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Starcraft is for gamers and not for Sims and farmville players and the like and I dont really need them in this game. Make Starcraft to casual friendly and you get another game like WoW that gets dumbed down over the time.
The gamer community does not care how someone looks like only how he plays and what he says.
Someone who cares about that shit is not a real gamer thus deserves not to play the game and is irrelevant for the community.
Instead of everyone dressing like a clown and faking to look in a way that is expected from them people should realize what they are and stand to it and not pretend.
Looking decent is important in any profession, as it improves self-confidence and boosts performance. There's no need for plastic surgery or anything, but pros should dress nicely and groom themselves to keep a professional appearance.
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lol, as i read this post, i thought of seeing the qxc interview during day[9]'s count down party
that's funny, I was thinking the exact same thing... There's alot to be said about proper composition of shots for video and acceptable audio standards too. I guess the whole point here is "act like a professional if you want to be taken seriously."
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Any self respecting adult HUMAN BEING should be pressured to look good... looks are so very very important in virtually every culture and society in existence (though the standards vary).
So yea, pro gamers should look good.
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Wow, Idra looks way different in this picture than any other ive seen of him.
I think physical presentation is going to be huge for the growth of esports. Like the guy above me said, i read this post thinking of the qxc video from day9s lol.
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On August 11 2010 05:54 Holy_AT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 05:39 valaki wrote:Well yeah, it does matter in my opinion, but only for those who have just been introduced to e-sports. I mean, if anyone asks please show me the guy that plays a 10 year old game for a living and does 300 apm would you rather show him this + Show Spoiler +or this + Show Spoiler + I'd care more about the skill and not about your little brain that does not compute and accept things that are not mainstream.
Yes but you can't tell a newcomer or someone who just briefly knows something about gaming how brilliant xxx's macro or timing push was. He simply doesn't care or understand at all. Of course the majority of people here don't care how Hiya looks like for example, he's still a baller and a solid player but someone who sees progaming for the first time will say "Oh just a bunch of nerdy guys bashing buttons..great"...it's just my opinion tho.
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On August 11 2010 06:06 Crushgroove wrote:
Any self respecting adult HUMAN BEING should be pressured to look good... looks are so very very important in virtually every culture and society in existence (though the standards vary).
So yea, pro gamers should look good.
In any mainstream culture...ofc. But not in countercultures. Like here, on Teamliquid, if you post a picture of yourself, and you look unkempt and kind of nerdy...well, people are going to judge naturally, but it isn't really going to effect your standing with the community that much.
By going "mainstream", you embrace the values of the culture at large. The question becomes "Do you want to go Mainstream?". For any amateur looking to go pro (basically all the western "pro"gamers looking to go), the answer is obviously yes. For the viewers and fans? idk.
So do we?
Though personally, even if the answer is no, which it may be, I still like "pro" gamers to look professional either way lol.
Also I thought QXC was a burn victim or something. Now you guys are just being mean :p. Or was that a joke. (didn't see the interview).
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Professional Gamers should look Professional.
Or at least look good, agree with OP!
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Yes. Go get cute pro-gamers. You're going to a tournament, comb or something.
To be honest, most of them will do it, or be forced to at live events.
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On August 11 2010 05:51 Buffy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 05:48 Qzy wrote:Wrong! Cloth doesn't make people less nerdy. Wait a minute... ![[image loading]](http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/6381/29939997.png) You are right! It worked! (ps. i <3 idra) HAHAHAHAHAHA best pic ever made !
One does not simply "make" fashion! Not everyone can wear such a hat!
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Yes, ofcourse they should.
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On August 11 2010 05:24 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 05:13 ToxNub wrote:On August 11 2010 04:55 Ordained wrote:On August 11 2010 04:28 Brazen[six] wrote:
"Practicing" for 12 hours a day leaves no time for fashion. But you could probably take a shower and use acne medication once a day, not gona name any names but some of the up and coming players are FUGLY, And when it comes to sports people are vain, look at sport stars, drive nice cars, expensive clothes and are usually fit, esports stars drive a Daewoo Lanos, have ripped Oldnavy tees, long greasy hair and pimples. Couldnt hurt to take pride in how you look. I think people are ignoring the rather obvious fact that pro-gamers are nerds and sports professionals were typically high-school quarterbacks and etc. You don't start out by being ugly, then drive sports cars and wear nice clothes and become good looking. You sorta have it, or you don't. At least it's pretty tied to your development. If you could afford to dress nice, your dad might be rich. If your Dad's rich, your mom is probably hot. If your mom is hot, then you probably can't be that bad looking, either. You're probably going to play sports and date girls and stuff. If you had no friends and didn't know how to dress yourself well, chances are you developed a taste for video games. The less good looking you are, the less people think of you (this is not bs, either), the less friends you have, and the more time you have for video games. You got good at video games. Now you're a pro-gamer. So why are you going to turn around now, on the very thing that has defined you? You're a NERD. Either you LIKE being a nerd, or you are incapable of changing it. Yes, great, put on a clean shirt. But expecting these same people who were unable or unwilling to make those decisions much earlier in their life, who rather would dedicate their life to playing a video game... to turn around and behave like pop-icons is pretty hilarious... I think you're missing the point and your argument is relying very heavily on stereotypes that are developed at an adolescent stage of life. Being an ugly social misfit is not what defines someone as a gamer, though it is in the underlying implication in your statement. You might think you're being sympathetic to 'nerds', but that kind of attitude is what holds the culture back. Did you ever stop to think that many gamers developed a taste for video games because of an inclination to enjoy more intellectually stimulating activities? Do you think it's a coincidence that the kids who grew up with a lot of puzzles and complex toys turned out to be more likely to play video games that are intellectually driven? Ever notice that the kids who grew up in fucked up living conditions and didn't have many toys that turned out to have an affinity for activities that are less reliant on cerebral activity (ie sports) and ended up in social situations more often, leading to them becoming socially capable? I think "nerds" are considered 'ugly' through ages 12-20ish because they dont give two shits about looking good, or don't know how to. Once everyone's an adult, you all end up looking like adults. The nerdy girls discover makeup later than the social butterflies, and the nerdy guys realize later how to dress and work out. You mock 'behaving like pop-icons'. What exactly do you define as acting like a pop icon? Is trying to look good when thousands of people are looking at your face very day behaving like a pop icon? Why is that worth mocking?
The burden of what is a stereotype is not on me. It has nothing to do with my sympathies: there is a positive correlation between being good looking and being more socially involved. You don't have to like it, but you have to accept it. I am not familiar with either of your claims about intellectual children's games or fucked up kids getting involved with sports. Regardless, I don't see the relevance. All you're really saying is that not everyone played video games because they had no friends. Sure? I never claimed otherwise. It doesn't really matter how it happened. I also don't object to the idea that the people who are less social learn grooming eventually.
However, being that you are, statistically, less likely to be socially capable, because of your lifestyle, you are then, statistically less likely to be good at playing pop-icon.
I don't mean to imply that we're all static characters, never able to change our directions, but what I object to is this idealistic notion that people can just easily uproot defining features of themselves and go from introvert to extrovert as if they were choosing a new brand of cereal.
Most republicans will always vote republican, most people who have terrible fashion sense will always have terrible fasion sense. People have habits, and they stick with them for a reason. I could list about a million things like this.
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Yes progamers should always try to appear presentable and well-groomed in public events to give the gaming industry a more professional and respectable image. Although i think fans in NA and Europe would not care as much as those in Korea about how their favorite pro looked like, as there are a lot less female fans in the west than in Korea.
On another note if i became a progamer and dyed my hair and made my skin a bit lighter i could definitely pass as bisu's twin lolol
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On August 11 2010 06:12 Flicky wrote:Yes. Go get cute pro-gamers. You're going to a tournament, comb or something. To be honest, most of them will do it, or be forced to at live events.
I have no problem with that pic.
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I think players in the spot light should look like they give a damn about how they look. So that basically means you should shower and comb your hair and get a hair cut every now and then. You know, normal hygiene stuff that normal people do.
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yes only in events or public places. If you want to bring more people into NA gaming, esports, etc, its a must.
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On August 11 2010 04:37 nam nam wrote:
They should all be forced to look like the race they play, just for our pleasure.
This made me laugh pretty hard.
On a serious note, any entertainer should look professional when competing or taking interviews after any event. I am not implying that nerds need to be ripped, have the most modern clothing nor do they need to be handsome. A conservative dress and hair cut, assuming they are not fully decked in team apparel, are simple tactful strategies which gamers can use to market themselves and e-sports.
Though, I personally feel that American mainstream media at this point would much rather put a grungy nerd on television as the face of e-sports. That's an opinion outside of the rest.
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Umm, most US "pro" gamers are wanna-be hobos. Take a look at Korean pro-gamers and you will some class.
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On August 11 2010 06:32 Oleksandr wrote:
Umm, most US "pro" gamers are wanna-be hobos. Take a look at Korean pro-gamers and you will some class.
I respect Korean Progamers, but honestly, I'd take grungy nerd over asian Justin Bieber as the representative of esports in the west any day.
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i think it matters. Especially since these guys need to become popular for esports to grow more.
I think as someone in the lime light, regardless of what it is you do, you've got some responsibility. You got to at least try to look good, and act right. Whether you feel like a rolemodel or not, SOMEONE is looking up to you.
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If it turns into this, I'm not even gonna watch it anymore. + Show Spoiler +It's enough disappointment to read Bisu's thoughts in the recent Ro16 ceremony revolved mostly around fashion, instead of the game (and then of course, he doesn't even perform too well). This is supposed to be an intellectual sport; I really hope the fashion superficiality has not plagued science yet, but it would be the ultimate parody if it ever does. It's absurd, because cultural preferences vary a lot, and are also inevitably manipulated. People with strong aesthetic norms should realize that none of these are universally applicable anyway. What they consider ugly in another culture is considered beautiful, or is just ignored.
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Do these people have a problem with basic hygiene, or is it a style/attractiveness thing? I don't go looking up pictures of starcraft players much.
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