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Profile Joined April 2010
Australia156 Posts
May 17 2010 02:08 GMT
#41
So far I can only think of 3 things I'd want to bind to a mouse, and that's control, shift and maybe a-move like someone suggested. So as long as you have mouse buttons 3,4 and 5 you'll be fine, and let's face it, any decent mouse does. So with that considered, next on the list should be comfort/ease of use/precision, and for that I'd recommend one 3 mouses, the G5, razer Deathadder or the razer Lachesis. G5 - Deathadder are pretty much equivalent, but if you grip the mouse in a different way, then I'd say go for the Lachesis, because it is also technically a great mouse.

@Maniac I have a lycosa but haven't thought of anything cool to do with it, how about posting some of your cool ideas? ^^
ManiacTheZealot
Profile Joined December 2009
United States490 Posts
May 17 2010 03:02 GMT
#42
Well most of my ideas centered around moving keys to more easily reachable locations. Such as maybe putting my 6789 on F1 to F4. Moving backspace which cycles through your hatchery locations to the tilde key. Making a macro on a more easily reachable key that does control f1 to select all idle workers without having to searching for them. Handy for late game. Some of its kind of nit picky but comfortable keys are important to me if I had some extra cash I'd get one. All this would of course make it pretty much impossible to type. I think it can change profiles though so maybe you can switch back and forth.
Nakas
Profile Joined May 2010
United States148 Posts
May 17 2010 04:38 GMT
#43
On May 17 2010 10:18 ManiacTheZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 06:49 Nakas wrote:
On May 16 2010 14:02 Nutshell wrote:
I'm thinking about getting a Razer Naga for sc2, but I'd like to hear from someone who has used one. On my keyboard, I honestly can't hit anything east of the 5 key without looking down.


I use a Nostromo n52te keypad instead of a regular keyboard (with a normal mouse). It lets me use a modifier key to change the qwert/asdfg keys into 12345/67890 (I use lhs grid layout), so I can use all 10 control groups easily without moving my hand from it's normal position.


How well does this work for you? Do you see it as being faster and more comfortable then a regular keyboard? I've always looked at these keypads wondering if I could make good use out of them but I have never bought one.


I like it a lot, I certainly find it more comfortable and convenient. Speed-wise, I think it's faster overall. Accessing a 1 to 5 control group might be a touch slower due to requiring a modifier key, but not by much. It's like the speed difference between pressing '5' and 'ctrl-5', except the modifier keys on the n52 are much better placed (they're placed at the thumb). But this is offset by the fact that my fingers aren't moving around as much, not even up two rows to reach the number keys. For instance, if I need control group 0 to use an ability in the 'z' box, it's just 'modifier-g, z', rather than '0,z' which I think is a lot slower. It gets really fast when control group binds and actions fall on the same key, for example, I bind all my hatcheries to control group 1, so accessing my hatch, selecting larvae, and spawning drones from them is just 'modifier-q,q,q'.

You know, after writing this post I looked at how I set this up and realized that in the end I didn't use any of the special Nostromo modifier functions, but instead did it by just remapping hotkeys in the .mpq files using the program posted on these forums. That means you could probably do a similar setup with a standard keyboard by changing the "recall control group x", "set control group x", and "append control group x" hotkeys to 'alt-(letter)', 'ctrl-(letter)', and 'shift-(letter)', respectively. I don't see this being as good as a Nostromo though, since the Nostromo has all the modifier buttons placed nicely on the thumb.
Perkster
Profile Joined May 2010
United States5 Posts
May 17 2010 04:47 GMT
#44
I use the naga for sc2 . I use the keys mainly to build zerg units faster. I would recommend the mouse for an avid zerg player. I'm using the iPad typing this so excuse the periods
Kim Jong Il is my favorite player
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 05:05:22
May 17 2010 05:04 GMT
#45
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It looks like a mouse phone to me..
joined TL.net in 2006 (aka GMer) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41944#2
Nutshell
Profile Joined March 2010
United States41 Posts
May 17 2010 08:17 GMT
#46
On May 17 2010 10:13 ManiacTheZealot wrote:
I'm like you I don't use past 5 but not because I can't hit them instead because its tough to bind them. Pressing control and hitting 6 to 0 stresses my hands a bit to much.
This.
I don't care how fast anyone thinks they are at hitting control + 9, but I guarantee you someone with as much practice as you with "9" bound to a mouse key would be faster.
ManiacTheZealot
Profile Joined December 2009
United States490 Posts
May 17 2010 08:49 GMT
#47
On May 17 2010 13:38 Nakas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 10:18 ManiacTheZealot wrote:
On May 17 2010 06:49 Nakas wrote:
On May 16 2010 14:02 Nutshell wrote:
I'm thinking about getting a Razer Naga for sc2, but I'd like to hear from someone who has used one. On my keyboard, I honestly can't hit anything east of the 5 key without looking down.


I use a Nostromo n52te keypad instead of a regular keyboard (with a normal mouse). It lets me use a modifier key to change the qwert/asdfg keys into 12345/67890 (I use lhs grid layout), so I can use all 10 control groups easily without moving my hand from it's normal position.


How well does this work for you? Do you see it as being faster and more comfortable then a regular keyboard? I've always looked at these keypads wondering if I could make good use out of them but I have never bought one.


I like it a lot, I certainly find it more comfortable and convenient. Speed-wise, I think it's faster overall. Accessing a 1 to 5 control group might be a touch slower due to requiring a modifier key, but not by much. It's like the speed difference between pressing '5' and 'ctrl-5', except the modifier keys on the n52 are much better placed (they're placed at the thumb). But this is offset by the fact that my fingers aren't moving around as much, not even up two rows to reach the number keys. For instance, if I need control group 0 to use an ability in the 'z' box, it's just 'modifier-g, z', rather than '0,z' which I think is a lot slower. It gets really fast when control group binds and actions fall on the same key, for example, I bind all my hatcheries to control group 1, so accessing my hatch, selecting larvae, and spawning drones from them is just 'modifier-q,q,q'.

You know, after writing this post I looked at how I set this up and realized that in the end I didn't use any of the special Nostromo modifier functions, but instead did it by just remapping hotkeys in the .mpq files using the program posted on these forums. That means you could probably do a similar setup with a standard keyboard by changing the "recall control group x", "set control group x", and "append control group x" hotkeys to 'alt-(letter)', 'ctrl-(letter)', and 'shift-(letter)', respectively. I don't see this being as good as a Nostromo though, since the Nostromo has all the modifier buttons placed nicely on the thumb.


Cool thx for the info. I'm definitely tempted to get one just to try it out.
D-Lite
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom223 Posts
May 17 2010 15:26 GMT
#48
On May 16 2010 14:17 kzn wrote:
i am still amazed that people can use the naga at all

i honestly thought it was a joke the first time I saw it

it looks like an early generation mobile phone without a screen

i use the steel series wow mouse
before i get RTS nerd raged, i thought it would make my competative arena play better....it didnt


pros
it stops paper from flying off my desk when the window is open

cons
cant change the lights on windows7 64bit
too big and bulky
buttons aint responsive
buttons aint in the right place
too many buttons to actually use
cant change the DPI in windows7 without custom drivers
the "d-pad" on it is a joke
overall the mouse is a joke
Real men proxygate
EnderW
Profile Joined March 2010
United States170 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-20 09:11:35
May 17 2010 15:42 GMT
#49
Learn from the mistakes of others, because you wont live long enough to make them all yourself.
Nakas
Profile Joined May 2010
United States148 Posts
May 17 2010 18:55 GMT
#50
On May 18 2010 00:42 EnderW wrote:
Edit: I also have a Nostromo n52, but i haven't got around to using it yet because i don't know how to set it up. If anyone uses this and would be kind enough to PM me to help me get it set up I would love you forever :D


I'll make a new thread detailing my exact Nostromo setup when I get the chance, rather than continuing to hijack this thread on the Naga.
Izslove
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia69 Posts
May 24 2010 17:17 GMT
#51
Was 1600 Platinum now Diamond ranked Terran. 150-170APM

I play using the Naga it's revolutionary to my game.

6 - CC
7 - Rax w/ techlabs
8 - Factory/s
9 - Starport/s
10 - changes game to game.

I've kinda considered it.. But I don't think I will ever do it. Set up a g-15 macro to hit 6 then S and set it to loop every 17 seconds. Though if I ever did that it would feel like cheating due to never ever having to remember to build an SCV again.
Its a walk off!
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
May 24 2010 17:21 GMT
#52
I still use mini-optical. Yknow. Cause I'm awesome.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
May 24 2010 17:25 GMT
#53
If you cant do something , learn to do it instead of finding cheap shortcuts. It will make you better , finding shortcuts won't
BW for life !
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
May 24 2010 17:28 GMT
#54
Since i come from a FPS world, i can tell you the consensus is that the best mice in terms of reliability, comfort, accuracy and price are the ie 3.0, the razer deathadder, and the mx518. I personally perfer the mx518, i've been using this one for about 4 years, and just bought another one so when this one gets old. Couldn't be happier about it, performs at top level.
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 17:31:25
May 24 2010 17:30 GMT
#55
I got one for wow, but after some usage, I've refused to bind anything truly critical to it. Things like rocket boots, parachute cloak, auto-run, mount buttons, grenades, things like that, which you don't necessarily need in a clutch situation, but you want to have access to without having to be a damned clicker.

Pretty much EVERYTHING you want to do in SC2 is a clutch move, so I haven't intentionally bound anything to it at all, nor tried to make use of it. I'm quite comfortable with 1-7 on the keyboard.

The design is very comfortable, though. I'd definitely recommend one of the similarly-designed Razor mice if you haven't got one.
Stoles
Profile Joined May 2010
Turkey53 Posts
May 24 2010 17:37 GMT
#56
this Mouse thing is making me sick, i have seen sc pros playing with ball mices
Prem_
Profile Joined April 2010
United States85 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 17:39:50
May 24 2010 17:39 GMT
#57
I use the Razer DeathAdder. It works GREAT!
The only good job is a blow job.
DeadMaus
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3 Posts
January 11 2011 06:10 GMT
#58
On May 16 2010 14:02 Nutshell wrote:

1. How easy is it to bind the naga buttons to anything you want through provided drivers? I'm not sure if this is exactly how I would do it, but for example, could I bind the "3", "6", "9" and "12" side keys to 6 7 8 9 respectively? In the videos on their site, it says they have addons for games like world of warcraft which allow you to bind the buttons in game, but I assume the windows drivers it comes with will allow you to bind the buttons universally.

2. Assuming the above is possible, would I run into problems if i ever wanted to compete in a LAN tournament? I'm not sure what the commonly accepted rules are for bringing your own mouse and drivers to a tournament. I realize rules may be different depending on the host.


1) Extremely easy. The mouse buttons on the left side can be recognized as either your top rows of number keys above QWERTY (0 - 9, - , =). Or it can be recognized as 0 - 9, . , - , and + on your number pad. All you have to do to change how your computer recognizes the buttons on the side of your mouse is to flip a switch on the bottom of the mouse.

2) I have never competed or been to a tournament but I would think that they would let you. Again, this is a total guess coming from a guy who has never been near a tournament before.
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullsh*t."
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
January 30 2011 01:56 GMT
#59
If anyone is interested in buying one, you can get one for $44.99 today only (January 29).

http://sellout.woot.com/?ts=1296331441&sig=9a05b02379e268ef
sinisterpink
Profile Joined September 2011
Japan1 Post
September 02 2011 10:43 GMT
#60
I'm a tad late to the party but here's my two cents anyway.

The fact of razer naga is it reduces the amount of key presses your left hand has to make by allowing you to spread the load of control groups (and anything else you want to remap) to your right. Physically it can be a lot easier on your hands, but some people are going to encounter steeper learning curves than others obviously because it takes time to adjust to using your thumb so much on the naga.

For me I've had a history with cramping after playing for extended periods of time (particularly with RTS) which has been resolved after switching to the naga. I found learning to use it takes around the same time as learning how to navigate a new cellphone (e.g. switching from a regular cell to a touch smartphone) - and once I got the hang of it, it really flies. Here's a little info on me:

Zerg 2v2 platinum
standard hotkeys (w/ spacebar for base camera)
1-6 on naga for unit control groups
7,8 on naga for hatcheries, queens respectively
9,10,11 on naga for evo 1, evo 2, and spire (though because I'm far from a good macro player, these often get neglected)

One great factor of using the naga is it's grid layout: 3 keys in 4 rows basically. You can organize each row according to how you want to tactically organize groups ingame (which of course can be done with the keyboard, but there is a higher risk for misclicks when your APM starts to climb in battle with the long, single row of control groups).

1st row: main army groups. Last key I generally reserve for infestors.
2nd row: harass groups. Muta or a couple of small ling packs for counters.
3rd row: macro groups - just hatches and queens.
4th row: upgrades

So are a couple of neat advantages for using this mouse, however in the end it boils down to your own personal preference and what you are willing to/capable of adapting to. If you have the money and also play the odd MMO/DotA style game occasionally then it's definitely worth it IMHO. Check it out!
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