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On April 19 2010 08:22 muta_micro wrote:
I think I deserve a beta-key because I'm new to TL and haven't contributed anything to the site yet, so it would be extremely funny to give one to me. Also I promise to log on more often regardless of whether I receive a key or not.
You better should have said im gonna organize a sc2 beta tournament with 10k $ prize pool, hehe.
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On April 19 2010 08:14 Zeri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:00 getSome[703] wrote:On April 19 2010 07:30 Zeri wrote:On April 19 2010 07:23 getSome[703] wrote:
I don't think selfless acts necessarily have to be irrational.
Here is an example: I would like a beta key. However, day9 deserves a beta key more than I do, because he contributes more. By my rational, I will withdraw from the contest because by my rational, someone deserves a beta key more than I do. It's not selfless to give up your key to Day9. Yes, at first glance you are sacrificing your immediate needs in favor of someone else's. In long term, (if you have sufficiently proven that indeed day9 is more deserving) You have done an act which will benefit the community. And you benefit greatly from the community. Therefore not selfless. I think you and crate are taking my day9 example a little out of context here. By day9, I meant giving the key to someone who contributes to the community and because of that is overall more deserving of a beta key. I certainly did not imply it to mean "someone who will take the beta key and use it to provide more to me and the community." Giving key to someone who is more deserving, reason for opting out: selfless, rational. Not selfless. If you have proved that they are more deserving, there is a reason that they are more deserving. That reason is undoubtedly positive (they have worked hard, they give back, they are just plain good), and this action of rewarding them or giving them something will benefit some aspect of the community (to take it further, will benefit some aspect of the world). You do receive benefits from a benefited community (world). Now. A truly selfless action would be to give a key to someone who will do something negative with it (lets go to extremes and say they will murder someone). Now if you still sacrificed your own needs for this person. Yes this would be selfless (and irrational!) If it is not blatantly obvious, yes I do think selfishness is a good thing, but it must be thought out.
Sighhh. This is entirely wrong. -_-
Exaggerated example to make point: Person A takes a bullet for person B. Person B has contributed to the world significantly, and will likely continue to do so. Taking a bullet is equivalent to giving away a beta key. Contributing to the world is equivalent to contributing to the SC community. The act remains selfless. Person A may die and not receive the benefits of Person's B contributions, just as someone who passes up a beta key may never get into beta. I think you are making much, much more of this than it is.
The act of passing up a beta key in order for someone else to acquire it is selfless no matter what the other person makes of it. But if they go on to do something stupid with it or not contribute (or like you say, murder?) then it is still a selfless action, just stupid.
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Bow down Hot_Bid. Seriously this was a genius idea. I step down. I couldn't live with myself if nobody got the keys.
Edit: The PM was mean thou. Some of us don't get many and my heart skipped a beat when I saw I had one.
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On April 19 2010 08:25 cloudJR wrote:
This is how I look at this situation for most of the people still opting in. They want a beta key because they can't just run to the store and buy it. It's like I have to be special to have one. So they compete in every competition they see or hear from their friends and are still on the outside looking in.
Here is where I explain why I really feel like I should continue to opt-in with a chance to get a key. First and foremost I have never made an effort to compete for one beta key. I looked at it like well it will come out eventually, and I'm not going to kiss someone's ass to get one. Then I came across this site and absolutely fell in love with it. No joke I hardly ever turn my TV on because I'm always watching a stream and participating in every chat (I'm a big Orb fan lol). When I noticed this giveaway the first thing that came to mind was, "Wow if I had a key, I could actually contribute to this site." I mean lets be honest, who wants to listen to someone talk about build orders when they aren't even able to play the game? Yes I am new but I feel like everyone looks at "noobs" to this site as scavengers just looking for a hand-out. I explained to a higher up in a PM, not because I'm new doesn't mean I have nothing to offer. All of you were new to this site at some point. I have no doubt in my mind that whether I receive a key or not I want to become a strong and consistent member of TL.
So take that however you want, and sorry this message is so damn long lol. I just feel like I should explain why I'm still participating.
I should've done this to begin with lol. Same here except I contributed a lot. Plus, I watch 20+ vods/streams a day of SCII and only play the SCI campaign to get familiar with what happened before SCII
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On April 19 2010 08:26 getSome[703] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:14 Zeri wrote:On April 19 2010 08:00 getSome[703] wrote:On April 19 2010 07:30 Zeri wrote:On April 19 2010 07:23 getSome[703] wrote:
I don't think selfless acts necessarily have to be irrational.
Here is an example: I would like a beta key. However, day9 deserves a beta key more than I do, because he contributes more. By my rational, I will withdraw from the contest because by my rational, someone deserves a beta key more than I do. It's not selfless to give up your key to Day9. Yes, at first glance you are sacrificing your immediate needs in favor of someone else's. In long term, (if you have sufficiently proven that indeed day9 is more deserving) You have done an act which will benefit the community. And you benefit greatly from the community. Therefore not selfless. I think you and crate are taking my day9 example a little out of context here. By day9, I meant giving the key to someone who contributes to the community and because of that is overall more deserving of a beta key. I certainly did not imply it to mean "someone who will take the beta key and use it to provide more to me and the community." Giving key to someone who is more deserving, reason for opting out: selfless, rational. Not selfless. If you have proved that they are more deserving, there is a reason that they are more deserving. That reason is undoubtedly positive (they have worked hard, they give back, they are just plain good), and this action of rewarding them or giving them something will benefit some aspect of the community (to take it further, will benefit some aspect of the world). You do receive benefits from a benefited community (world). Now. A truly selfless action would be to give a key to someone who will do something negative with it (lets go to extremes and say they will murder someone). Now if you still sacrificed your own needs for this person. Yes this would be selfless (and irrational!) If it is not blatantly obvious, yes I do think selfishness is a good thing, but it must be thought out. Sighhh. This is entirely wrong. -_- Exaggerated example to make point: Person A takes a bullet for person B. Person B has contributed to the world significantly, and will likely continue to do so. Taking a bullet is equivalent to giving away a beta key. Contributing to the world is equivalent to contributing to the SC community. The act remains selfless. Person A may die and not receive the benefits of Person's B contributions, just as someone who passes up a beta key may never get into beta. I think you are making much, much more of this than it is. The act of passing up a beta key in order for someone else to acquire it is selfless no matter what the other person makes of it. But if they go on to do something stupid with it or not contribute (or like you say, murder?) then it is still a selfless action, just stupid.
It doesn't have to be an exaggerated example. Instead of murder I could have said 'plans to use the given key to map hack'
The point is, taking a bullet does not remain selfless. If you are doing it for good reason, you will see a benefit in the end. In a sense, any action done to make the world a better place will in turn make the world more enjoyable to live in. You live in the world.... you get the point?
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On April 19 2010 08:28 Arhkangel wrote:
Bow down Hot_Bid. Seriously this was a genius idea. I step down. I couldn't live with myself if nobody got the keys.
Actually, that's the spirit of being able to 'game' back, if you get what im saying. This competition has had some realy bad factors, however, agree the entertainment is delivered 
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On April 19 2010 08:25 StinkyBoots wrote:I don't know if its to late to opt in. I was gone for one day, "Parents 50th birthday", and I miss it XD Well if i can still opt in I'd like too. Oh BTW A big thank you too eXigent whom sent me a beautiful PM. Show nested quote +LOL You typed that huge long post in the "nominate someone to win a beta key" thread, and it's all for nothing. Teamliquid will never ever give away a betakey to someone with less than a thousand posts, especially someone who comes out of the blue and just nominates themselves. Big waste of time dude.....just like every single other person who nominated themselves.....they wont be getting anything at all due to the complete douchbaggery of actually nominating yourself...especially with your first fucking post on the website ROFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFL Thanks Buddy Thumbs Up
Lol they already gave out keys to forum newbies 
So Mr. eXigent is wrong.
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On April 19 2010 08:32 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:25 cloudJR wrote:
This is how I look at this situation for most of the people still opting in. They want a beta key because they can't just run to the store and buy it. It's like I have to be special to have one. So they compete in every competition they see or hear from their friends and are still on the outside looking in.
Here is where I explain why I really feel like I should continue to opt-in with a chance to get a key. First and foremost I have never made an effort to compete for one beta key. I looked at it like well it will come out eventually, and I'm not going to kiss someone's ass to get one. Then I came across this site and absolutely fell in love with it. No joke I hardly ever turn my TV on because I'm always watching a stream and participating in every chat (I'm a big Orb fan lol). When I noticed this giveaway the first thing that came to mind was, "Wow if I had a key, I could actually contribute to this site." I mean lets be honest, who wants to listen to someone talk about build orders when they aren't even able to play the game? Yes I am new but I feel like everyone looks at "noobs" to this site as scavengers just looking for a hand-out. I explained to a higher up in a PM, not because I'm new doesn't mean I have nothing to offer. All of you were new to this site at some point. I have no doubt in my mind that whether I receive a key or not I want to become a strong and consistent member of TL.
So take that however you want, and sorry this message is so damn long lol. I just feel like I should explain why I'm still participating. I should've done this to begin with lol. Same here except I contributed a lot. Plus, I watch 20+ vods/streams a day of SCII and only play the SCI campaign to get familiar with what happened before SCII
Lol same here. I know I said this in an earlier post, but this is the first time in my life I've ever blogged before. That being said I never knew how important participating in threads really matter in the eyes of Mods and other veteran members.
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On April 19 2010 08:28 Arhkangel wrote:
Bow down Hot_Bid. Seriously this was a genius idea. I step down. I couldn't live with myself if nobody got the keys.
LOL @ thinking the keys will be lost forever if too few people opt out.
I would be thinking:
"Is this contest real?"
If yes, opt-in or opt-out.
If no, do nothing and enjoy the show.
"What is this contest getting at? Was I too greedy?"
If yes, opt out.
If no, stay in.
"Will I be shunned by the community for staying in?"
If yes, opt out.
If no, stay in.
"Do the people in that list deserve the key more than me?"
If yes, opt out.
If no, stay in to either win or make the keys be distributed again via another contest.
"Are the opt-inners really going to win?"
If yes, opt-in.
If no, opt-out.
"Are the opt-outers going to win?"
If yes, opt-out.
If no, stay in.
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I don't want to be purely selfless(just putting this out there) as I will spend most of my time testing things posted in the SCII strat forum(for instance the proxy creep tumor idea) and watching vods of SCII as well as contributing as much as I can to the forums and helping out forum goers in both the SC1 and SCII strategy help threads and commenting on guides/ helping in the developing of guides. I truly am a very good person even though I do some things I know I shouldn't(and regret)on the web but in real life I am fully a very good person and just want to help the community as much as I can in every way I can.
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On April 19 2010 08:33 Zeri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:26 getSome[703] wrote:On April 19 2010 08:14 Zeri wrote:On April 19 2010 08:00 getSome[703] wrote:On April 19 2010 07:30 Zeri wrote:On April 19 2010 07:23 getSome[703] wrote:
I don't think selfless acts necessarily have to be irrational.
Here is an example: I would like a beta key. However, day9 deserves a beta key more than I do, because he contributes more. By my rational, I will withdraw from the contest because by my rational, someone deserves a beta key more than I do. It's not selfless to give up your key to Day9. Yes, at first glance you are sacrificing your immediate needs in favor of someone else's. In long term, (if you have sufficiently proven that indeed day9 is more deserving) You have done an act which will benefit the community. And you benefit greatly from the community. Therefore not selfless. I think you and crate are taking my day9 example a little out of context here. By day9, I meant giving the key to someone who contributes to the community and because of that is overall more deserving of a beta key. I certainly did not imply it to mean "someone who will take the beta key and use it to provide more to me and the community." Giving key to someone who is more deserving, reason for opting out: selfless, rational. Not selfless. If you have proved that they are more deserving, there is a reason that they are more deserving. That reason is undoubtedly positive (they have worked hard, they give back, they are just plain good), and this action of rewarding them or giving them something will benefit some aspect of the community (to take it further, will benefit some aspect of the world). You do receive benefits from a benefited community (world). Now. A truly selfless action would be to give a key to someone who will do something negative with it (lets go to extremes and say they will murder someone). Now if you still sacrificed your own needs for this person. Yes this would be selfless (and irrational!) If it is not blatantly obvious, yes I do think selfishness is a good thing, but it must be thought out. Sighhh. This is entirely wrong. -_- Exaggerated example to make point: Person A takes a bullet for person B. Person B has contributed to the world significantly, and will likely continue to do so. Taking a bullet is equivalent to giving away a beta key. Contributing to the world is equivalent to contributing to the SC community. The act remains selfless. Person A may die and not receive the benefits of Person's B contributions, just as someone who passes up a beta key may never get into beta. I think you are making much, much more of this than it is. The act of passing up a beta key in order for someone else to acquire it is selfless no matter what the other person makes of it. But if they go on to do something stupid with it or not contribute (or like you say, murder?) then it is still a selfless action, just stupid. It doesn't have to be an exaggerated example. Instead of murder I could have said 'plans to use the given key to map hack' The point is, taking a bullet does not remain selfless. If you are doing it for good reason, you will see a benefit in the end. In a sense, any action done to make the world a better place will in turn make the world more enjoyable to live in. You live in the world.... you get the point?
Right now, you're arguing that taking a bullet for someone is not selfless. Last post about this for me, your stance on this is ridiculous.
Person A may die and not receive the benefits of Person's B contributions, just as someone who passes up a beta key may never get into beta. I think you are making much, much more of this than it is.
If Person A dies, they will NOT live in the world which may be made a better place. Just as if Person A sacrifices a beta key, they may not get the benefits from Person B's contributions.
Taking a bullet for someone is selfless, just as giving up a beta key is -_-
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Oh this is an awesome thread, people trying to moralise a decision about a competition.
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On April 19 2010 08:39 Duckvillelol wrote:
Oh this is an awesome thread, people trying to moralise a decision about a competition.
I know, we're having so much fun! Why don't you join in! You must, you must! I insist!
edit: bad grammar
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On April 19 2010 08:36 cloudJR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:32 3FFA wrote:On April 19 2010 08:25 cloudJR wrote:
This is how I look at this situation for most of the people still opting in. They want a beta key because they can't just run to the store and buy it. It's like I have to be special to have one. So they compete in every competition they see or hear from their friends and are still on the outside looking in.
Here is where I explain why I really feel like I should continue to opt-in with a chance to get a key. First and foremost I have never made an effort to compete for one beta key. I looked at it like well it will come out eventually, and I'm not going to kiss someone's ass to get one. Then I came across this site and absolutely fell in love with it. No joke I hardly ever turn my TV on because I'm always watching a stream and participating in every chat (I'm a big Orb fan lol). When I noticed this giveaway the first thing that came to mind was, "Wow if I had a key, I could actually contribute to this site." I mean lets be honest, who wants to listen to someone talk about build orders when they aren't even able to play the game? Yes I am new but I feel like everyone looks at "noobs" to this site as scavengers just looking for a hand-out. I explained to a higher up in a PM, not because I'm new doesn't mean I have nothing to offer. All of you were new to this site at some point. I have no doubt in my mind that whether I receive a key or not I want to become a strong and consistent member of TL.
So take that however you want, and sorry this message is so damn long lol. I just feel like I should explain why I'm still participating. I should've done this to begin with lol. Same here except I contributed a lot. Plus, I watch 20+ vods/streams a day of SCII and only play the SCI campaign to get familiar with what happened before SCII Lol same here. I know I said this in an earlier post, but this is the first time in my life I've ever blogged before. That being said I never knew how important participating in threads really matter in the eyes of Mods and other veteran members.
I don't really mean to flame you, but something you said is pretty obvious in the sense of a new user like you (and me). I think that participating in threads is the point of being a tl.net member. I mean, what else would the point be? Just make an account and wait til a contest like this comes up and start posting that you want to be in it. No, imo (even though i am a new user and still getting adjusted) looking good and posting quality posts is very important in the eyes of veterans.
I mean many people have just made an account just for this sole reason, winning a beta key, which in its own right is unfair to people like flamewheel91 (why do i keep using you as an example??? who have made a good 2000 posts.
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I'm going to have way more fun playing SC2 Beta then posting in this thread.
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On April 19 2010 08:38 getSome[703] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:33 Zeri wrote:On April 19 2010 08:26 getSome[703] wrote:On April 19 2010 08:14 Zeri wrote:On April 19 2010 08:00 getSome[703] wrote:On April 19 2010 07:30 Zeri wrote:On April 19 2010 07:23 getSome[703] wrote:
I don't think selfless acts necessarily have to be irrational.
Here is an example: I would like a beta key. However, day9 deserves a beta key more than I do, because he contributes more. By my rational, I will withdraw from the contest because by my rational, someone deserves a beta key more than I do. It's not selfless to give up your key to Day9. Yes, at first glance you are sacrificing your immediate needs in favor of someone else's. In long term, (if you have sufficiently proven that indeed day9 is more deserving) You have done an act which will benefit the community. And you benefit greatly from the community. Therefore not selfless. I think you and crate are taking my day9 example a little out of context here. By day9, I meant giving the key to someone who contributes to the community and because of that is overall more deserving of a beta key. I certainly did not imply it to mean "someone who will take the beta key and use it to provide more to me and the community." Giving key to someone who is more deserving, reason for opting out: selfless, rational. Not selfless. If you have proved that they are more deserving, there is a reason that they are more deserving. That reason is undoubtedly positive (they have worked hard, they give back, they are just plain good), and this action of rewarding them or giving them something will benefit some aspect of the community (to take it further, will benefit some aspect of the world). You do receive benefits from a benefited community (world). Now. A truly selfless action would be to give a key to someone who will do something negative with it (lets go to extremes and say they will murder someone). Now if you still sacrificed your own needs for this person. Yes this would be selfless (and irrational!) If it is not blatantly obvious, yes I do think selfishness is a good thing, but it must be thought out. Sighhh. This is entirely wrong. -_- Exaggerated example to make point: Person A takes a bullet for person B. Person B has contributed to the world significantly, and will likely continue to do so. Taking a bullet is equivalent to giving away a beta key. Contributing to the world is equivalent to contributing to the SC community. The act remains selfless. Person A may die and not receive the benefits of Person's B contributions, just as someone who passes up a beta key may never get into beta. I think you are making much, much more of this than it is. The act of passing up a beta key in order for someone else to acquire it is selfless no matter what the other person makes of it. But if they go on to do something stupid with it or not contribute (or like you say, murder?) then it is still a selfless action, just stupid. It doesn't have to be an exaggerated example. Instead of murder I could have said 'plans to use the given key to map hack' The point is, taking a bullet does not remain selfless. If you are doing it for good reason, you will see a benefit in the end. In a sense, any action done to make the world a better place will in turn make the world more enjoyable to live in. You live in the world.... you get the point? Right now, you're arguing that taking a bullet for someone is not selfless. Last post about this for me, your stance on this is ridiculous. Person A may die and not receive the benefits of Person's B contributions, just as someone who passes up a beta key may never get into beta. I think you are making much, much more of this than it is. If Person A dies, they will NOT live in the world which may be made a better place. Just as if Person A sacrifices a beta key, they may not get the benefits from Person B's contributions. Taking a bullet for someone is selfless, just as giving up a beta key is -_-
Bringing the prospect of death into this discussion changes it a bit, yes, in most cases that would be selfless. I agree with you. I was operating under the assumption the 'selfless' person would live because that is what we are dealing with here with beta keys.
Dying changes everything and yes you would be right. But there is not prospect of death in the point we are discussing - beta keys. And if the prospect of death is not imminent then I see no way a rational action could be selfless.
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On April 19 2010 08:42 Housemd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:36 cloudJR wrote:On April 19 2010 08:32 3FFA wrote:On April 19 2010 08:25 cloudJR wrote:
This is how I look at this situation for most of the people still opting in. They want a beta key because they can't just run to the store and buy it. It's like I have to be special to have one. So they compete in every competition they see or hear from their friends and are still on the outside looking in.
Here is where I explain why I really feel like I should continue to opt-in with a chance to get a key. First and foremost I have never made an effort to compete for one beta key. I looked at it like well it will come out eventually, and I'm not going to kiss someone's ass to get one. Then I came across this site and absolutely fell in love with it. No joke I hardly ever turn my TV on because I'm always watching a stream and participating in every chat (I'm a big Orb fan lol). When I noticed this giveaway the first thing that came to mind was, "Wow if I had a key, I could actually contribute to this site." I mean lets be honest, who wants to listen to someone talk about build orders when they aren't even able to play the game? Yes I am new but I feel like everyone looks at "noobs" to this site as scavengers just looking for a hand-out. I explained to a higher up in a PM, not because I'm new doesn't mean I have nothing to offer. All of you were new to this site at some point. I have no doubt in my mind that whether I receive a key or not I want to become a strong and consistent member of TL.
So take that however you want, and sorry this message is so damn long lol. I just feel like I should explain why I'm still participating. I should've done this to begin with lol. Same here except I contributed a lot. Plus, I watch 20+ vods/streams a day of SCII and only play the SCI campaign to get familiar with what happened before SCII Lol same here. I know I said this in an earlier post, but this is the first time in my life I've ever blogged before. That being said I never knew how important participating in threads really matter in the eyes of Mods and other veteran members. I don't really mean to flame you, but something you said is pretty obvious in the sense of a new user like you (and me). I think that participating in threads is the point of being a tl.net member. I mean, what else would the point be? Just make an account and wait til a contest like this comes up and start posting that you want to be in it. No, imo (even though i am a new user and still getting adjusted) looking good and posting quality posts is very important in the eyes of veterans. I mean many people have just made an account just for this sole reason, winning a beta key, which in its own right is unfair to people like flamewheel91 (why do i keep using you as an example??? who have made a good 2000 posts.
This great message by Housemd has been brought to you by... The 3FFA foundation.
But seriously, I totally agree with this post. You keep using flamewheel91 for an example because flameweel91 is an awesome forum user.
I also don't understand why people would make names on sites just to get a key. I want a key but you don't see me going on twitter or face book and signing up just to get a key!
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On April 19 2010 08:44 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:42 Housemd wrote:On April 19 2010 08:36 cloudJR wrote:On April 19 2010 08:32 3FFA wrote:On April 19 2010 08:25 cloudJR wrote:
This is how I look at this situation for most of the people still opting in. They want a beta key because they can't just run to the store and buy it. It's like I have to be special to have one. So they compete in every competition they see or hear from their friends and are still on the outside looking in.
Here is where I explain why I really feel like I should continue to opt-in with a chance to get a key. First and foremost I have never made an effort to compete for one beta key. I looked at it like well it will come out eventually, and I'm not going to kiss someone's ass to get one. Then I came across this site and absolutely fell in love with it. No joke I hardly ever turn my TV on because I'm always watching a stream and participating in every chat (I'm a big Orb fan lol). When I noticed this giveaway the first thing that came to mind was, "Wow if I had a key, I could actually contribute to this site." I mean lets be honest, who wants to listen to someone talk about build orders when they aren't even able to play the game? Yes I am new but I feel like everyone looks at "noobs" to this site as scavengers just looking for a hand-out. I explained to a higher up in a PM, not because I'm new doesn't mean I have nothing to offer. All of you were new to this site at some point. I have no doubt in my mind that whether I receive a key or not I want to become a strong and consistent member of TL.
So take that however you want, and sorry this message is so damn long lol. I just feel like I should explain why I'm still participating. I should've done this to begin with lol. Same here except I contributed a lot. Plus, I watch 20+ vods/streams a day of SCII and only play the SCI campaign to get familiar with what happened before SCII Lol same here. I know I said this in an earlier post, but this is the first time in my life I've ever blogged before. That being said I never knew how important participating in threads really matter in the eyes of Mods and other veteran members. I don't really mean to flame you, but something you said is pretty obvious in the sense of a new user like you (and me). I think that participating in threads is the point of being a tl.net member. I mean, what else would the point be? Just make an account and wait til a contest like this comes up and start posting that you want to be in it. No, imo (even though i am a new user and still getting adjusted) looking good and posting quality posts is very important in the eyes of veterans. I mean many people have just made an account just for this sole reason, winning a beta key, which in its own right is unfair to people like flamewheel91 (why do i keep using you as an example??? who have made a good 2000 posts. This great message by Housemd has been brought to you by... The 3FFA foundation. But seriously, I totally agree with this post. You keep using flamewheel91 for an example because flameweel91 is an awesome forum user.
Its not that 91 is a good forum user, he also is a selfless person. He could have easily nominated himself if he wanted to (and probably won) but he just didn't. This guy is the fucking future of TL.NET.
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On April 19 2010 08:47 Housemd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:44 3FFA wrote:On April 19 2010 08:42 Housemd wrote:On April 19 2010 08:36 cloudJR wrote:On April 19 2010 08:32 3FFA wrote:On April 19 2010 08:25 cloudJR wrote:
This is how I look at this situation for most of the people still opting in. They want a beta key because they can't just run to the store and buy it. It's like I have to be special to have one. So they compete in every competition they see or hear from their friends and are still on the outside looking in.
Here is where I explain why I really feel like I should continue to opt-in with a chance to get a key. First and foremost I have never made an effort to compete for one beta key. I looked at it like well it will come out eventually, and I'm not going to kiss someone's ass to get one. Then I came across this site and absolutely fell in love with it. No joke I hardly ever turn my TV on because I'm always watching a stream and participating in every chat (I'm a big Orb fan lol). When I noticed this giveaway the first thing that came to mind was, "Wow if I had a key, I could actually contribute to this site." I mean lets be honest, who wants to listen to someone talk about build orders when they aren't even able to play the game? Yes I am new but I feel like everyone looks at "noobs" to this site as scavengers just looking for a hand-out. I explained to a higher up in a PM, not because I'm new doesn't mean I have nothing to offer. All of you were new to this site at some point. I have no doubt in my mind that whether I receive a key or not I want to become a strong and consistent member of TL.
So take that however you want, and sorry this message is so damn long lol. I just feel like I should explain why I'm still participating. I should've done this to begin with lol. Same here except I contributed a lot. Plus, I watch 20+ vods/streams a day of SCII and only play the SCI campaign to get familiar with what happened before SCII Lol same here. I know I said this in an earlier post, but this is the first time in my life I've ever blogged before. That being said I never knew how important participating in threads really matter in the eyes of Mods and other veteran members. I don't really mean to flame you, but something you said is pretty obvious in the sense of a new user like you (and me). I think that participating in threads is the point of being a tl.net member. I mean, what else would the point be? Just make an account and wait til a contest like this comes up and start posting that you want to be in it. No, imo (even though i am a new user and still getting adjusted) looking good and posting quality posts is very important in the eyes of veterans. I mean many people have just made an account just for this sole reason, winning a beta key, which in its own right is unfair to people like flamewheel91 (why do i keep using you as an example??? who have made a good 2000 posts. This great message by Housemd has been brought to you by... The 3FFA foundation. But seriously, I totally agree with this post. You keep using flamewheel91 for an example because flameweel91 is an awesome forum user. Its not that 91 is a good forum user, he also is a selfless person. He could have easily nominated himself if he wanted to (and probably won) but he just didn't. This guy is the fucking future of TL.NET.
No, Liquid'Nazgul is. He is the past, the present, and the future of TL.net
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On April 19 2010 08:42 Housemd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:36 cloudJR wrote:On April 19 2010 08:32 3FFA wrote:On April 19 2010 08:25 cloudJR wrote:
This is how I look at this situation for most of the people still opting in. They want a beta key because they can't just run to the store and buy it. It's like I have to be special to have one. So they compete in every competition they see or hear from their friends and are still on the outside looking in.
Here is where I explain why I really feel like I should continue to opt-in with a chance to get a key. First and foremost I have never made an effort to compete for one beta key. I looked at it like well it will come out eventually, and I'm not going to kiss someone's ass to get one. Then I came across this site and absolutely fell in love with it. No joke I hardly ever turn my TV on because I'm always watching a stream and participating in every chat (I'm a big Orb fan lol). When I noticed this giveaway the first thing that came to mind was, "Wow if I had a key, I could actually contribute to this site." I mean lets be honest, who wants to listen to someone talk about build orders when they aren't even able to play the game? Yes I am new but I feel like everyone looks at "noobs" to this site as scavengers just looking for a hand-out. I explained to a higher up in a PM, not because I'm new doesn't mean I have nothing to offer. All of you were new to this site at some point. I have no doubt in my mind that whether I receive a key or not I want to become a strong and consistent member of TL.
So take that however you want, and sorry this message is so damn long lol. I just feel like I should explain why I'm still participating. I should've done this to begin with lol. Same here except I contributed a lot. Plus, I watch 20+ vods/streams a day of SCII and only play the SCI campaign to get familiar with what happened before SCII Lol same here. I know I said this in an earlier post, but this is the first time in my life I've ever blogged before. That being said I never knew how important participating in threads really matter in the eyes of Mods and other veteran members. I don't really mean to flame you, but something you said is pretty obvious in the sense of a new user like you (and me). I think that participating in threads is the point of being a tl.net member. I mean, what else would the point be? Just make an account and wait til a contest like this comes up and start posting that you want to be in it. No, imo (even though i am a new user and still getting adjusted) looking good and posting quality posts is very important in the eyes of veterans. I mean many people have just made an account just for this sole reason, winning a beta key, which in its own right is unfair to people like flamewheel91 (why do i keep using you as an example??? who have made a good 2000 posts.
Lol that's not what I was trying to say. Everyone that is talking down to people like you and I only point out that we have only posted to this contest. I don't know about you, but I became a member before this giveaway was even posted. I wasn't saying it like I'm going to post something everyday on every new post just so everyone looks at me as a predominate member of TL lol. There are many other ways than just posting to threads to contribute to this site.
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