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Conclusion: The System should be in that way of StarcraftRankings.
although i think a leaguesystem in general is not that bad in order to replace a "level-system" combined with a top 1000 ranked ladder(i refer to WC3 system in that point). In fact the level gradation was just a transformation of your points. So you exchange a number with another number which is subtly.
The Change into a league with different qualities/values (value because the classification in form of silver, gold, platin.... is smart, i think) is comprehensible. It enables the possibility to correleate your performance/points with a decent rank, which is gradated in another value of performance. This gradation is just kind of iccup ranks for the masses. The Problem with the leagues at the moment is that there are x diamond, x platin.... So your space to compare you with eachother is too small. Like the threadopener just said, its frustating and even in a more casual sight, not motivating(maybe shortsighted like first ten games).
The solution which lay on hands is to define, there are just one diamond, one platin etc. Maybe it brings problems with scaling up and down a league. But actual it would just afford to find another formula (good players rising faster up that not that good players).
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Maybe they could implement a dual option in the settings with the lameness that is the current state the default setting, that would satisfy the sheeple that want to feel good about their ranking. The other option, obviously, would be to display your ranking on a global/server scale. I suppose that would make too much sense...
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I wholeheartedly agree. Btw, congrats about your website, I didn't even know it existed. You are the man.
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On May 27 2010 07:57 radynom wrote:
Also, many people may not realize it, but knowing your ranking within your entire league is just as obfuscated as your ranking in your division. Say you are rank #1 in platinum, that really means you are about #14295 overall. You may not think like this now, but when the game comes out, I am sure a lot of you would prefer to say you are a high ranking Diamond than someone who can't get into Pro league and rank #12834.
For those that really want global ranking instead of ranking in their league, then what's the point of having different league? Are you suggesting to remove the league system all together? If you want to have league and know your ranking in that league, what's to say this level of obfuscation is better than what Blizzard is implementing now?
So in summary, if you really are competitive and want to know your global ranking, get better and get into the Pro league!! You could have the best of both worlds.
They could just keep the current divisions that makes some people happy but also add your global ranking as a small number on some corner of your player profile. You might not even want to look at that number if you don't care about it and just look at the big bright "number 1 diamond" that makes you feel so awesome. But other players might wanna check the global rankings
From my experience in other games. Having different rankings and different types of goals to achieve works very well. You can't get to top #10000 ranking X? Well you could always aim for top 10 on rank Y! Not good at that too? Well, there's always rank Z! This works very well in other game types to keep players engaged and always have something to look for.
They don't need to obfuscate the global rankings to make the average players feel good about themselves.
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please get rid of this awful division system and implement an easy to navigate ladder.
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tbh id rather be rank 12423 Diamond than #2 Platinum.
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Why does Blizzard think they can just assume they know what customers want? Why are they so arrogant?
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I sent this e-mail to blizz today:
"http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014
check the polls on the bottom. Shocking aren't they?
Seriously, I understand that you are trying to take control of the global e-Sports scene, but don't forget that the players are the ones who make the e-Sport possible. Don't drive your top level players and most dedicated fans away because you are too cocky to realize that you NEED LAN play, you NEED chat channels, YOU NEED A GLOBAL, UNIQUE LADDER, and you NEED to allow cross-region play. These aren't hard aspects to implement. Chat channels would probably take one programmer about 3 hours to finalize and polish. Cross region? Just let a battle.net account connect to multiple regions, like in SC1... Unique Ladder? YOU HAD ONE AND GOT RID OF IT. What were you thinking? Did you never look at http://starcraftrankings.com/ ? This website proves that people WANT and REQUIRE a UNIQUE LADDER. No one cares if you are better than 50 other people at your skill level. I want to know how good I am globally, compared to all other players. So does EVERYONE ELSE.
Please Blizzard, as someone who has literally grown up on your games, I have played SC1 and BW since 1998, I've played WoW for over 4 years. I played D2 until I got carpal tunnel. Don't leave us hanging on the biggest game to be released since 1998. You may not realize it, but you are shooting your feet off with these policies. All I ask is for some kind of response, do something, make it clear that your intentions are toward the players, not towards your bank account. We all know how much you make off of WoW (16,000,000 times 15 is.... 240,000,000 a month) so don't get greedy like everyone else, stick to your guns, don't forget that the thing that brought your company to the precipice of the gaming world if a focus on your players and the community.
And seriously, go on the www.teamliquid.net forums and read what people are saying. You have professionals abandoning the sport all together because of what you are doing with this game. Don't ruin the phenomenon, keep the gravy train rolling! Please. I beg you. Don't ruin this for everyone."
Maybe if more people on the ground floor for blizz realize what the community wants, because clearly they don't, they will change some stuff. I think at this point it is just a question of gathering enough voices to ensure that Activision (who is really behind all this non-sense) gets the idea.
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On May 31 2010 10:49 Chronald wrote:/signed I sent this e-mail to blizz today: "http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014 check the polls on the bottom. Shocking aren't they? Seriously, I understand that you are trying to take control of the global e-Sports scene, but don't forget that the players are the ones who make the e-Sport possible. Don't drive your top level players and most dedicated fans away because you are too cocky to realize that you NEED LAN play, you NEED chat channels, YOU NEED A GLOBAL, UNIQUE LADDER, and you NEED to allow cross-region play. These aren't hard aspects to implement. Chat channels would probably take one programmer about 3 hours to finalize and polish. Cross region? Just let a battle.net account connect to multiple regions, like in SC1... Unique Ladder? YOU HAD ONE AND GOT RID OF IT. What were you thinking? Did you never look at http://starcraftrankings.com/ ? This website proves that people WANT and REQUIRE a UNIQUE LADDER. No one cares if you are better than 50 other people at your skill level. I want to know how good I am globally, compared to all other players. So does EVERYONE ELSE. Please Blizzard, as someone who has literally grown up on your games, I have played SC1 and BW since 1998, I've played WoW for over 4 years. I played D2 until I got carpal tunnel. Don't leave us hanging on the biggest game to be released since 1998. You may not realize it, but you are shooting your feet off with these policies. All I ask is for some kind of response, do something, make it clear that your intentions are toward the players, not towards your bank account. We all know how much you make off of WoW (16,000,000 times 15 is.... 240,000,000 a month) so don't get greedy like everyone else, stick to your guns, don't forget that the thing that brought your company to the precipice of the gaming world if a focus on your players and the community. And seriously, go on the www.teamliquid.net forums and read what people are saying. You have professionals abandoning the sport all together because of what you are doing with this game. Don't ruin the phenomenon, keep the gravy train rolling! Please. I beg you. Don't ruin this for everyone." Maybe if more people on the ground floor for blizz realize what the community wants, because clearly they don't, they will change some stuff. I think at this point it is just a question of gathering enough voices to ensure that Activision (who is really behind all this non-sense) gets the idea.
Good post but the current population in WoW is nowhere near 16 million, by Blizzard's own count they're still a bit over 11 million but there's some doubt over that. Warcraft Census has the active population at 3.4 million for the U.S., and 2.4 million for Europe for a total of 5.7 million. Of course this is just the number of active characters, and the average WoW player has more than one character, so the actual amount of people with active subscriptions in these two regions is definitely smaller than 5.7 million.
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=-1&minlevel=10&maxlevel=80&servertypeid=-1
Unfortunately it is hard to get figures for China but I doubt they have more than 5 million active users.
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hey Gib
any chances that you're going to bring your site back anytime soon? aka for release?
it was amasing 
Edit: sorry for necroing this thread... I'm just really interested in this website and I hope that if we give this guy support.. he's going to reimplement it
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i like the divisions 
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EDIT: I wrote this post, then about 10 minutes later I found this: http://beta-us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/24939/1/ladder/53/ ... Hotness. As long as Blizzard is ok with it, I should be able to get starcraftrankings.com up with complete data very soon (this weekend at the latest).
I don't know, my traffic seems to go up when I don't update it, why would I want to interfere with that?!
![[image loading]](http://fileza.com/d/14ro408/winup.png)
On a more serious note, I just started a full time job a couple weeks ago and the project we're working on is in a pretty demanding phase so I don't have much time to do other things right now
In addition, the new naming/division system makes my client updater significantly less effective because you can't just lookup someone else's division and scan it, you have to know their character code which is much less accessible than even the identifiers before them. Also, without division numbers, it is difficult to figure out which divisions are missing. It's still doable, but it will either be much less accurate or require a much more sophisticated updater.
Blizzard has said they are developing their own SC2 Armory of sorts. While they are unlikely to provide overall rankings on it, it will probably have all the divisions on it and it will be much easier to update my overall rankings from a website than the client (primarily because the client is completely proprietary and hard to figure out, while websites conform to open standards). If they release it soon, I can get away with avoiding the client updater altogether and save a lot of time and frustration, so that's what I'm hoping for.
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agree with everything and signed
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