EPTThe hellion seems like a good niche unit, like the firebat. You don't always need firebats, and you very rarely need more than 2, but they're still useful.
I HATE The Hellion !!! - Page 6
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
The hellion seems like a good niche unit, like the firebat. You don't always need firebats, and you very rarely need more than 2, but they're still useful. | ||
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
Zerg queen and roach have 3 range, hellion has +att vs them and 5range. It's dare I say imba right now because zerg is screwed if they go for roaches and maybe even hydras (forgot range) people say they suck because you can micro them like vulture patrol, just micro them like rines vs zels. A line of fire that can hit like 10+ units means you can kill 20 lings with 2 hellions in 1 hit basically. And dont even talk about vs zels law. Try it out in different situations and give it a chance before you rage on it and never use it " because it just looks stupid and has a ridiculous attack animation." You might like it more then the vulture in time  | ||
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Deviation
United States134 Posts
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AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On March 05 2010 13:10 zealing wrote: Zerg queen and roach have 3 range, hellion has +att vs them and 5range. It's dare I saw imba right now because zerg is screwed if they go for roaches and maybe even hydras (forgot range) people say they suck because you can micro them like vulture patrol, just micro them like rines vs zels. A line of fire that can hit like 10+ units means you can kill 20 lings with 2 hellions in 1 hit basically. Try it out in different situations and give it a chance before you rage on it and never use it " because it just looks stupid and has a ridiculous attack animation." You might like it more then the vulture in time Hellion doesn't deal bonus damage to Roaches, just the normal 8. I don't know if they deal bonus damage to Queen, though. Hydras have 5 range, and their upgrade makes it 6 range, so Hellion can't kite Hydras. You won't ever kill 20 Lings with 2 Hellions in 1 hit because you can't fit that many in to the range :/ Huge exaggeration there. | ||
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7Strife
United States104 Posts
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
On March 05 2010 13:10 zealing wrote: I don't think vultures are coming back, kinda like reavers, their iconic and will never be forgotten but people will sooner or later move on. And to all the people who don't like the Hellion and think you can't micro with it, think about this. Zerg queen and roach have 3 range, hellion has +att vs them and 5range. It's dare I say imba right now because zerg is screwed if they go for roaches and maybe even hydras (forgot range) people say they suck because you can micro them like vulture patrol, just micro them like rines vs zels. A line of fire that can hit like 10+ units means you can kill 20 lings with 2 hellions in 1 hit basically. And dont even talk about vs zels law. Try it out in different situations and give it a chance before you rage on it and never use it " because it just looks stupid and has a ridiculous attack animation." You might like it more then the vulture in time i dont know about queens, but roaches dont take extra damage from hellions, they basically do zero damage to roaches. IF you manage to micro and keep zerglings in a line, you can kill 20 zerglings with 2 eventually but most certainly not in one hit. hellion is a nice harass unit, it's fast and relatively cheap so you can build enough to try run-bys or do drops and quickly do damage to the worker line. they die fast though, so within your army you either need a whole bunch of them to soak damage/do some splash, or keep a few of them positioned so they do maximum damage to the right type of unit (light armored). it still feels like there's something missing with the hellion, but that might change as people use them more and more. | ||
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Karas
United States230 Posts
It wasn't until metal terran that people suddenly figured out what to do with them, and now they are godly. I'm not saying I love the hellion, but I promise you most units aren't as bad as you think, people always find a way to use their strengths to make them shine. | ||
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Raz0r
United States287 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
No way just a couple simple tweaks could make it sweet. Ill take the vulture, even with the same graphic as before! | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On March 04 2010 04:03 EmeraldSparks wrote: I think the hellion is better thought of as a (cheap, mobile, fragile) lurker than a vulture. Mind you, they're totally not the same but I think the comparison is more apt than that of the vulture. Like straight-line-move-burrow lurkers and attack-moved vultures, I'm pretty sure straight attack-moved hellions are really bad. Because they aren't as responsive as the hit-and-run vultures, positioning might be more important. Just my two cents. Tru dat. I'd have to disagree with OP. At least it still costs no gas, still serves as a meat shield for the rest of the T army, melts away any ling there may be, etc etc. In terms of the usefulness in the harass department, P don't really always get cannons that early. You can still dick around with the hellions vs the zealots no problem. Also, upgraded helions kill workerS (note plural) in two hits, 3 hits unupgraded. A well placed shot in a drilling worker line = no more workers. I think the hellion earned its place in the army unit mix IMO and is worth having as a meat shield just like its sc1 counterpart. | ||
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fyyer
United States145 Posts
On March 05 2010 13:42 Deviation wrote: I don't hate the Hellion as a unit. I just hate its model. Agree x10. Looks like a little childs RC car. It's one of the more pathetic models in game. | ||
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Iris7
Angola39 Posts
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On March 05 2010 15:42 Iris7 wrote: The Reaper is really the new early harass unit... but god blizzard.. if you would have asked any terran... which unit they couldn't live without from sc1... vulture Did you not see On March 05 2010 08:17 Iris7 wrote: .. and it's not like they're beyond saving.. just a slightly faster rxn time would make them sexy as hell.. it' just when early zealots get in your base and you can't utilize the hellions speed to deal with the rush. I will say though.. that if you're in the middle of the map.. you can run away /// like alot more than you would with the vulture.. and you can micro effectively that way.. but in close quarters... against aggressive tear one units.. the helion should be much faster on the draw. you don't NEED helion speed to deal with zealots. you can micro them vs zealots just fine without losing them. I don't know what kind of micro you're pulling off but zealots shouldn't be able to win vs helions in a micro battle. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
On March 05 2010 17:24 Railz wrote: I tried mixing Hellions in against a protoss army today. Old school style. EMP/Tanks/Hellion (Supposed to be the meat shield, joke of a game, wanted to get out of the bio, support build playstyle), but uh, between Zealot Charge and one Colossus pulse, you could potentially lose all of the hellions before your tanks get their 3rd rounds off. Vultures could body block at least, now zealots just swipe them aside. Yeah, I personally don't think they work so well for blocking. They're mainly supposed to get the hell out of the way of anything. They're a serious micro unit. I like them, still. | ||
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CroDeadman
Croatia76 Posts
It requires certain circumstances to be used or timed attacks which most people have still not developed in Beta and is not suprising they didnt. I really like the hellion, in fact its my 2nd fav terran unit after Raven. | ||
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Gliche
United States811 Posts
Make it an option on par with the siege tanks but with a different purpose. Make it so that a player can choose to actually replace the backbone of their army usually reserved for tanks with hellions. Right now, most people only pump tanks from the factory with the occasional thors here and there. How about making the player choose whether they want tanks or hellions out of their factories as part of their mid-game army? | ||
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Cyrox
Sweden147 Posts
End of story. EDIT: I guess you guys dont play mech vs Z much. (in SC2 yes) | ||
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