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Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
March 13 2010 21:03 GMT
#121
On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.

Ret won 4:2

You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
March 13 2010 21:04 GMT
#122
On March 14 2010 06:02 MidKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 05:58 Kaniol wrote:
On March 14 2010 05:57 Pyrthas wrote:
Archons have looked useless every time I've seen them. Are they good for anything aside from a way to use up templar after they storm?

No, and judging by this:
Q. It was previously mentioned that the balance team feels Archons were underused. Is this still the case?

A. The Archon is intended to be a unit you can use when your High Templar run out of energy. It is not meant in StarCraft II to be a core counter to a variety of threats. Currently it is functioning reasonably well in that role but we are always looking for additional data that will prove our assumptions wrong.

They won't be good aside from a way to use up templar after they storm


Yep, that's sad..
In BW there were times when you actually wanted to make archons instantly to make some sort of timing attack, for example.
Now they are just..There..

Hate that sort of view from Blizzard

Agreed. They can at least give them some sort of specialized role, maybe as dark archons with limited and specialized spell casting abilities.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
March 13 2010 21:04 GMT
#123
great games great commentary! awesome kickoff of Liquibition in sc2
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3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
March 13 2010 21:04 GMT
#124
Great games. Great commentary. Wouldn't mind paying a small amount to see something like this every week

Maybe he was too busy talking and observing but otherwise a little more use of the obs tools would be super too. Like what's in production can give a very quick glance of the situation.

Dunno why there's only 6 pages when SC2 is still so fresh I'd expect a lot more people to tune in the give theirs thoughts about it. But otherwise a super 1st SC2 Liquibition!
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 21:06:11
March 13 2010 21:05 GMT
#125
Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.

Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
March 13 2010 21:08 GMT
#126
On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.

Ret won 4:2

You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet

This is a Live Report thread. That implies there will be spoilers of the games played. In the future dont read LR threads if you dont want to be spoiled.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
March 13 2010 21:11 GMT
#127
I'm hoping to see a terran player in the next series. Maybe Morrow? Btw now that the first match has been played on the European server between two Europeans, how are you planning on letting non-Europeans challenge the winner? Lending the challenger a EU account?
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
March 13 2010 21:15 GMT
#128
On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.

Ret won 4:2

You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet

LR thread dude.
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Nilaus
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark159 Posts
March 13 2010 21:27 GMT
#129
I tuned in just as the 'gg' was said in the last fight, so is there any way to see the VODs of the fights includings Sean's commentary?
Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
March 13 2010 21:28 GMT
#130
Day9 always uploads his daily casts to the ondemand section of his livestream thing so he will probably do the same with this match
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 21:29:26
March 13 2010 21:29 GMT
#131
On March 14 2010 06:27 Nilaus wrote:
I tuned in just as the 'gg' was said in the last fight, so is there any way to see the VODs of the fights includings Sean's commentary?


Det kommer helt sikkert nok om et par dage

Will be there in a couple of days I'm sure
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
March 13 2010 21:29 GMT
#132
On March 14 2010 06:03 StoLiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 05:55 s.a.y wrote:
ggs.

Ret won 4:2

You can't put the score in a spoiler things, that's bad for ppl who don't see the game yet


sorry, but this is a game report topic, you have to expect results.
I am not good with quotes
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8026 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 21:33:02
March 13 2010 21:31 GMT
#133
On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:
Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.

Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time

Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics.

Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years.

I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day.

I think they will fix archons in SC2.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 21:36:38
March 13 2010 21:34 GMT
#134
There's nothing to fix. They are something of a leftover after you're done storming. They don't need to be viable to morph right off the bat, as long as templars are viable archons will be made.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
March 13 2010 21:49 GMT
#135
On March 14 2010 06:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:
Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.

Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time

Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics.

Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years.

I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day.

I think they will fix archons in SC2.

They are good vs carriers actually
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
March 13 2010 21:51 GMT
#136
On March 14 2010 06:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 06:05 Kaniol wrote:
Yeah, it is just as if Blizz commented on SC1's queen that her role is to humiliate opponent and they don't want to make her viable because of that.

Thanks for the stream, it was worth the time

Queens are awesome in ZvT, it's just that nobody bother because the matchup is already so demanding in term of mechanics.

Plus infested cc makes life easier to take down expos. The only almost completely and non worthy unit in BW is the scout. Scouts suck, they always sucked and they will always suck, even if we kept playinf the game another 10 years.

I can definitly see queens becoming standart one day.

I think they will fix archons in SC2.


Scout has a place, counter vs carrier in PvP
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
March 13 2010 22:07 GMT
#137
Protoss got stomped it seems are these games even worth the watch?
here i am
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-13 23:40:56
March 13 2010 23:40 GMT
#138
Thanks day[9], ret, and infernal!
✌
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
March 14 2010 00:09 GMT
#139
I was going to post this in another thread, but the thread vanished, so; (about the power of queen, roaches and muta)

If you decrease the amount of larva spawned by the queen, then you solve the roach and muta issue. I watched the Liquibet match today between Ret and Infernal; Infernal was getting stomped unless ret into a predictable roach build.
Thing was, it's so easy for zergs to suddenly change unit composition, that when ret frightened Infernal with a few roaches and Infernal produced many immortals, then Ret was able to produce a Spire and produce a massive amount of mutalisks in just a few minutes.
Now, Infernal could have built sentries to counter mutalisk, but mutalisk are far more agile than sentries and could simply avoid encountering them while harrassing the workers here and there.

I think building Pheonixes would be a great answer. I'm not sure if they build fast enough. Pheonixes are an underestimated unit that most players never seem to remember. Pheonixes can be powerful and are far superior to mutalisk 1 on 1, however, mutalisk can produce faster due to the zerg's large amount of larva. However, protoss do have chrono boost; they could make better use of it.
Over-all, I think the number of larva spawned could be toned down, and that would make all the difference. IT would put more pressure on the zerg economy and army.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
March 14 2010 01:55 GMT
#140
The problem with getting enough pheonixes as a counter to mutalisks, is that lets say you do get enough of them and wipe them out, all they have to do is switch to hyrdalisks.
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