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On April 18 2010 13:19 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:15 silentguy wrote:On April 18 2010 13:14 Megalisk wrote:On April 18 2010 13:05 IndecisivePenguin wrote:So even if no one got keys, we got a lot of lurkers out of the dark, eh?  Most of them won't be back if they don't win lol. Nah. Even if I don't win, I'll be back. Doesn't matter if I win or lose, I just want to give it a shot ya know? I doubt you speak for most of the people still in this, but we shall see. I'd say that that Megalisk's statement isn't a bad guess given that about half of the people didn't stick around long enough to even grace this thread with an opt-in or opt-out.
They're gone by now, right?
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On April 18 2010 13:21 silentguy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:19 Boblion wrote:
I hope that the mods will give the keys to the first people who have desisted. remember the rules of the game... I do appreciate people's sacrifice. Thanks to all who quit. You have made my chances of winning better. Wish there was some way to pay them back.
By sticking around and becoming a long-standing contributing member of the community? 
On April 18 2010 13:21 IndecisivePenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:19 TheYango wrote:On April 18 2010 13:15 silentguy wrote:On April 18 2010 13:14 Megalisk wrote:On April 18 2010 13:05 IndecisivePenguin wrote:So even if no one got keys, we got a lot of lurkers out of the dark, eh? Most of them won't be back if they don't win lol. Nah. Even if I don't win, I'll be back. Doesn't matter if I win or lose, I just want to give it a shot ya know? I doubt you speak for most of the people still in this, but we shall see. I'd say that that Megalisk's statement isn't a bad guess given that about half of the people didn't stick around long enough to even grace this thread with an opt-in or opt-out. They're gone by now, right?
Yeah, but the point still stands. The majority of "lurkers" that made accounts still only did so for this purpose.
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This contest is wicked, in every sense of the word.
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I'm in it to the end! I want the beta like a fat kid wants cake.
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On April 18 2010 13:22 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:21 silentguy wrote:On April 18 2010 13:19 Boblion wrote:
I hope that the mods will give the keys to the first people who have desisted. remember the rules of the game... I do appreciate people's sacrifice. Thanks to all who quit. You have made my chances of winning better. Wish there was some way to pay them back. By sticking around and becoming a long-standing contributing member of the community? Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:21 IndecisivePenguin wrote:On April 18 2010 13:19 TheYango wrote:On April 18 2010 13:15 silentguy wrote:On April 18 2010 13:14 Megalisk wrote:On April 18 2010 13:05 IndecisivePenguin wrote:So even if no one got keys, we got a lot of lurkers out of the dark, eh? Most of them won't be back if they don't win lol. Nah. Even if I don't win, I'll be back. Doesn't matter if I win or lose, I just want to give it a shot ya know? I doubt you speak for most of the people still in this, but we shall see. I'd say that that Megalisk's statement isn't a bad guess given that about half of the people didn't stick around long enough to even grace this thread with an opt-in or opt-out. They're gone by now, right? Yeah, but the point still stands. The majority of "lurkers" that made accounts still only did so for this purpose.
Well we weeded them out. 
For the rest of you, I have expectations! :O
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Grrr. It's been like 30mins without anyone to argue with. So I'll sum up my thoughts.
The Original Contest
It's intended to be based on worth measured by the quality and quantity of contribution you have made to this community.
People who've been nominated by others are generally more deserving.
People who nominated themselves are generally less deserving.
It shouldn't matter how you were nominated however, your contribution is all that should matter despite these correlations.
This Thread
It unfairly groups deserving people who nominated themselves with less deserving people who nominated themselves. It also unecessarily patronizes new members from sticking around in this community, potentially hurting TL - but we'll never know this. It claims to offer people who made a mistake in nominating themselves a way to redeem themselves by choosing to opt-out, when it is their intention that matters, not their decision. Let's not forget, It is highly entertaining.
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On April 18 2010 13:28 Cheree wrote:
It also unecessarily patronizes new members from sticking around in this community, potentially hurting TL - but we'll never know this.
Diplomatic way to put it. :D
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On April 18 2010 13:28 Cheree wrote:
Grrr. It's been like 30mins without anyone to argue with. So I'll sum up my thoughts.
The Original Contest
It's intended to be based on worth measured by the quality and quantity of contribution you have made to this community.
People who've been nominated by others are generally more deserving.
People who nominated themselves are generally less deserving.
It shouldn't matter how you were nominated however, your contribution is all that should matter despite these correlations.
This Thread
It unfairly groups deserving people who nominated themselves with less deserving people who nominated themselves. It also unecessarily patronizes new members from sticking around in this community, potentially hurting TL - but we'll never know this. It claims to offer people who made a mistake in nominating themselves a way to redeem themselves by choosing to opt-out, when it is their intention that matters, not their decision. Let's not forget, It is highly entertaining.
That is precisely why I *refused* to self-nominate; if my posts had been judged to have merit, I would have been nominated by the rest of the membership; since they obviously weren't, that means I have to work harder. It's that simple.
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On April 18 2010 10:13 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:
I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? What did you expect to be sorted out? As was stated before, there are plenty of new site members who figured out what this was all about, and respectfully dropped out of the running, avoiding ridicule. Those who think they can just stick it out in here are obviously making a statement about how much they think they deserve this key and are not interested in contributing to the site. Obviously people will be hostile to them--why would we care to have members who are not interested in contributing to the site?
There are plenty of people still on the list that have made perhaps a single comment indicating that s/he will stay in, and will make another reply at appointed time again to stay in. Those are the ones that will never again contribute to the site, and simply have no care for the ramifications of being hated by this community. Having the rest of us leave is simply a boon for them, because they will receive their keys and their intentions will have been resolved. If anything, the people that do care about justified distribution of keys should stay in to prevent this.
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I am actually wondering how to get on this list then haha, wish i would have been selfish as annonimity will allow some people to get away with this. I mean honor is awesome, but people are selfish... I guess i have no hope
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On April 18 2010 13:18 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:05 jellyfish wrote:On April 18 2010 12:38 Jugan wrote:On April 18 2010 11:36 silentguy wrote:
I DO want a beta key. 1. Please nobody scorn me over this? I'm a pretty big noob and I realize that I probably don't deserve it. Why don't you deserve one? Everyone deserves to play. In fact, it's the casual players that keep the game going. Sure, everyone loves the pros - but there are far more casual players than hardcore players. When the pros do well, it's the casual players that watch them, the casual players that drive the crowd. (Casual meaning those who play for fun or aren't hardcore A+/OLYMPIC OWN U ON ICCUP) etc. Everyone deserves to enjoy a great game There's a distinction between deserving to play the retail sc2 (which I agree with), and deserving to get beta key from teamliquid. The implication and sentiment behind Kennigit's "if you think you deserve one" statement was for people who think they deserve a key from teamliquid. You can't try and flip the definition of "deserving" around to try and get a beta key. Turning the issue into "technically, you didn't define 'deserving' so we should be in the running, too" is an irrelevant, underhanded ploy of semantics. You're basically trying to guilt the mods into giving you a beta key by playing the victim. You're right that people had to link 'deserving' with the teamliquid, however, there were no strict rules/nor elaborate explanations for doing this. With possibility to nominate oneself, a lot of people were trying to find explanation why they deserve they key based on their overall starctaft experience, and not on their teamliquid experience/achievements. And most of them did not do anything wrong there, yet many began calling them selfish, nubs, asshats etc. etc. etc. They just saw the possibility of getting the key, and signed for it. I guarantee a lot of them (myself included) didnt really think they could have serious chances of wining, so mostly they done this for fun. But as you know, hope dies last.
ah, fair enough. so its expected / natural for people to spin "deserving", given their desperation. I guess that's fair to say.
but look at it from the other side: teamliquid expected another interpretation, expected another outcome. When hundreds of low post counters come in with an attitude of "we might as well give this a shot", it destroyed the ideal. From that perspective, why shouldn't a natural response of tl also be to get angry? And even begin namecalling?
I'm not saying it's okay...regrettable, of course, but if you look at it from tl's perspective I hope you can feel less annoyed ^^;;
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On April 18 2010 13:28 Cheree wrote:
Grrr. It's been like 30mins without anyone to argue with. So I'll sum up my thoughts.
The Original Contest
It's intended to be based on worth measured by the quality and quantity of contribution you have made to this community.
People who've been nominated by others are generally more deserving.
People who nominated themselves are generally less deserving.
It shouldn't matter how you were nominated however, your contribution is all that should matter despite these correlations.
This Thread
It unfairly groups deserving people who nominated themselves with less deserving people who nominated themselves. It also unecessarily patronizes new members from sticking around in this community, potentially hurting TL - but we'll never know this. It claims to offer people who made a mistake in nominating themselves a way to redeem themselves by choosing to opt-out, when it is their intention that matters, not their decision. Let's not forget, It is highly entertaining.
Well don't argue for the sake of arguing, but I'll say something on this.
Yes it's true that people who were nominated by others should deserve a better chance at a key, which is why this thread was created, seperating the self-nominated from the rest.
Also, it's my understanding that the new members only signed up to nominate themselves for a chance at the key, and they're most likely not going to stick around after they do or don't recieve one.
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1st post ever for a lurker...
I'd like to go back in time and nominate myself. J/K my computer can't run it anyway But it made me register!
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heheh, I hope none of you get it solely because I wasn't around to self nominate =P
Fun contests like these build the community 100%. Winning the CJ shit however long ago is what forced me into posting.
Now if you get a beta key and then never post again or worse go post on gosugamers, then you can die in a fire. I'm confident yall will make the right choice though 8]
Actually now that I think about it there a couple people overlooked I'd have liked to nominate for keys... dammit =(
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I'll be around regardless (including after the beta is over); however, the point of the nomination thread (from what I read in the original post) was that the nominated had to *earn it*, which would (in my humble opinion) rule out self-nomination OR self-promotion. That is why I didn't go that route myself, besides my coming up empty any other way..
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On April 18 2010 13:39 Neos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:28 Cheree wrote:
Grrr. It's been like 30mins without anyone to argue with. So I'll sum up my thoughts.
The Original Contest
It's intended to be based on worth measured by the quality and quantity of contribution you have made to this community.
People who've been nominated by others are generally more deserving.
People who nominated themselves are generally less deserving.
It shouldn't matter how you were nominated however, your contribution is all that should matter despite these correlations.
This Thread
It unfairly groups deserving people who nominated themselves with less deserving people who nominated themselves. It also unecessarily patronizes new members from sticking around in this community, potentially hurting TL - but we'll never know this. It claims to offer people who made a mistake in nominating themselves a way to redeem themselves by choosing to opt-out, when it is their intention that matters, not their decision. Let's not forget, It is highly entertaining. Well don't argue for the sake of arguing, but I'll say something on this. Yes it's true that people who were nominated by others should deserve a better chance at a key, which is why this thread was created, seperating the self-nominated from the rest. Also, it's my understanding that the new members only signed up to nominate themselves for a chance at the key, and they're most likely not going to stick around after they do or don't recieve one.
Watch your wording. It's not true that ALL people who were nominated by others are more deserving than ALL people who nominated themselves. Switch ALL to MOST, and I'll agree. This difference is important, cause it is assumed that the people in the OP list are ALL less deserving than those who were nominated by others, when that is simply not true.
I agree with your second statement. Just a tiny ammendment to say most* new members will act/acted that way.
Btw, thanks for your input. I should start not being so to-the-point and have some people skills. XD
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Actually now that I'm rereading this whole thing, did people that got nominated by others get keys automatically and only people that put themselves up are in this little deal?
If so I feel even worse for missing it lol
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On April 18 2010 13:49 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:39 Neos wrote:On April 18 2010 13:28 Cheree wrote:
Grrr. It's been like 30mins without anyone to argue with. So I'll sum up my thoughts.
The Original Contest
It's intended to be based on worth measured by the quality and quantity of contribution you have made to this community.
People who've been nominated by others are generally more deserving.
People who nominated themselves are generally less deserving.
It shouldn't matter how you were nominated however, your contribution is all that should matter despite these correlations.
This Thread
It unfairly groups deserving people who nominated themselves with less deserving people who nominated themselves. It also unecessarily patronizes new members from sticking around in this community, potentially hurting TL - but we'll never know this. It claims to offer people who made a mistake in nominating themselves a way to redeem themselves by choosing to opt-out, when it is their intention that matters, not their decision. Let's not forget, It is highly entertaining. Well don't argue for the sake of arguing, but I'll say something on this. Yes it's true that people who were nominated by others should deserve a better chance at a key, which is why this thread was created, seperating the self-nominated from the rest. Also, it's my understanding that the new members only signed up to nominate themselves for a chance at the key, and they're most likely not going to stick around after they do or don't recieve one. Watch your wording. It's not true that ALL people who were nominated by others are more deserving than ALL people who nominated themselves. Switch ALL to MOST, and I'll agree. This difference is important, cause it is assumed that the people in the OP list are ALL less deserving than those who were nominated by others, when that is simply not true. I agree with your second statement. Just a tiny ammendment to say most* new members will act/acted that way.
Well, I never said "ALL" once there, and of course I do mean MOST people.
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On April 18 2010 13:55 Neos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:49 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 13:39 Neos wrote:On April 18 2010 13:28 Cheree wrote:
Grrr. It's been like 30mins without anyone to argue with. So I'll sum up my thoughts.
The Original Contest
It's intended to be based on worth measured by the quality and quantity of contribution you have made to this community.
People who've been nominated by others are generally more deserving.
People who nominated themselves are generally less deserving.
It shouldn't matter how you were nominated however, your contribution is all that should matter despite these correlations.
This Thread
It unfairly groups deserving people who nominated themselves with less deserving people who nominated themselves. It also unecessarily patronizes new members from sticking around in this community, potentially hurting TL - but we'll never know this. It claims to offer people who made a mistake in nominating themselves a way to redeem themselves by choosing to opt-out, when it is their intention that matters, not their decision. Let's not forget, It is highly entertaining. Well don't argue for the sake of arguing, but I'll say something on this. Yes it's true that people who were nominated by others should deserve a better chance at a key, which is why this thread was created, seperating the self-nominated from the rest. Also, it's my understanding that the new members only signed up to nominate themselves for a chance at the key, and they're most likely not going to stick around after they do or don't recieve one. Watch your wording. It's not true that ALL people who were nominated by others are more deserving than ALL people who nominated themselves. Switch ALL to MOST, and I'll agree. This difference is important, cause it is assumed that the people in the OP list are ALL less deserving than those who were nominated by others, when that is simply not true. I agree with your second statement. Just a tiny ammendment to say most* new members will act/acted that way. Well, I never said "ALL" once there, and of course I do mean MOST people.
And the difference between ALL and MOST are the innocent victims of this thread. The rest are victims, not necessarily innocent, but still undeserving of this type of social crucifiction for one mistake. TL should get to know them better before scaring them away.
Yes, I'm being dramatic. :p
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this is so out of hand, its just a beta key for a game lol
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