On June 02 2010 21:33 Bibdy wrote:
At any rate, as to the OP, I dunno about making them Light. It wouldn't help the situations where your Collossi get fucking steamrolled by a handful of Vikings and Siege Tanks hanging out with a MM blob. If Phoenixes were the counter, Terrans would just get some Thors instead of some Tanks and then you've still got the 'massively, insanely long reach of the Terran army' problem.
So you're saying this change will make both Phoenixes and Thors more useful in PvT? That's awesome, cause that's the whole point of the change =)
On June 02 2010 19:28 Piy wrote:
I don't think Vikings are imba in any of the MU's and thors are still pretty good against vikings. It's the strength of tanks that make the tank/viking style so strong, not the armour type of vikings :p
Vikings give sight to Tanks. Without them you either need scan or will be raped, since opponent's tanks will just outrange yours and blow them up straight away without a fighting chance. Viking is a key unit here.
Thors DPS against vikings is 12,8
It takes 10 seconds to kill viking.
That's not pretty good. That's awful in fact, because it doesn't let Thors to scare Vikings away and stop them from giving sight at all. Stimmed marauders have 13,3 DPS against Immortals shields for comparison, that's how bad it is.
Changing armor type will double Thors damage against Vikings
On June 02 2010 21:08 lololol wrote:
Currently vikings rape void rays and win slightly vs phoenixes. Having vikings with light wouldn't be a fair fight with phoenixes, they will get raped really bad and it's very likely that a Phoenix/Carrier mix will counter everything a terran can throw at it(Corsairs/Carriers are similar in that, but terrans have goliaths in BW).
Viking isn't only terran's air unit though, in case you forgot about battlecruiser. One BC rips apart 5 phoenix without using Yamato.
Vikings have same inherit advantage over Phoenixes as Mutalisks - they are significantly easier to mass and we know how good Mutalisks are against Phoenixes in cost2cost fight, so it's perfectly fine for Phoenixes to be stronger unit than Vikings.
On June 02 2010 21:31 Failsafe wrote:
You can't change the Viking's armor type to Light without also changing the Phoenix. The two units' strength is comparable right now, and if the Viking's armor type were Light it would fuck up the dynamic.
Phoenix is like never used in PvT, dude. Fucking up this "dynamic" is an improvement =)
On June 02 2010 19:37 Loverman wrote:
So you suggest making TVT a thor/banshee fest?
Banshee range 6, Vikings range 9, Thors range 10.
What that means is that Banshee should be almost right above the Thor, or else Viking could land free shots on it. So at the very least there's absolutely no friggin' way for TvT to turn into thor/banshee fest because of this change.
EPT
