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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
Reasoning: This join the dominion thing has unlocked 1 new thing a day recently, if it continutes the last one will be released July 6th. Blizzard has said the best thing will be last. Blizzard has also said beta will back early July and last 2 weeks. July 6th is clearly early July and if it were to start on July 6th and last 2 weeks that would leave 1 week before release which seems like good timing. Therefore I think unlockable 20 is the beta is back, and it will be released on July 6th. Thoughts? | ||
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Zoltan
United States656 Posts
On June 26 2010 00:43 jamesr12 wrote: Prediction: The beta will be back July 6th Reasoning: This join the dominion thing has unlocked 1 new thing a day recently, if it continutes the last one will be released July 6th. Blizzard has said the best thing will be last. Blizzard has also said beta will back early July and last 2 weeks. July 6th is clearly early July and if it were to start on July 6th and last 2 weeks that would leave 1 week before release which seems like good timing. Therefore I think unlockable 20 is the beta is back, and it will be released on July 6th. Thoughts? Seems reasonable- but im praying its july 5th they bring it back (I have off from work and class!)... | ||
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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
On June 26 2010 00:43 jamesr12 wrote: Prediction: The beta will be back July 6th Reasoning: This join the dominion thing has unlocked 1 new thing a day recently, if it continutes the last one will be released July 6th. Blizzard has said the best thing will be last. Blizzard has also said beta will back early July and last 2 weeks. July 6th is clearly early July and if it were to start on July 6th and last 2 weeks that would leave 1 week before release which seems like good timing. Therefore I think unlockable 20 is the beta is back, and it will be released on July 6th. Thoughts? I hope not, I can't wait another week let alone almost two  | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On June 25 2010 18:46 godlfishs wrote: It's not that simple since the zerg balance has their base in the larva which sets a limit to how many units can be produced earlygame without disturbing the economy Also I'd just like to remind you that blizzard told us that they were gonna try out new things in the beta and I'm pretty sure that when phase 2 starts there is gonna be some significant changes to the balance aswell as to bnet Right now there is zero 1-food unit for Zerg and that is bad. For a race which is dependant upon larvae getting higher food units out of one of them means more power. IMO the Zerg can get powerful armies too fast and thus a 1-food unit would be nice. Maybe make the Roach have 65-75(-85) life and 1 food but 3 armor for 50 minerals and 25 gas. It would be awesome against Marines and even survive a shot from a siege tank. Maybe it could have a few more hit points, but definetely below 100 and below the Hydra. The "key" would be the rather high starting armor, which makes it almost immune to "small hitters" like Marines, Zerglings and Sentries. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On June 25 2010 13:14 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Glad this is stickied now! Ty FA! Anyways I was listening to Day9 talk about how he likes to open up with DT's in PvT. Now I never wanted to say it in public in fear of being called a newbcakes but it seems like DT FE is a pretty viable build like in BW. Basically you use the same build (replacing stalkers with goons and obvious food adjustments) but use the initial DT's to do a contain on the Terran. I've used this build quite a few times and had great success with it. I normally get about 3 DT's in their natural than I spread them out. The idea is to delay the expansion for the Terran, force them to either tech to Ravens and waste scans, and get a free expansion off. I did it in Rd 1 of the custom map tourney and won with it on Chupung. I kept sniping SCV's with my DT's, and but he time he could expand I already had my natural up and partially saturated, and was adding gates+a robo so by the time he could push I already had like 5 Immortals+Lots/Stalkers/Sentries. Anyone have alot of experience with going this route? I don't think this deserves it's own topic just curious what everyone thinks. This was one of my favorite strats in BW. Mind you if there is an opening for the DT"s to pull the mass/all-kill take it but this is good I think if the opponent is prepared (ie: turret right behind wall). I actually just started a thread asking about how to execute this opening against early bio aggression. It definitely seems like a stable opening if you can work out how to respond to the early T tech branches. I'd love to see more replays of this style of play if anyone has good ones. | ||
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SeR3NiTy
France206 Posts
But in Korea it's different, beta will start in two days and last until July 24. Site says they announce this in PC BANGS in Korea. Can anyone confirm this ? | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
On June 26 2010 02:56 SeR3NiTy wrote: A french site says beta starts worldwide July 1st for ~2 weeks. But in Korea it's different, beta will start in two days and last until July 24. Site says they announce this in PC BANGS in Korea. Can anyone confirm this ? seems wrong since they announced in korea (june 24th event) that phase two would start early july and last 2 weeks | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
Is there a way to turn off those annoying control group shortcut buttons at the bottom of the screen? I always accidentally click on them and it ends up overriding my control groups. And then I don't know which control is overridden, so I have to manually search though each one and then correct it. It's by far the most annoying UI problem I have. | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
On June 26 2010 03:21 Saracen wrote: I've asked this before but I don't think I've gotten an answer. I don't think it warrants its own thread though. Is there a way to turn off those annoying control group shortcut buttons at the bottom of the screen? I always accidentally click on them and it ends up overriding my control groups. And then I don't know which control is overridden, so I have to manually search though each one and then correct it. It's by far the most annoying UI problem I have. Sadly I dont think so, you can only turn the menu bar at the top off | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
Can this page be cleaned up a bit? (Alot) I like the format for teamliquid forums in general. They have red folder for "hot" topics and yellow folder for "less-active" topics and "old post" for .. old posts... However, for the tournament section, we really need a different approach. Like, I go onto the tournament section to check which tournaments are upcoming every 2 or 3 days. Lo-and-behold, I arrive there every 2 or 3 days and find the same "hot topics" re-arranged in a different order every time. I think the tournament section really needs to be organized in a "Date Created" order, or at least the option for it. (MY APOLOGIES ON THIS ONE, I WAS TOO RETARDED TO FIND THE DATE CREATED BUTTON ON THE VERY BOTTOM LEFT CORNER) Also, if its possible, can Team Liquid just develop or add some software to the website so we can just create tournaments easily or by request (to prevent spam tournaments) ? Like, say Day9 wants to organize a tournament, he PMs the "tournament organizer person" at TL, then gets it approved, the TL person allows access to create this tournament, Day9 goes in and starts creating the tournament, with a sign-up page and everything. (No, not liquipedia, it feels like an entirely different website and is kind of alienated, it needs to be in the SC2 tournament forum section specifically). Why the second request? I'm sick and tired of going to so many different websites and creating accounts for their forums to sign up for tournaments. While I do appreciate the people that run the tournaments, I really do not plan on posting on their forums regularly, therefore creating an account there is just spam for my inbox and a hassle. Who chose TL? Well, nobody designated TL to be the go-to place for NA tournaments, it just happened. I just know that if I want to sign up for tournaments, get feedback, open to the community, post VODs, I know where to go. If TL doesn't implement this tournament thing, someone else has to centralize the tournament ways in the English speaking world, to prevent the mass tournaments on random forums and confusion. Love you TL, please help with this. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On June 26 2010 05:17 Paramore wrote: Starcraft 2 Tournament Section: Can this page be cleaned up a bit? (Alot) I like the format for teamliquid forums in general. They have red folder for "hot" topics and yellow folder for "less-active" topics and "old post" for .. old posts... However, for the tournament section, we really need a different approach. Like, I go onto the tournament section to check which tournaments are upcoming every 2 or 3 days. Lo-and-behold, I arrive there every 2 or 3 days and find the same "hot topics" re-arranged in a different order every time. I think the tournament section really needs to be organized in a "Date Created" order, or at least the option for it. Also, if its possible, can Team Liquid just develop or add some software to the website so we can just create tournaments easily or by request (to prevent spam tournaments) ? Like, say Day9 wants to organize a tournament, he PMs the "tournament organizer person" at TL, then gets it approved, the TL person allows access to create this tournament, Day9 goes in and starts creating the tournament, with a sign-up page and everything. (No, not liquipedia, it feels like an entirely different website and is kind of alienated, it needs to be in the SC2 tournament forum section specifically). Why the second request? I'm sick and tired of going to so many different websites and creating accounts for their forums to sign up for tournaments. While I do appreciate the people that run the tournaments, I really do not plan on posting on their forums regularly, therefore creating an account there is just spam for my inbox and a hassle. Who chose TL? Well, nobody designated TL to be the go-to place for NA tournaments, it just happened. I just know that if I want to sign up for tournaments, get feedback, open to the community, post VODs, I know where to go. If TL doesn't implement this tournament thing, someone else has to centralize the tournament ways in the English speaking world, to prevent the mass tournaments on random forums and confusion. Love you TL, please help with this. Post this in website feedback. I agree with most of your complaints. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On June 26 2010 00:10 gillon wrote: So I've been testing these two variations out and I just can't seem to decide which is better: 11 rax or 12 rax for the standard 10 depo, rax, refinery, OC opening. Does anyone have any real reason to why they use either or is it just something you chose to do? I 11 rax when I wall off because there is a small amount of dead time on the scv if you go 12 rax. Then I can orbital at 14 instead of 15 which should make up for the slightly cut scvs. I haven't done any testing but that's my reason | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 26 2010 02:24 Rabiator wrote: Right now there is zero 1-food unit for Zerg and that is bad. For a race which is dependant upon larvae getting higher food units out of one of them means more power. IMO the Zerg can get powerful armies too fast and thus a 1-food unit would be nice. Maybe make the Roach have 65-75(-85) life and 1 food but 3 armor for 50 minerals and 25 gas. It would be awesome against Marines and even survive a shot from a siege tank. Maybe it could have a few more hit points, but definetely below 100 and below the Hydra. The "key" would be the rather high starting armor, which makes it almost immune to "small hitters" like Marines, Zerglings and Sentries. Well, Zerglings do 5 dmg, so it would take ~35-40 hits (depending on regen/how many lings are hitting it) to kill it. Currently it takes about ~37-40 hits to kill a roach. You are most likely going to nerf it, even vs lings, especially since many Zerg ling users vs roaches go for a quick +1 upgrade, the armor will have even less of an effect. You're more than halving the unit hp and not reducing the dmg by more than half so... it would be a buff vs lings/marines/sentries. Not to mention they wouldn't be very good at all vs anything else - marauders 5 shotting them would be terrible, and possibly 4 shotting if you take it all the way down to 65. At the same time I don't think the game needs any more hard counters than it already has . Although don't get me wrong, I don't like the roach as it is at all and am welcome to new ideas and people trying^^ | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
1 additional point of armor greatly increases the time to live of a roach vs quick firing units which changes a lot of game balances. Adding more health allows them to break certain "hits to kill" thresholds. Fun fact: Roaches do ~8 dps, while zergling does ~7 and hydralisk does ~16. Once again the koreans believe zerg neds to be nerfed. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:11 Hikari wrote: I mentioned earlier in this thread to increase roach hp by ~15. This allows roaches to withstand 1 more shot from a colossus and siege tank. 1 additional point of armor greatly increases the time to live of a roach vs quick firing units which changes a lot of game balances. Adding more health allows them to break certain "hits to kill" thresholds. Fun fact: Roaches do ~8 dps, while zergling does ~7 and hydralisk does ~16. Once again the koreans believe zerg neds to be nerfed. If anything Zerg does not need a stronger tank. They need weaker units cost LESS SUPPLY. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
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Zoltan
United States656 Posts
just give tanks their +10 damage back and give toss better carriers and make motherships faster. + Show Spoiler + no, dont though. | ||
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moon`
United States372 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:41 FabledIntegral wrote: If anything Zerg does not need a stronger tank. They need weaker units cost LESS SUPPLY. Yeah, it's pretty underwhelming when my 200 max Zerg army (if I go hydra/roach) of a clump of roaches that take ridiculous amounts of OV to get to and a slightly larger force of hydras and a few infestors are the only thing standing around. Even if you (the Z) are in the lead, you can easily be wiped out by hard counters the T or P can set up such as collosi and tanks. This is not to say these units are imbalanced; rather, it is my example of how un-swarmy the Zerg has become when it has only the Zergling as a swarm-based unit. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
A terran can too say their 200/200 supply bio army gets roflstomped by storm+colossi/15 tanks. Ultralisks do pretty well against colossi and tanks. If you are in the lead anyway why not tech to hive...? One of zerg's greatest strength is our ability to rebuild our army. After a full 200v200 battle you can be back up to food cap in less than a minute, while your opponent would prob still be sitting at 130/200... Wouldn't weaker units nerf this regeneration aspect of the zerg army? Roaches are cheap, but are rather weak compared to their other 1.5 counterparts (stalkers and marauders). Given smartcast and stronger AI I think weaker units that costs less supply will just make the entire army die to strong AoE. Right now you can still run your hydras out of a storm. Make them any weaker hp wise will: - Allow colossi to 2 shot them without +3 weapon upgrade - Tank splash will hurt even more (@50dmg a full shot+a 50% dmg shot will do 75 dmg...) - 2 fungal growths would kill off a good portion of your "weak units" | ||
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