• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:58
CEST 12:58
KST 19:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection6Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? What kind of tool would you be interested in? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) WardiTV Mondays Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 BW animated web series: seeking contributors FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread PC Games Sales Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7018 users

[SC2B] SC2 Liquibition #1 - iNfeRnaL vs ret - LR - Page 7

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
March 13 2010 21:03 GMT
#121
On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.

Ret won 4:2

You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
March 13 2010 21:04 GMT
#122
On March 14 2010 06:02 MidKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 05:58 Kaniol wrote:
On March 14 2010 05:57 Pyrthas wrote:
Archons have looked useless every time I've seen them. Are they good for anything aside from a way to use up templar after they storm?

No, and judging by this:
Q. It was previously mentioned that the balance team feels Archons were underused. Is this still the case?

A. The Archon is intended to be a unit you can use when your High Templar run out of energy. It is not meant in StarCraft II to be a core counter to a variety of threats. Currently it is functioning reasonably well in that role but we are always looking for additional data that will prove our assumptions wrong.

They won't be good aside from a way to use up templar after they storm


Yep, that's sad..
In BW there were times when you actually wanted to make archons instantly to make some sort of timing attack, for example.
Now they are just..There..

Hate that sort of view from Blizzard

Agreed. They can at least give them some sort of specialized role, maybe as dark archons with limited and specialized spell casting abilities.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
March 13 2010 21:04 GMT
#123
great games great commentary! awesome kickoff of Liquibition in sc2
Administrator
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
March 13 2010 21:04 GMT
#124
Great games. Great commentary. Wouldn't mind paying a small amount to see something like this every week

Maybe he was too busy talking and observing but otherwise a little more use of the obs tools would be super too. Like what's in production can give a very quick glance of the situation.

Dunno why there's only 6 pages when SC2 is still so fresh I'd expect a lot more people to tune in the give theirs thoughts about it. But otherwise a super 1st SC2 Liquibition!
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 21:06:11
March 13 2010 21:05 GMT
#125
Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.

Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
March 13 2010 21:08 GMT
#126
On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.

Ret won 4:2

You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet

This is a Live Report thread. That implies there will be spoilers of the games played. In the future dont read LR threads if you dont want to be spoiled.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
March 13 2010 21:11 GMT
#127
I'm hoping to see a terran player in the next series. Maybe Morrow? Btw now that the first match has been played on the European server between two Europeans, how are you planning on letting non-Europeans challenge the winner? Lending the challenger a EU account?
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
March 13 2010 21:15 GMT
#128
On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.

Ret won 4:2

You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet

LR thread dude.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
Nilaus
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark159 Posts
March 13 2010 21:27 GMT
#129
I tuned in just as the 'gg' was said in the last fight, so is there any way to see the VODs of the fights includings Sean's commentary?
Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
March 13 2010 21:28 GMT
#130
Day9 always uploads his daily casts to the ondemand section of his livestream thing so he will probably do the same with this match
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 21:29:26
March 13 2010 21:29 GMT
#131
On March 14 2010 06:27 Nilaus wrote:
I tuned in just as the 'gg' was said in the last fight, so is there any way to see the VODs of the fights includings Sean's commentary?


Det kommer helt sikkert nok om et par dage

Will be there in a couple of days I'm sure
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
March 13 2010 21:29 GMT
#132
On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.

Ret won 4:2

You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet


sorry, but this is a game report topic, you have to expect results.
I am not good with quotes
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8098 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 21:33:02
March 13 2010 21:31 GMT
#133
On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:
Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.

Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time

Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics.

Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years.

I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day.

I think they will fix archons in SC2.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 21:36:38
March 13 2010 21:34 GMT
#134
There's nothing to fix. They are something of a leftover after you're done storming. They don't need to be viable to morph right off the bat, as long as templars are viable archons will be made.
Administrator
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
March 13 2010 21:49 GMT
#135
On March 14 2010 06:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:
Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.

Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time

Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics.

Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years.

I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day.

I think they will fix archons in SC2.

They are good vs carriers actually
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
March 13 2010 21:51 GMT
#136
On March 14 2010 06:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:
Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.

Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time

Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics.

Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years.

I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day.

I think they will fix archons in SC2.


Scout has a place, counter vs carrier in PvP
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
March 13 2010 22:07 GMT
#137
Protoss got stomped it seems are these games even worth the watch?
here i am
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 23:40:56
March 13 2010 23:40 GMT
#138
Thanks day[9], ret, and infernal!
✌
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
March 14 2010 00:09 GMT
#139
I was going to post this in another thread, but the thread vanished, so; (about the power of queen, roaches and muta)

If you decrease the amount of larva spawned by the queen, then you solve the roach and muta issue. I watched the Liquibet match today between Ret and Infernal; Infernal was getting stomped unless ret into a predictable roach build.
Thing was, it's so easy for zergs to suddenly change unit composition, that when ret frightened Infernal with a few roaches and Infernal produced many immortals, then Ret was able to produce a Spire and produce a massive amount of mutalisks in just a few minutes.
Now, Infernal could have built sentries to counter mutalisk, but mutalisk are far more agile than sentries and could simply avoid encountering them while harrassing the workers here and there.

I think building Pheonixes would be a great answer. I'm not sure if they build fast enough. Pheonixes are an underestimated unit that most players never seem to remember. Pheonixes can be powerful and are far superior to mutalisk 1 on 1, however, mutalisk can produce faster due to the zerg's large amount of larva. However, protoss do have chrono boost; they could make better use of it.
Over-all, I think the number of larva spawned could be toned down, and that would make all the difference. IT would put more pressure on the zerg economy and army.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
March 14 2010 01:55 GMT
#140
The problem with getting enough pheonixes as a counter to mutalisks, is that lets say you do get enough of them and wipe them out, all they have to do is switch to hyrdalisks.
I will not be poisoned by your bitterness
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
KungFu Cup 2026 Week 10
CranKy Ducklings147
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 180
Rex 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29514
Sea 5861
Calm 5360
Rush 1311
Light 585
Hyuk 490
Shuttle 371
Shine 341
BeSt 298
actioN 175
[ Show more ]
Last 106
Killer 96
hero 84
scan(afreeca) 49
Liquid`Ret 46
Snow 45
sorry 43
ToSsGirL 39
sSak 34
Mind 29
Soulkey 28
Sacsri 26
Bale 21
NaDa 21
Sharp 20
Noble 18
Hm[arnc] 18
JYJ 16
IntoTheRainbow 14
soO 13
[sc1f]eonzerg 12
JulyZerg 11
Barracks 10
zelot 8
Free 4
Movie 1
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1885
shoxiejesuss1022
Stewie2K663
zeus332
edward93
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1095
Lowko364
crisheroes271
Pyrionflax147
Happy120
Sick95
B2W.Neo44
SortOf40
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick670
StarCraft 2
WardiTV74
Other Games
BasetradeTV1
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP86
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 10
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4996
• Jankos2957
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
2m
IntoTheiNu 54
Maestros of the Game
4h 2m
Classic vs Lambo
Clem vs Maru
Replay Cast
13h 2m
The PondCast
23h 2m
Maestros of the Game
1d 4h
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
OSC
1d 11h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
OSC
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.