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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:01 ZidaneTribal wrote: i think lucifron won a tourney a few months ago against nazgul If that is the last Terran player you can recall winning, well then: Houston ... we have a problem ... | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:03 NATO wrote: Most of the players in the end of the TL invitational for US today were Terran. Cauthon taking 2nd place to a zerg. The toss players were eliminated pretty quickly. So I turn this around on you : when have toss done good in a "significant tourney"? Huk, Huk, Huk. Need I mention more? | ||
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McCrank
204 Posts
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SuperXlax
United States197 Posts
He said "significant tourney", even put it in nice quotes for you. :X | ||
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weeeee
Australia71 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:18 BigDates wrote: I think TvZ nearly guarentees a win for a T as long as he plays mech over MMM ATM, unless the Z gets broodlords, But, T can end it before 20 minutes in fairly easily. Umm no, mech in small numbers gets handled easily by roaches and by the time you have enough tanks to move out, zerg has expanded and probably has infestors with np as well. Also if you have a mixed terran army of inf mech and air units the upgrades become a real problem. once zerg ground reaches 3/3/3 before you do its kinda game over as well. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:18 BigDates wrote: I think TvZ nearly guarentees a win for a T as long as he plays mech over MMM ATM, unless the Z gets broodlords, But, T can end it before 20 minutes in fairly easily. Protoss is definatly the strongest.. due to the "Volcano" strategy, which is unbeatable if he can get that high of macro (vortex, forcefield around vortex, let storms and/or collosus shoot inside (storms kills all the air units sucked in instantly), which destroys all army compositions. I've personally never seen this "volcano" strategy used in any high level/high plat ladder game. the resources required to get a mothership is too large of a deterrent to facilitate this strat. A decent opponent will never let the Protoss get "that high of macro." It's a very nice theorycraft strategy to be sure, but generally games will not allow the Protoss to get up to the mothership. Additionally, if your opponent lets you get the resources to tech a mothership, colossi, and storm, and then lets you sit until you have sufficient energy he's probably pretty bad and you could beat him with any other strategy anyways. Additionally, I don't think I've really seen that many Protoss, except White-ra, win that many significant tourneys. More than Terran for sure, but not nearly as many as Zerg. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
I suspect that the terrans simply haven't adapted to the latest patch. Yea, thors are slow, but thor hellion marauder has no real counter except to be outplayed. Marauder marauder marauder and 3 medivacs, however, has some rather obvious counters. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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weeeee
Australia71 Posts
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:32 SuperXlax wrote: He said "significant tourney", even put it in nice quotes for you. :X White-Ra? Then again "significant" is arbitrary, so I dunno... :< | ||
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SuperXlax
United States197 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:46 Kyo Yuy wrote: White-Ra? Then again "significant" is arbitrary, so I dunno... :< Winnar :D | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On May 09 2010 10:49 MorroW wrote: to answer OP's hidden question: yes, terran is the worst race at the moment but its becoming better every patch But we still have millions of people complaining about "imba marauders" :O | ||
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einohr
Germany45 Posts
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:57 Jugan wrote: But we still have millions of people complaining about "imba marauders" :O There are two ways of looking at this: 1) Marauders are good against a lot of things from other races. 2) Without Marauders, Terrans do not have much else they can do, particularly against Protoss. Regardless, Terrans tend to be very Marauder heavy because of these two reasons, which leads non Terrans to feel that Marauders are imba. Terrans respond by saying that without Marauders they don't really have anything viable, which is particularly true in current TvP trends. Marauders are imba because if you lose to a T, chances are he made a ton of marauders. Terrans just don't have as many options in effective unit choices compared to Protoss and to a lesser extent Zerg. | ||
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pyr0ma5ta
United States458 Posts
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prodigy.dts
United States35 Posts
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
I have a 6 scv + thor + 3 hellion + 3 marauder push that is so ridiculous that I've made some high ranked platinum zergs curl up into a fetal position. I can only imagine what a gosu player like cauthonluck or louder would do with this build. Just hope to see it in the future. =) There could be some incredible weakness to this build that I'm not aware of... but I haven't encountered it yet. | ||
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
ZOTAC: Out of 9 ZOTAC-Cups, one has been won by a terran player (DeMuslim, 4th cup) Go4Sc2: Lucifron won monthly final in March, what I'ld actually call significant but it's quite some time ago x_x Really, Terran looks kinda bad on top level results. Verrrry bad  No surprise DeMuslim started switching to Protoss all the time, don't remember who he played against but he even switched to protoss to get a Protoss mirror ( - and won) It's kinda funny, Terran gets buffs all the times, all the other races start crying, for two or three days terra gets nice results - afterwards, everything bounces back and terran starts loosing again. I'ld like to see blizzard doing some crazy experiments especially regarding terran units strength distribution, I mean hey its BETA! ^^ Imo the biggest problems are that there are sooo strong counter units against terran's unit that often limit strategic variation. For example, marines are so weak against protoss once they reached late midgame. Or poor siegetanks which really can't play out their attack strength anymore because, compared to broodwar, all units move smoothly, don't block each other and get in range easily, or just have blink ability. It's not like Terran does not have counters against zerg and protoss unit, but they don't feel so strong that they would completely forbid a whole tech tree. Terran units seem to be too overspecialized so they have huge weak spots. This might not be a problem in single games but over a series of games like in a tournament, it often requires total switch of tactics all the time whereas protoss or Zerg can play their all-purpose-tactics. | ||
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deo.deo
135 Posts
Its either you make some risky (not cheesy but still non standard build) in the beginning to slow zerg down and from there on build an advantage. But if you just play totally straight up standard zerg's insane amount of unit production in late game will just slowly but surely grind you down. | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
On May 09 2010 10:49 MorroW wrote: to answer OP's hidden question: yes, terran is the worst race at the moment but its becoming better every patch I really don't know about that, TBH. I'm far more successful while playing Terran than any other race I guess that doesn't say much about it being the "worst" as you say, or maybe terran is just the race for me o_O | ||
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