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Sir Snoopy
United States57 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 09 2011 10:58 Sir Snoopy wrote: Hey TB, is a large percentage of your content available on SC2Casts.com? My casts are when they remember to add them, none of my stream VoDs are. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On June 09 2011 10:07 TotalBiscuit wrote: The day you can get 4000 people to listen to you on the subject of anything, you can start criticising my stream son :> How many views a caster has says nothing of their game knowledge. A caster could have 0 viewers and still have more game knowledge than you do. This is the internet, I am allowed to freely criticize who I want, when I want. You should learn to accept that when you're put in the spotlight you're going to get criticized. Now the positive way to look at criticism would be taking it as motivation to improve your game knowledge and get better as a caster. Instead just flare up and get angry and shout "I'M BETTER THAN YOU". This is the reason you will forever be (in my eyes) a horrible caster, because you don't make an effort to improve and you can't take criticism well at all (whether it be constructive or not). inb4 "ZOMG I EARN MONEY FROM CASTING IM BETTER THAN YOU GTFO I DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINION CAUSE MINE IS THE ONLY OPINION THAT IS CORRECT" or something along the lines of one of your usual retorts to haters. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On June 09 2011 11:17 Tektos wrote: How many views a caster has says nothing of their game knowledge. A caster could have 0 viewers and still have more game knowledge than you do. This is the internet, I am allowed to freely criticize who I want, when I want. You should learn to accept that when you're put in the spotlight you're going to get criticized. Now the positive way to look at criticism would be taking it as motivation to improve your game knowledge and get better as a caster. Instead just flare up and get angry and shout "I'M BETTER THAN YOU". This is the reason you will forever be (in my eyes) a horrible caster, because you don't make an effort to improve and you can't take criticism well at all (whether it be constructive or not). inb4 "ZOMG I EARN MONEY FROM CASTING IM BETTER THAN YOU GTFO I DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINION CAUSE MINE IS THE ONLY OPINION THAT IS CORRECT" or something along the lines of one of your usual retorts to haters. Pretty sure you're the one expecting that every single other person in the world thinks the exact same way as you do. Lots of people watch his stream, his SC2 casts on YouTube get ~50k views each, and he has 350k subscribers. He has accepted criticism. Look at the 1-day Invitational thread. He started practicing so that he can grow his game knowledge. If I quote TB (loosely) from an episode of Blue Plz... "No matter what you do, there will always be people who are jealous of your success." And I think your butthurtedness is a perfect example of this. Know what you're talking about before you abuse someone, and grow the fuck up. There is a reason people like TB don't take notice of what people like you say. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Needless to say I get my feedback from more qualified, prominent sources. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On June 09 2011 10:07 TotalBiscuit wrote: The day you can get 4000 people to listen to you on the subject of anything, you can start criticising my stream son :> Meh, that's not really great logic right there. Dr. Phil can get a bigger audience than virtually any real doctor, but that doesn't prove that he knows more than them. People watch you for reasons other than your knowledge of the game- which is fine. Don't let your ego be bloated out of proportion, though. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:07 AndAgain wrote: Meh, that's not really great logic right there. Dr. Phil can get a bigger audience than virtually any real doctor, but that doesn't prove that he knows more than them. People watch you for reasons other than your knowledge of the game- which is fine. Don't let your ego be bloated out of proportion, though. The only guy with the ego in this thread is the guy who thinks it's ok to insult thousands of people from his ivory tower. Pretty arrogant thing to do, thinking you're better than them. It's generally not nice to have random specs barging into your threads causing shit and insulting you. This is the thread for my casts and streams, take that shit to any other thread rather than this one, it's definitely not welcome here. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On June 09 2011 11:26 Ruscour wrote: Pretty sure you're the one expecting that every single other person in the world thinks the exact same way as you do. Lots of people watch his stream, his SC2 casts on YouTube get ~50k views each, and he has 350k subscribers. He has accepted criticism. Look at the 1-day Invitational thread. He started practicing so that he can grow his game knowledge. If I quote TB (loosely) from an episode of Blue Plz... "No matter what you do, there will always be people who are jealous of your success." And I think your butthurtedness is a perfect example of this. Know what you're talking about before you abuse someone, and grow the fuck up. There is a reason people like TB don't take notice of what people like you say. I'm not at all expecting people to think the same way I do, it is a fact that they don't think like me simply based on the knowledge that TB gets views and subscribers. The point I was getting across is that his game knowledge is lacking, I did not say that this is the only quality it takes to be a good caster. He still appeals to people because he has an interesting personality still, so those with near zero knowledge of the game still enjoy his casts regardless of the factual errors in many things he says. Implying I am jealous of his success is utterly ridiculous, I have never and will never desire to be a starcraft caster. My passion for starcraft is that of watching and playing, the thought of casting games is actually quite unappealing. This is the internet and I'm expressing my opinion within the confines of TL's posting constraints, its not me being butthurt, it is simply me expressing my opinion because I have a desire to express my opinion at this point in time. I don't much care if anyone listens, in fact if my opinion offends you I highly recommend you ignore it. I was not abusing TB at all, nor his viewers (unless you take being bronze league as an insult? I don't see why you would, being new to the game is not a bad thing). The reason that people like TB don't take notice of what people like me say is because he is stubborn and arrogant and can't get off his high horse. He cannot accept criticism and every time he gets it he ignores it and labels the person a hater or troll and says they're wrong, because his casting is absolutely perfect and anyone who expresses an opinion stating otherwise is obviously ignorant and wrong. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:42 Tektos wrote: I'm not at all expecting people to think the same way I do, it is a fact that they don't think like me simply based on the knowledge that TB gets views and subscribers. The point I was getting across is that his game knowledge is lacking, I did not say that this is the only quality it takes to be a good caster. He still appeals to people because he has an interesting personality still, so those with near zero knowledge of the game still enjoy his casts regardless of the factual errors in many things he says. Implying I am jealous of his success is utterly ridiculous, I have never and will never desire to be a starcraft caster. My passion for starcraft is that of watching and playing, the thought of casting games is actually quite unappealing. This is the internet and I'm expressing my opinion within the confines of TL's posting constraints, its not me being butthurt, it is simply me expressing my opinion because I have a desire to express my opinion at this point in time. I don't much care if anyone listens, in fact if my opinion offends you I highly recommend you ignore it. I was not abusing TB at all, nor his viewers (unless you take being bronze league as an insult? I don't see why you would, being new to the game is not a bad thing). The reason that people like TB don't take notice of what people like me say is because he is stubborn and arrogant and can't get off his high horse. He cannot accept criticism and every time he gets it he ignores it and labels the person a hater or troll and says they're wrong, because his casting is absolutely perfect and anyone who expresses an opinion stating otherwise is obviously ignorant and wrong. He has listened to criticism, and that's why he's playing more...? He accepts that he has poor game knowledge and would like to do more dual-casting with an analyst. I'm a little confused about where your problem descends from here. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:45 Ruscour wrote: He has listened to criticism, and that's why he's playing more...? He accepts that he has poor game knowledge and would like to do more dual-casting with an analyst. I'm a little confused about where your problem descends from here. My problem descends from when I say something about his lack of game knowledge he responds with "U CANT CRITICIZE ME!!!!" as if he were the god of starcraft knowledge rather than just leaving it. Which then turns into... this shitstorm. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:50 Tektos wrote: My problem descends from when I say something about his lack of game knowledge he responds with "U CANT CRITICIZE ME!!!!" as if he were the god of starcraft knowledge rather than just leaving it. Which then turns into... this shitstorm. your original post was useless and condescending to the people who watch his stream and don't care about your opinion I'm not sure if you wanted a gentle wave of appreciation or what? Well, too bad. You reap what you sow. | ||
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:50 Tektos wrote: My problem descends from when I say something about his lack of game knowledge he responds with "U CANT CRITICIZE ME!!!!" as if he were the god of starcraft knowledge rather than just leaving it. Which then turns into... this shitstorm. You know after saying all this, at the end of the day its not about you. Even though you say "ITS NOT ABOUT ME, IM TALKING ABOUT HIM", but you do come across as a butthurt person who got rejected by the most popular in school on prom night and go around telling everyone she has a STD. You forget that he has opened Starcraft2 to a lot of other Blizzard players who had no interest in it before, especially WoW players who are his main following. He brings way more contribution to the community than you do. Why should he take criticism from someone like you? Who are you to label him? | ||
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Unreg
181 Posts
I ask this because when I see you play and listen to your ideas etc I think to myself sometimes "damn I would have not thought about that in that way", so somehow your streaming has been helpful hehe God bless the british accent. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:56 Redmark wrote: your original post was useless and condescending to the people who watch his stream and don't care about your opinion I'm not sure if you wanted a gentle wave of appreciation or what? Well, too bad. You reap what you sow. Yes my original post was useless and condescending but if they don't care about my opinion why has it turned into such an issue? If they didn't care it would have stopped and my original post and everyone would have ignored it. On June 09 2011 12:59 kellymilkies wrote: You know after saying all this, at the end of the day its not about you. Even though you say "ITS NOT ABOUT ME, IM TALKING ABOUT HIM", but you do come across as a butthurt person who got rejected by the most popular in school on prom night and go around telling everyone she has a STD. You forget that he has opened Starcraft2 to a lot of other Blizzard players who had no interest in it before, especially WoW players who are his main following. He brings way more contribution to the community than you do. Why should he take criticism from someone like you? Who are you to label him? If I go around saying that girl has an STD but she actually does have an STD what is the issue? So if I go around saying TB lacks game knowledge and he actually lacks game knowledge whats the issue? The only issue is if I say that girl has STDs when she doesn't thats when it becomes spreading rumors rather than stating facts. Are you saying TB has amazing game knowledge and I'm wrong when I say he doesnt? Also for what reason do I have to be butthurt? If that girl rejects me at prom I understand why someone would be butthurt but I've not asked for anything from TB so I have no reason to be butthurt whatsoever, I'm just expressing my opinion. It seems like you're the butthurt one throwing all these personal insults at me because I expressed dissatisfaction with someone you like. Yes, he has opened up SC2 to a lot of other Blizzard players and a lot of people appreciate him for that, but did I ever insult him for that? No. The only things I criticized him about was his lack of game knowledge and unwillingness to accept criticism. The fact is these are NEWER PLAYERS and likely a lot of them are bronze level, why does everyone take "bronze league = insult" and get so offended by it? - Yes, he has an interesting personality (hence why he's attracted wow players to sc2 through his youtube stuff, if he was bland and boring NOBODY would listen). - Yes, he has contributed more than I have to the SC2 community (given that I haven't even tried to contribute thats not much of a feat, but he has contributed more than most so good on him) I express my opinions because this is an open forum. He doesn't HAVE to take criticism from someone like me he can simply ignore it. Regardless of him choosing to take it or ignore it I am expressing my opinions because I feel like it and I am allowed to. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:50 Tektos wrote: My problem descends from when I say something about his lack of game knowledge he responds with "U CANT CRITICIZE ME!!!!" as if he were the god of starcraft knowledge rather than just leaving it. Which then turns into... this shitstorm. As a fellow Aussie, I'm ashamed to be living on the same land as you. Your opinions are flametory, ignorant and if anyone is arrogant - it's you. You should get off of your high horse and accept criticism yourself - the criticism here being: Shut the fuck up if you have no clue on what you're talking about. As it has already been stated: His playing to get better game knowledge & sense. It cannot be learnt by watching high-level replays, only by feel. If you don't think this is listening to criticism then please get your head out of your ass and wash your shit covered eyeballs. And I believe in SOTG one of the 'needed' things to be a successful caster is a personality. Incontrol, Destiny and IdrA were discussing it. I think TB's personality brings a lot of his viewers to the stream, sure. But I go to the stream to see how much TB has improved, and see him have fun(or as today, rage about smurfs and kill his own supply depot  ).And I do think the casters with more viewers are generally better then the casters with no viewers. Sure the no viewer caster might have better game sense and knowledge, but does he have the personality to accompany him or herself to success? It's not just about game knowledge. How you handle your information to the viewers is quite key too, and TB does this by using his personality, loud and energetic. From your posts and arguments I would actually think you are jealous of his success despite pleading against it. So please do us a favor and actually get some real intelligent information before you strew your ignorant self-pleasing information over a thread all about TB. Disgusting to see this amount of hatred for someone helping the ESPORTS community. And especially with the extent of how much he has helped. EDIT:: I express my opinions because this is an open forum. He doesn't HAVE to take criticism from someone like me he can simply ignore it. Regardless of him choosing to take it or ignore it I am expressing my opinions because I feel like it and I am allowed to. I don't get what the fuck you're trying to say man. His doing exactly what you're saying right now in your mind, and you have to flame him for doing it? You say he ignores criticism and then you say he doesn't have to look at it? What the fuck is your point? It's just going so wrong for you right now. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:11 MonkSEA wrote: As a fellow Aussie, I'm ashamed to be living on the same land as you. Your opinions are flametory, ignorant and if anyone is arrogant - it's you. You should get off of your high horse and accept criticism yourself - the criticism here being: Shut the fuck up if you have no clue on what you're talking about. As it has already been stated: His playing to get better game knowledge & sense. It cannot be learnt by watching high-level replays, only by feel. If you don't think this is listening to criticism then please get your head out of your ass and wash your shit covered eyeballs. And I believe in STOG one of the 'needed' things to be a successful caster is a personality. Incontrol, Destiny and IdrA were discussing it. I think TB's personality brings a lot of his viewers to the stream, sure. But I go to the stream to see how much TB has improved, and see him have fun(or as today, rage about smurfs and kill his own supply depot ).And I do think the casters with more viewers are generally better then the casters with no viewers. Sure the no viewer caster might have better game sense and knowledge, but does he have the personality to accompany him or herself to success? It's not just about game knowledge. How you handle your information to the viewers is quite key too, and TB does this by using his personality, loud and energetic. From your posts and arguments I would actually think you are jealous of his success despite pleading against it. So please do us a favor and actually get some real intelligent information before you strew your ignorant self-pleasing information over a thread all about TB. Disgusting to see this amount of hatred for someone helping the ESPORTS community. And especially with the extent of how much he has helped. You're disgusted by living in the same country as me just because I expressed an opinion? I think you need to calm down. Also "Shut the fuck up if you have no clue on what you're talking about." is not criticism, it is just blatant rage insulting me. "As it has already been stated: His playing to get better game knowledge & sense." - Good, he should keep doing it because he isn't perfect yet. "Disgusting to see this amount of hatred for someone helping the ESPORTS community. And especially with the extent of how much he has helped." - I'm not expressing hatred at all I'm expressing an opinion that I think his game knowledge is lacking. Why are YOU expressing so much hatred towards someone just for voicing their opinion? "You say he ignores criticism and then you say he doesn't have to look at it? What the fuck is your point?" - I said he should either 1) read the criticism and listen to it and accept it or 2) dont read it. He is doing neither, he's reading it then getting angry because the criticism says something other than "OMG TB UR AMAZING" | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:16 Tektos wrote: You're disgusted by living in the same country as me just because I expressed an opinion? I think you need to calm down. Also "Shut the fuck up if you have no clue on what you're talking about." is not criticism, it is just blatant rage insulting me. "As it has already been stated: His playing to get better game knowledge & sense." - Good, he should keep doing it because he isn't perfect yet. "Disgusting to see this amount of hatred for someone helping the ESPORTS community. And especially with the extent of how much he has helped." - I'm not expressing hatred at all I'm expressing an opinion that I think his game knowledge is lacking. Why are YOU expressing so much hatred towards someone just for voicing their opinion? "You say he ignores criticism and then you say he doesn't have to look at it? What the fuck is your point?" - I said he should either 1) read the criticism and listen to it and accept it or 2) dont read it. He is doing neither, he's reading it then getting angry because the criticism says something other than "OMG TB UR AMAZING" Ok maybe I was a little excessive with my wording. Your opinion to me, was on the border lines of flaming TB. To be truthful, I wouldn't even call your 'opinion' an opinion. I would call it a subtle insult. He doesn't listen to criticism yet you admit that he does listen to criticism. I shall crown you the king of contradiction. I show much hate for you because you are insulting a community member who is: A) A lot more successful then you B) Has some type of spot in this community C) Is trying to improve based on peoples criticism Blatantly coming out with contradicted 'opinions' is very unprofessional if you wanted to keep the debate going onwards. Saying he doesn't have to listen to criticism is just retarded for your argument. You're saying that he doesn't listen to criticism. Then saying that he doesn't have to listen to the criticism is just.. baffling. And because he reads the criticism from someone who he doesn't know, nor really cares about makes him a bad person in your 'opinion'? If you had any interest to provide good, unique and helpful criticism rather then just coming out with same-old redundant and overused criticism saying you know nothing about the game even though TB is trying to improve at the game, and become a better caster means you should be critiqued by me in the most harsh manner. And as TB has replied before, he has a team of professionals that give him critique. If you're just going to be one of these blatant haters that try to make your 'opinion' professional, thus not looking like flame then you really didn't do a good job. Ohh and I hardly think TB is getting angry over reading some random's 'opinion' of why he is a bad caster. | ||
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Blondinbengt
Sweden578 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:00 Tektos wrote: I express my opinions because this is an open forum. He doesn't HAVE to take criticism from someone like me he can simply ignore it. Regardless of him choosing to take it or ignore it I am expressing my opinions because I feel like it and I am allowed to. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 Teamliquids Ten Commandments, you should read them. Flaunting freedom of speech while being an ass isn't going to get you far here. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
A) I don't give 1 ounce of a fuck if he is more successful in the starcraft casting scene than I am, because I do want to be nor do I try to be a starcraft caster. I don't understand why you would show hatred towards me because of this. Do you show hatred to EVERY TL poster who critiques someone in the spotlight? B) I wasn't insulting him so I don't see why his spot in this community matters, I was giving my opinion. C) If he's trying to hard to improve why does he respond to me saying "U CAN'T CRITICIZE ME BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT E-FAMOUS" instead of acknowledging that he is indeed already attempting to improve? My opinions aren't contradictory, you just misunderstand them so your whole next paragraph is mostly wrong. You're putting words in my mouth with a lot of it. I stated that he should not respond to criticism he's not planning to act on because it just starts flame wars, or he should straight up not read it in the first place. I never called him a bad person, so please for the love of starcraft don't put words in my mouth. You do have the right to express your opinion that you think I'm a douche but you don't have the right to spread utter false lies such as saying I think he's a bad person. I think it is slightly unprofessional for someone in his place in the community to lump trolls, haters and genuine criticism all in the one basket and respond in such anger-filled ways to anything at all slightly negative, but I never said it makes him a bad person for doing so. I'm not trying to make my opinion professional, or the be all end all only correct advice. I'm stating it for the self satisfaction of having voiced my opinion. I just feel as a whole you're angry at me (and apparently even hate me?) for no reason and it would probably be best for everyone if this was just let go. Text cannot ever fully convey a message properly, you believed I was stating my opinion in an insulting and inflammatory way when that was never my intention. I was simply expressing my opinion on the internet. Calm down. | ||
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sleigh bells
United States358 Posts
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