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RibsNGibs

64 Posts

April 28 2011 22:20 GMT

#81

Ooh, thanks for update on the main->natural distances!

Korea (South)145 Posts

May 01 2011 05:30 GMT

#82

nice

ZeroTalent

United States297 Posts

May 11 2011 21:22 GMT

#83

Thanks for checking out whether other maps have the Wacky Shakuras property! Good to know that close-air is still closer than cross ... though that puts an end to my eccentric scout pattern :/.

Elean

689 Posts

May 11 2011 21:34 GMT

#84

A choke to nat distance would be nice, because that's what matters in TvZ and PvZ.

Wolf

Korea (South)3290 Posts

May 11 2011 21:41 GMT

#85

Oh my, this thread is awesome.

ZeroTalent

United States297 Posts

May 12 2011 14:03 GMT

#86

On May 12 2011 06:34 Elean wrote:
A choke to nat distance would be nice, because that's what matters in TvZ and PvZ.

Except for the rotationally symmetric maps (TDA, BG, and DQ), Isn't it just this?

choke2choke - 0.5*(choke2choke-nat2nat)

Gulzt

Netherlands275 Posts

May 13 2011 06:41 GMT

#87

Thx! very helpful post

Gulzt

Netherlands275 Posts

May 13 2011 07:56 GMT

#88

I felt on Backwater Gulch that the distance of NW & SW, were shorter than the other close positions so I checked it out Ramp to Ramp:

I put a drone centered on top of a ramp and let it travel on the top of another ramp. This is of course not 100% accurate but I concluded NW & SW ramp to ramp takes my drone 34sec, whereas all the other close positions take 36 sec.

Kind of weird, why is it closer?

ZeroTalent

United States297 Posts

July 28 2011 22:26 GMT

#89

Warning: The last post in this thread is over two months old.
If you bump this, you better have a good reason.

My good reason is "bumping to remind the totally awesome OP that there are new ladder maps".

:D

kingcoyote

United States546 Posts

July 28 2011 22:43 GMT

#90

On July 29 2011 07:26 ZeroTalent wrote:

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My good reason is "bumping to remind the totally awesome OP that there are new ladder maps".

:D

You probably should have just PMed the OP...

butter

United States785 Posts

August 02 2011 01:18 GMT

#91

Since it seems to be a commonly used metric, I've measured all the ramp-to-ramp distances. Hopefully it can be educational. I report them here as worker travel time in game-seconds.

+ Show Spoiler [2p and 3p maps] +

Steppes of War		27s

Incineration Zone	30s

Bel'Shir Beach		40s
Blistering Sands	40s
Crossfire SE		39s
Jungle Basin		38s
Testbug			38s
Xel'Naga Caverns	41s
Xel'Naga Fortress	39s

Dual Sight		43s
Starlight Breaker	45s
Scrap Station		46s

Daybreak		48s
Sanshorn Mist AE	49s

Desert Oasis		63s

+ Show Spoiler [4p maps] +

Delta Quadrant		24s (close)
			32s (cross)

Shattered Temple	24s (close)
			34s (close air)
			38s (cross)

Searing Crater		30s (horizontal)
			30s (vertical)
			38s (cross)

Nerazim Crypt		30s (close)
			38s (cross)

Kulas Ravine		33s (vertical)
			36s (horizontal)
			38s (cross)

Lost Temple		26s (close)
			37s (close air)
			40s (cross)

Slag Pits		24s (close)
			34s (close air)
			42s (cross)

Backwater Gulch		35s (close)
			44s (cross)

Crevasse		41s (close)
			44s (cross)

Abyssal Caverns		33s (horizontal)
			34s (vertical)
			45s (cross)

Metalopolis		26s (close)
			33s (12-3)
			36s (9-6)
			43s (9-3)
			46s (12-6)

Typhon Peaks		38s (vertical)
			41s (horizontal)
			46s (cross)

Neo Enigma		40s (close)
			48s (cross)

Shakuras Plateau	42s (11-5)
			45s (horizontal)
			49s (7-1)

Terminus SE		42s (close)
			51s (cross)

Tal'darim Altar LE	43s (close)
			52s (cross)

Antiga Shipyard		43s (close)
			54s (cross)

+ Show Spoiler [Method] +

Create a Multiplayer Custom game,

Mode: 1v1, no opponent, no AI,
Speed: Faster.

(These settings should make no difference, but I haven't tested that.) Pick Protoss.

Right-click a Probe on a mineral patch in an opposing main, then shift-click Stop. Repeat for the other mains.

(In some cases, this will not find an optimal path. Since the shortest possible distance is really what we are interested in, I had to help the pathfinding algorithm in places, either by reversing direction or setting a waypoint.)

Load replay.

Pause replay when Probe crosses the threshhold at the top of the ramp or main entrance. Note the time on the replay timer.

Pause and note the time when Probe reaches the top of the ramp or entrance at the destination.

The rush distance is the difference of these two times.

Sources of error or bias include the precision of the replay timer and judgment of the main entrance crossing.

+ Show Spoiler [Notes] +

The pathing on Tal'darim Altar is 2-3 seconds faster in the clockwise direction.

The pathing between the 4 and 7 o'clock mains on Delta Quadrant is 3-4 seconds slower than optimal in either direction. You can force it to take the shortcut by setting a waypoint at the corner.

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