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this still goin on? haha. ya wow pvp was fun.. until you got the pve hardcore players with their op items ruining it.
blizzard should have made arena only items. that way it would be fair to everyone. like in the tournaments... they used the same gear choice for all players.. so the skill would shine.
the way it was on live servers was weak. i remember so many bad players with good pve gear, simply cause they had 6 hours a day, 5 nights a week to raid. then they would show in arena and sweep up all the hard working arena players lol. it was funny, cause for time, i was GM of my guild, and i got to feel how unfair this advantage was to the arena players having to go against pve weapons and armors.
if they allowed arena only items, it woulda been really good.
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On July 22 2010 17:01 nepitolko wrote:Wow is time consuming? Every game is if you want to be good at it  4 hours a day cause of arenas/raids... Nearly every one of you spend more time playing SC2 Don't get me wrong i love SC2.
The difference is that those 4 hours a day you're not improving any skill. Your real life self is not improving in any way, whereas in SC2 you're getting better at multitasking and strategy, and you can pick any computer anywhere with SC2 and be as good, while if they put all the people of WoW with the same guear, probably the best players wouldn't be the best anymore. What gets better in WoW with time spent playing is mostly the character, not the player. That's a big difference right there  .
Good luck with your (and everyone else's) qitting. Enjoy you're sudden free time.
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I played EQ for 3 years and after that I played WoW for 4 years. I've been MMORPG clean for 15 months. It's a great feeling. Especially for your social life. I still look back and think of all the time I wasted.
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Games like WoW have you wanting to play when you're not, and hating it when you are.
Games like Starcraft have you not wanting to play when you're not, and loving it when you are.
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Since I felt it appropriate to post my first post here, since I too am quitting WoW for SC2, basically the same story as the OP, WoW is not my childhood video game but starcraft was.
Definitely a great feeling to be playing a game with many good memories.
I just hope the entertainment of SC2 isn't addictive to the extent WoW was but yet keeps away from going back to it.
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I don't think many of us did play 4 hours a day during the beta in average... that is ...much.
more than a third of the people here on the board did not even play more than 50 matches in phase 2 (38%).
so if you want to get better, you play like dozens of games. But hey, you play 4 hours a day wow and there is no improvement... except your character probably gains some better numbers.. so go on grind wow for some improvement of you character, but no improvement of yourself at all.
rpg's work different. and after all, in sc2 you mess your skill with your opponent, not your items
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"Quitting Wow" These 2 words are enough to let me say you , WELL DONE!
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On July 23 2010 02:26 Mnijykmirl wrote:
Games like WoW have you wanting to play when you're not, and hating it when you are.
Games like Starcraft have you not wanting to play when you're not, and loving it when you are.
Games like Starcraft have you wanting to play when you're not, and loving it when you are :p
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Recognise the name Two too. Quit WoW also this year, 2 days before I got a SC2 key. Best decision ever, WotLK is trash. Enjoy the game.
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On July 23 2010 02:18 Duelist wrote:
The difference is that those 4 hours a day you're not improving any skill. Your real life self is not improving in any way, whereas in SC2 you're getting better at multitasking and strategy
That's a pretty silly statement to make. PVP in wow (arenas in particular) clearly exercise these same sorts of skills, e.g., juggling crowd control under pressure while still putting out damage or healing or planning when to go for kills via cc chains, simply applying offensive pressure, or playing defensively to ride out your opponents cooldowns.
WOW pvp has it's own gameplay problems that hamper it from continuing to rise in prominence in esports, in particular the compromise the developers strike between pve and pvp balance. However you can't dismiss wow as "not improving any skill" without dismissing (virtually) every other competitive video game in the same manner.
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i never had any problems casually playing wow, sounds like self control problems all up in this thread
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On July 23 2010 03:02 faction123 wrote:
i never had any problems casually playing wow, sounds like self control problems all up in this thread
its more like that in WoW if you want to be at the top level, you will have to play for hours and hours. that is boring and so much time consuming. that is why I quit it. not to mention that you need other people playing it at high level too...
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On July 23 2010 03:15 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 03:02 faction123 wrote:
i never had any problems casually playing wow, sounds like self control problems all up in this thread its more like that in WoW if you want to be at the top level, you will have to play for hours and hours. that is boring and so much time consuming. that is why I quit it. not to mention that you need other people playing it at high level too...
And playing at a top level in SC2 is any different? You don't just magically have skill. You have to work at it.
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On July 23 2010 03:20 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 03:15 ilbh wrote:On July 23 2010 03:02 faction123 wrote:
i never had any problems casually playing wow, sounds like self control problems all up in this thread its more like that in WoW if you want to be at the top level, you will have to play for hours and hours. that is boring and so much time consuming. that is why I quit it. not to mention that you need other people playing it at high level too... And playing at a top level in SC2 is any different? You don't just magically have skill. You have to work at it.
Because with WoW its mostly about how many hours you can pour into mind numbingly boring gear and currency farming that enables you to play at high level. Instead of actually practising the gameplay. Imagine having to just play the AI over and over again for hours each day to improve your chances when playing against real people in SC2.
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On July 23 2010 03:20 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 03:15 ilbh wrote:On July 23 2010 03:02 faction123 wrote:
i never had any problems casually playing wow, sounds like self control problems all up in this thread its more like that in WoW if you want to be at the top level, you will have to play for hours and hours. that is boring and so much time consuming. that is why I quit it. not to mention that you need other people playing it at high level too... And playing at a top level in SC2 is any different? You don't just magically have skill. You have to work at it.
lol
I understand your point, it makes sense, but in WoW anyone can be at top level, you just have to play for hours and hours for some weeks. I don't have any hope of being at top level playing SC2 because the skill cap is absurdly high, making it almost impossible to be at top, so I just play it for fun.
I don't know if it makes sense to you, but if you play a game knowing that you are too close to be at the very top, you will try to be at it. that was the case with me in WoW.
In SC2, I play like 2/3 games in a row, which means like 30 minutes. then in another time in the day I play more 30 minutes and that's it. there is nothing inside WoW you can do like that. you will have to play for at the very least 2 continually hours, because everything on WoW is long.
if you find arena partners, they won't allow you in the team if you only show up for 30 minutes. they want someone to play at least 2 hours per day. so, arenas are excluded for someone who only wants to play 30 minutes at a time, like me.
the same occur with raiding. 24 or 9 people won't call you to raid if you can only raid for 30 minutes. 30 minutes is a joke for raiding.
in WoW you can only level alts or do BGs if you want to play the same way I do with SC2 (30 minutes sporadically during the day). so, I got completely bored of doing BGs or leveling alts.
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On July 23 2010 02:59 Kambing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 02:18 Duelist wrote:
The difference is that those 4 hours a day you're not improving any skill. Your real life self is not improving in any way, whereas in SC2 you're getting better at multitasking and strategy That's a pretty silly statement to make. PVP in wow (arenas in particular) clearly exercise these same sorts of skills, e.g., juggling crowd control under pressure while still putting out damage or healing or planning when to go for kills via cc chains, simply applying offensive pressure, or playing defensively to ride out your opponents cooldowns. WOW pvp has it's own gameplay problems that hamper it from continuing to rise in prominence in esports, in particular the compromise the developers strike between pve and pvp balance. However you can't dismiss wow as "not improving any skill" without dismissing (virtually) every other competitive video game in the same manner.
And how can you pvp competitively without competitive guear? You can't. You might indeed gain skills by practicing pvp, but they won't do much good compared to someone that spent the same time farming.
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On July 23 2010 02:18 Duelist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 17:01 nepitolko wrote:Wow is time consuming? Every game is if you want to be good at it 4 hours a day cause of arenas/raids... Nearly every one of you spend more time playing SC2 Don't get me wrong i love SC2. The difference is that those 4 hours a day you're not improving any skill. Your real life self is not improving in any way, whereas in SC2 you're getting better at multitasking and strategy, and you can pick any computer anywhere with SC2 and be as good, while if they put all the people of WoW with the same guear, probably the best players wouldn't be the best anymore. What gets better in WoW with time spent playing is mostly the character, not the player. That's a big difference right there . Good luck with your (and everyone else's) qitting. Enjoy you're sudden free time.
the difference is that the entirety of this 4 hours you're spending putting up with unbearable cunts, while in SC, even if you encounter some, you generally can bash their e-faces in.
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I did exactly the same, played WoW since the beginning playing rogue only for arena and the competition. And now I quit WoW to play sc2. But I have been interrested in Starcraft for a while now, watching it, but I never had the courage to really play it myself (Incredibly hard to learn and I didnt had any friends who cared about starcraft). Now I take starcraft II as a chance to transition, and I really love that game. It is much more competitive than WoW and you don't have to rely on others or on stupid PvE gear to do well.
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On July 23 2010 03:37 Dolky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 03:20 Bibdy wrote:On July 23 2010 03:15 ilbh wrote:On July 23 2010 03:02 faction123 wrote:
i never had any problems casually playing wow, sounds like self control problems all up in this thread its more like that in WoW if you want to be at the top level, you will have to play for hours and hours. that is boring and so much time consuming. that is why I quit it. not to mention that you need other people playing it at high level too... And playing at a top level in SC2 is any different? You don't just magically have skill. You have to work at it. Because with WoW its mostly about how many hours you can pour into mind numbingly boring gear and currency farming that enables you to play at high level. Instead of actually practising the gameplay. Imagine having to just play the AI over and over again for hours each day to improve your chances when playing against real people in SC2.
Its not practice OR improving your character. There's no black and white...you improve in skill as your character improves. Its just an upfront time investment in order to compete. But, if you enjoy the process of BGs, the occasional Wintergrasp brawl and stuff you need to do to get that gear, then what's the problem?
Its not like the day the new Season starts all the top players have a full set of gear already. Everyone starts the same race at the same time. If you're a good player, you'll already have the same set of awesome gear they've got and now you're both slowly improving your character as the Season progresses.
Its just a gameplay formula. Yeah, its different to SC2 where a new player can just jump right in and compete on an even playing field, but either way you still need to work your ass off to understand the metagame, different compositions, what to use, when, where, on what and so on.
Claiming that top-level WoW PvP is all about gear and numbers its just mind-bogglingly retarded. The same crowd of hardcore gamers play SC2 as they do WoW.
If there's one thing true about hardcore gamers its that they can find a way to turn anything into an intense competition.
Complaining about gear, teammates and what numbers you were dealt is just an excuse.
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