "doesn't like to whine" as he says. He dominated with the weakest race in Warcraft III for a while and then pretty much retired because winning with Undead became impossible at that level. Hopefully the same thing doesn't happen in Starcraft 2. | ||
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Capnstank
Canada47 Posts
On August 19 2010 04:15 vesicular wrote: If perfect Terran play will beat perfect Zerg play then there is a problem. You can't count on your opponents to make mistakes in order for you to have a chance to win. Doubly so when money to pay for rent and food is on the line. I'm seriously hoping you just messed up your wording because in a perfectly balanced game the only way to win is by exploiting mistakes of your opponent. Every single loss in a balanced game can be attributed to a mistake at one point or another. Perfect play in a perfectly balanced game, by definition, means that every game would result in a draw. As soon as one of the factors is missing (play/execution or balance) then one race will prove victorious over another in a consistent rate. | ||
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thezergk
United States492 Posts
On August 15 2010 23:50 Horvath wrote: According to sc2ranks.com Dimaga still the 2nd successful Zerg player in the world after Fanta (who is korean obv). Now Fanta 12th as the MOST successful Zerg player in Diamond ladders.There is only 20 zerg players in the top 100. Im just asking everyone who trying to argue with zerg is way way worse than the other 2 race, what are you trying to argue with? simple statistical facts?? I saw in a different thread that Fanta is July. | ||
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friendlybus
Australia78 Posts
On August 19 2010 06:11 Capnstank wrote: Perfect play in a perfectly balanced game, by definition, means that every game would result in a draw. As soon as one of the factors is missing (play/execution or balance) then one race will prove victorious over another in a consistent rate. That's his point, if in perfect play Terran wins TvZ everytime, it's broken. If Z has to rely on T performing imperfectly to have a chance at drawing or even winning then it's broken. | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On August 19 2010 06:16 friendlybus wrote: That's his point, if in perfect play Terran wins TvZ everytime, it's broken. If Z has to rely on T performing imperfectly to have a chance at drawing or even winning then it's broken. I think his problem is with the word perfect. Let's phrase it like: "If Terran plays with equal to the amount of mistakes zerg makes or even more mistakes, the terran will win usually. It is only when the Terran makes significantly more mistakes or does not abuse his ability to harass when he loses. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On August 19 2010 06:11 Capnstank wrote: Perfect play in a perfectly balanced game, by definition, means that every game would result in a draw. As soon as one of the factors is missing (play/execution or balance) then one race will prove victorious over another in a consistent rate. This isn't true. Perfect play in a balanced game would lead to a 50% winrate, (counting draw as .5 wins) but there's no reason to assume that every game would be a draw. Similarly, perfect play vs perfect play in poker will be a draw over time, but every hand will have a winner. In a game of imperfect information, perfect play can lose without the game being unfair. | ||
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