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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:05 Klive5ive wrote: I don't understand why you can't see that a good compromise is necessary. What is necessary about forcing players to focus on repetitive and mundane tasks? | ||
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
On April 23 2010 07:59 Archerofaiur wrote: Its about how Spawn Larva has no decision making. Its not about "hard" no one is complaining because its hard. Their complaining because its a terrible mechanic. okay, i thought it was they cant hold with with there hatch and do it from battle edit: why did u put quotes on "hard" i never used the word "hard" in my statement | ||
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Ai52487963
United Kingdom136 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:03 Adeeler wrote: It's quite strange considering R is the dominent phonetic in Larva(LA(R) VA(R)) Build Pylon? Warp in Probe? lolol | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
Zergs macro mechanic is the only one that has a major negative in that every energy above 25 is lost macro potential which the other races do not suffer from at all. It can be argued that heal is a counter to that but that is hardly used all game long in the way spawn larva has to be to be effective. Do you agree that zergs macro mechanic is the strongest out of the 3? Does it make sense that a stronger mechanic should also be harder to pull off? | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:01 Damian wrote: The small logos on the units / buildings (next to the pool/hatch in case of zerg) in your team color. I guess you can unlock them through achievments... well is there any way to disable it? i dont wanna see any custom bullcrap or green circles floating around btw i think its a solid idea to add a sound for zergs when spawn larva is done, i think thats pretty fair as it makes a sound when any other upgrade or unit is done | ||
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Spawkuring
United States755 Posts
More talking about unlisted changes. Especially the new music. Someone needs to post a youtube link of it. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On April 23 2010 07:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: WTF is interface balance? There is nothing "too easy" or "too hard." That's like saying Protoss in BW is "easy," cause you just "1a2a3a." Interface balance is a concept of how easy it is to play a game mechanically. You have RTS games such as dune, cnc1, war2 that are on one spectrum of the interface balance, aka way too hard and hindering input of what you can do in the game. Then you have Starcraft, which is perfectly in between everything (theoretically) as you have a very nice interface, not too easy, but also not so hard. This is why Starcraft has the highest skill differential among top players period. Then you have newer modern games that are very "easy," such as warcraft 3, redalert 3, cnc3, where macro and game input is very easy, almost too easy, such that the skill differential between top players is very little (that goes for cnc games, not war3). So basically, you have the original RTS games that are one end, the newer RTS on the other end of interface balance, and Starcraft right smack dab in the middle. Dune ++++++++++++++ STarcraftBroodWar +++++++++++ cnc/war3/modern RTS and then you have SC2, which Blizzard has designed well enough that I would say from playing/watching has a high skill differential, while also having an easier interface than brood war, but not so easy it takes the skill differential of the game away like many other 1 year life cycle RTS games. so you have: Dune/cnc1 +++++++++++ SC BW ++++++++ SC2 +++++++++ cnc/war3/modern RTS that is interface balance... | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:07 MorroW wrote: well is there any way to disable it? i dont wanna see any custom bullcrap or green circles floating around Well if they're unlocked via achievements you just have to not achieve anything and you're set! | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8868/screenshot014d.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7206/screenshot015g.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8435/screenshot016il.jpg) Units now have ranks. Each unit for each race starts off at a rank. Zerg: Predator Terran: Recruit Protoss: Disciple Not sure if any one cares thought since this thread got derailed into talks about racial imbalance 'n' stuff. | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
The harder for toss the better, everything that gets in the way of 1a for them makes my soul shine =D But in serious'ness all hotkeys should be on the left side of a natural keyboard and Alt+1-6 should be alternate group selection to make up for the non-need of use for 7-0 keys for natural keyboard users. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:04 Captain Peabody wrote: But it's...not a terrible mechanic. If it helps, think of the overall mechanic as simply "Larva management," and Spawn Larva the ability as one of the things involved in that mechanic. The single click isn't everything...it's how the mechanic affects the game itself that matters. And it DOES promote decision-making in different aspects of the game, even if the ability itself is sometimes a no-brainer. Spawn Larva succeeds in allot of ways. But that doesnt make it not a terrible mechanics. You said somtimes the ability is a no-brainer. The ability is almost always a no-brainer. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
its like mind control of dark archon xD | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Unit ranks ^ Damn I love that.. Epic patch this is. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:02 Senx wrote: Do you agree that zergs macro mechanic is the strongest out of the 3? Does it make sense that a stronger mechanic should also be harder to pull off? If the answer is no, I can't really help you. Ok Terran is the new Protoss and Zerg is the new Terran...? :X | ||
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zergporn
Estonia156 Posts
I mean.. let's say for example all of ur queens were on 4 and all ur hatch on 5 - so how u were able to fast switch to ur base locations? 0 9 8 for locations? Or mini-map clicking or maybe even middle button screen move? well thats zerg discussion lol anyways good change. simply because this nerf does not affect me at all, and seems like affects bunch of my opps. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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HOLYCOWBATMAN
Canada51 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:07 Spawkuring wrote: Less whining over yet another macro debate. More talking about unlisted changes. Especially the new music. Someone needs to post a youtube link of it. here is it: Mod edit: Thanks, and here is your temp ban. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:07 avilo wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2010 07:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: WTF is interface balance? There is nothing "too easy" or "too hard." That's like saying Protoss in BW is "easy," cause you just "1a2a3a." Interface balance is a concept of how easy it is to play a game mechanically. You have RTS games such as dune, cnc1, war2 that are on one spectrum of the interface balance, aka way too hard and hindering input of what you can do in the game. Then you have Starcraft, which is perfectly in between everything (theoretically) as you have a very nice interface, not too easy, but also not so hard. This is why Starcraft has the highest skill differential among top players period. Then you have newer modern games that are very "easy," such as warcraft 3, redalert 3, cnc3, where macro and game input is very easy, almost too easy, such that the skill differential between top players is very little (that goes for cnc games, not war3). So basically, you have the original RTS games that are one end, the newer RTS on the other end of interface balance, and Starcraft right smack dab in the middle. Dune ++++++++++++++ STarcraftBroodWar +++++++++++ cnc/war3/modern RTS and then you have SC2, which Blizzard has designed well enough that I would say from playing/watching has a high skill differential, while also having an easier interface than brood war, but not so easy it takes the skill differential of the game away like many other 1 year life cycle RTS games. so you have: Dune/cnc1 +++++++++++ SC BW ++++++++ SC2 +++++++++ cnc/war3/modern RTS that is interface balance... That is an absurd concept. As far as I'm concerned, when X years from now and we can link minds with our computers, that is when RTS games can be perfected. How/fast.well you can physically input something should have absolutely no bearing on a strategy game. Interface should not, if possible, ever be a limiting/differentiating factor in "skill." | ||
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:11 zergporn wrote: i can't get it. how u guys used that wireframe thing? I mean.. let's say for example all of ur queens were on 4 and all ur hatch on 5 - so how u were able to fast switch to ur base locations? 0 9 8 for locations? Or mini-map clicking or maybe even middle button screen move? well thats zerg discussion lol First of all, that's not how you use wire frame for larva injection. Second, you would for example have all hatches on 4 to produce, and quee1+hatch1 on 5, and u could hit r+click on the hatch in the wire frame. So on and so forth. | ||
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