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On August 12 2010 12:28 MythicalMage wrote:
Yes. Absolutely. The leagues should pressure the teams, and the teams should pressure the players, assuming we're going by a system similar to the Koreans. Regardless, pro gaming should be a career, and should be treated as such. Professionalism is what's going to bring e-sports to the mainstream.
Professionalism isn't the same as good looks. Looks are actually completely irrelevant. The only problem is that the majority of spectators care about looks more than things that are relevant, so it's in the players best interests to look good.
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Look good? No.
At least attempt to look good? Yes!
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On August 12 2010 12:36 Buddhist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 12:28 MythicalMage wrote:
Yes. Absolutely. The leagues should pressure the teams, and the teams should pressure the players, assuming we're going by a system similar to the Koreans. Regardless, pro gaming should be a career, and should be treated as such. Professionalism is what's going to bring e-sports to the mainstream. Professionalism isn't the same as good looks. Looks are actually completely irrelevant. The only problem is that the majority of spectators care about looks more than things that are relevant, so it's in the players best interests to look good.
By look good, I mean hygiene, clothing, etc. That's what I mean by professionalism. They overlap in this circumstance.
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so many comments about the korean player looks, theirs been quite a few scary westerns also :p
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On August 12 2010 12:38 zor.au wrote:
so many comments about the korean player looks, theirs been quite a few scary westerns also :p
ElKy ??
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Actually, maybe this was considered good looks in the late 90s early 00s
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On August 11 2010 04:30 Pekkz wrote:Should atleast not look like you just got up from bed when you are at the public events..like some do 
But sometimes it's accurate!
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as shallow as it is, from a purely effectiveness/utilitarian standpoint, yes, progamers should look good and smile often. For the sake of promoting e-sports, they need to look good and help break the stereotype of mummy's basement lurker nerd.
And I would say this applies not just to Korea, but also the global esports community. So artosis/day9/idra/TLO/qxc and all others should dress up and cheer up when they give interviews.
Not that they dont already do that, but it would be nice to consistently see them represent themselves with a dressy/professional manner, instead of just a T-Shirt and bed hair.
plus, it might actually draw a few more ladies into this male nerd community.
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Looking good always leaves a good impression. It doesn't take any effort to do. Just get some clothes that fit well in neutral colors, and get a good haircut. I feel if more gamers stopped going around looking terrible (I have had a friend show up to class, hair a greasy mess, not wearing deodorant, and dressed entirely in ill fitting, mismatched clothing), people would think more highly of them. Because you know, the common stereotype for a Starcraft or Warcraft player is not very pretty.
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compared to korean pro gamers...
yes EU and US have a lot of marketing job to work on their look.
Why isn't impressive that girls in korea love starcraft players ? it's not mainly because of their gosu plays, but also because they have amazing videos showing them in a very fashioned way.
It might seem ridiculous to 98% of the gamers but hey... In soccer that happens a lot and in many others sports... and again... if you take the korean e-sport scene as an example even the Casters look polite & clean.
Marketing is a must in ALMOST every winning business... and it has always been.
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On August 12 2010 11:31 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
well most of the koreans look kinda "good". but i guess thats because they are prepared to go on stage and look ok.just like mr sumozerg looked like a boss on stage even tho he was nothing but a chubby korean kid.
outside of that... some just are natural beauties (some1 link the wcg day9 pic with the fuzzy hair please) and some will always look like cliche basements nerds like idra.
No one is asking them to be super models or anything. Not even pro athletes are all gorgeous pretty boys. If you're supposedly a "pro" then present yourself in a "pro"fessional manner.
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Ain't nothing wrong with looking goddamn good.
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I think they should definitely make an attempt to keep neat. At least brush your teeth, brush your hair, and try to take care of acne. Why wouldn't you do this if you're a progamer? It just makes you look bad and you won't have girls cheering for you.
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are you all women?..or are you men?..come on..who cares really..just be yourself whether your ugly or good looking who cares..in all honesty some pro gamers are pretty handsome guys but w.e..people giving in to pop culture nonsense..i say dont let the esports scene get tainted by mass bs..whether a progamer is good looking or not at least hes being real with himself and taht in itself shows respect..if a big guy isnt afraid to show himself on tv and is confident props to him..its people who try to bring down confidence that pisses me off instead of realizes a persons strength he has to know yeah hes fat but not be afraid to show himself in public or w.e..or even bad looking..dont get tainted by bullcrap
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On August 11 2010 04:20 SiguR wrote:
This may come off as an incredibly retarded post, but while I was laying on the floor of an apartment licking ranch dressing off the floor on the weekend, a thought popped into my head.
I'm not sure about all of you, but i've seen a decent amount of interviews with top level starcraft players where the players look kind of... dirty. Or sickly. Or completely fashion-ignorant. I was wondering to myself, "Is this an obstacle for the growth of e-sports?"
Is it going to be harder for north American and European audiences to buy in to the whole starcraft craze when the stars of the show look... well... bad?
I mean, I'm all for inner beauty, individuality, and not valuing petty things in society like fashion or good looks, but frankly, the majority of people out there don't seem to be on the same page. If eSports ever want to become a fully accepted 'sport' in western culture, it's going to need to cater to the petty values of the average individual.
So I'm wondering TL, do you think that the top level pro gamers who become the recognizable part of the scene should be obligated to make a little bit of an effort to look good? Of course, there are plenty of well dressed, healthy looking, badasses that have been making strides for this community, but there are also many who don't seem to take care of themselves very well.
I realize this topic is a little... out there... but I think the core issue is a valid one. I hope I am not crucified for posting this.
Edit: This is probably not the appropriate forum for this thread. I felt it dealt specifically with the starcraft two scene so I unwittingly posted it here.
To simple answers:
People that game are "GENERALLY" (note not all) ugly. If they were hot, they would have alot more exciting stuff going on in life to be anywhere near pro level. (note im not saying hot people don't game, but I am proposing the idea that they will not game competitively)
And your physical geometry does matter, that inner beauty bullshit stuff is for people that are ugly trying to fit in. Philosophy, golden ratio, aesthetics, math beauty look it up.
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I don't think progamers Need to look good. It all depends on how it's marketed. I consider the future of e-sports in the West could be more akin to wrestling than the current Korean e-sports scene.
By that I don't mean crazy costumes and ridiculous dialog/storyline. But definied "characters" who don't all look the same, wearing the same kind of clothes, with mostly the same haircut...
We need people who stand out and are distinctive based on their character, and their looks are an important part of that.
I was looking at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Socke yesterday, and I was thinking, how awesome would it be to see this guy in the GSL, battling against pro Korean gamers... It would be the equivalent of David vs Goliath. The epitome of professionalism in gaming vs ... well the exact opposite.
Another example is poker. The character's there Really show what I'm talking about. There are so many different people that all walks of life can relate to and really make's you think "wow, I can really get involved in this."
What works in Korea (really well groomed players) will not necessarily work in the Western world, and I think, really for the growth of SC2 progaming we need to stop looking to the current BW scene for inspiration.
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i agree totally with skipgamer.
im not saying going to a tournament not showering and putting deoderant is acceptable..no way..but people have different views on beauty and no i dont mean the skin deep crap..but what i might find to be a hot girl someone else might only think shes decent or w.e..the same goes with every community..some people think paris hilton is hot i think she looks like a freaking vulture and way to skinny..so yeah..
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queer eye for the nerdy guy
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9 out of ten soccer players are extremely ugly and when they are interviewed they have their soccer clothes on. So why do girl love them? (anywhere, but the states). Because guys look up to them.
Let face it, if the cool boy in the yard was the gamer and not the soccer/football player, then the girls would dig him. Girls love men with power, and how do men get power? When other men admire they abilities.
So all we have to do is to grow the e-sport, not f….. changes clothes.
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On August 12 2010 16:03 Laforge wrote:
9 out of ten soccer players are extremely ugly and when they are interviewed they have their soccer clothes on. So why do girl love them? (anywhere, but the states). Because guys look up to them.
Let face it, if the cool boy in the yard was the gamer and not the soccer/football player, then the girls would dig him. Girls love men with power, and how do men get power? When other men admire they abilities.
So all we have to do is to grow the e-sport, not f….. changes clothes.
Or maybe because guys that do ball sports have great bodies?
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Anyone, can do whatever they want to do. I don't think these players are role models. They don't need to dress to impress either. I think if they wear what they normally wear it puts them on the same level as everyone else. It makes people like us be able to relate to them easier and shows we can be that same person,... with 12 hours a day 
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