DeA Analyzes 2v2, SC and SC2 - Page 3

On June 28 2010 10:02 Zanez.smarty wrote:

Brood war player complaining about all the changes in SC2? Shocker...



Your argument on sharing unit control makes me doubt that you have even played high level SC2 2v2... If you are playing at a level where both players don't need to pull their weight, then you are not playing at the high level. Sorry, but in order to be a high level team, both players NEED to be able to handle themselves. You can hold your partners hand way up into Diamond, but once you begin to play the advanced teams, your partner needs to take his own steps, or you will both fall flat on your face.
Your entire argument revolves around a team that has one good player and one bad player. But sorry, that team will never make the competitive 2v2 team, so it is irrelevant to the argument. I can assure you that a team with 2 good players will DESTROY a team with 1 great player and 1 bad player.



Sharing resources opens up worlds of options that should ALL be available. The most MAJOR resource sharing strategies tend to be all-in strategies that can fall apart if performed poorly, and once scouted can be demolished easily. There are trickier ones, but they are all handled with proper play.
Resource sharing allows for tactics like quick feed techs, defense/offense plays, but also it allows a team to not be destroyed by a stupid lucky play that are HUGELY common in 2v2 (for example: 2 Dropships drop Marauders, stim and blow up the main Nexus at 385 minerals. That person is now effectively dead for the rest of the game, and punished for keeping his minerals low).
Resource sharing is a wonderful addition, opening up worlds of options for the play. You complain about how there was more variety in SC:BW 2v2 play, then complain about a function that opens up literally hundreds of options for a team.


Uh... are you serious? You don't like how you spawn together with your teammate? Now, I don't know how the SC:BW scene was played, but in all honesty, this is a pretty damn essential part of 2v2 now. Cross positional spawning would be an absolute disaster and on a map like Lost Temple would devolve into 2 1v1s played on the same map (since your enemy is closer to you than your ally). It would be so easy to set up a simple contain between one player and cut off the other. This was why Kulas Ravine was quickly removed from the 2v2 Ladder... because it was far too easy to abuse the distances between players. If you start with a teammate, the game should be about your team.


I am sorry, sir, but I disagree with most of your article. It seems to me that you are very attached to the BW scene and are simply resistant to any change. SC2 seems to be attempting to make 2v2 an actual game mode... rather than just throwing 4 players on a map and to see what happens. Blizzard understands that 2v2 plays differently than 1v1, and so they make maps that are designed to showcase and emphasize the different styles. I very much enjoy the SC2 2v2 scene as it has evolved. It is the future.

The US vs EU showmatch today helped prove a theory of mine. 1v1 players do not play 2v2 like 2v2 players play 2v2. I would like to see these 1v1 pros fight against a pro 2v2 team. I have a feeling they would get destroyed. I was able to point out many many flaws in their builds that a solid high level 2v2 team would not have made or would have exploited. The games (1v1 and 2v2) play so differently that they do not translate towards each other very well. Exclusive High Level 1v1 players will not do very well in the High Level 2v2 scene, and vice versa, and this is how it should stay.