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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
March 05 2010 03:45 GMT
#101
The only reason everyone hates is because it's replacing the vulture. Vulture's were just way too fucking good, especially for 75 minerals lol. That was like, paying 75 minerals for a reaver which moves faster than anything in the game, and also has a nice secondary attack that can rape workers or zealots.

The hellion seems like a good niche unit, like the firebat. You don't always need firebats, and you very rarely need more than 2, but they're still useful.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 04:48:19
March 05 2010 04:10 GMT
#102
I don't think vultures are coming back, kinda like reavers, their iconic and will never be forgotten but people will sooner or later move on. And to all the people who don't like the Hellion and think you can't micro with it, think about this.

Zerg queen and roach have 3 range, hellion has +att vs them and 5range. It's dare I say imba right now because zerg is screwed if they go for roaches and maybe even hydras (forgot range) people say they suck because you can micro them like vulture patrol, just micro them like rines vs zels. A line of fire that can hit like 10+ units means you can kill 20 lings with 2 hellions in 1 hit basically. And dont even talk about vs zels law. Try it out in different situations and give it a chance before you rage on it and never use it " because it just looks stupid and has a ridiculous attack animation." You might like it more then the vulture in time
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Deviation
Profile Joined November 2009
United States134 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 05:00:26
March 05 2010 04:42 GMT
#103
I don't hate the Hellion as a unit. I just hate its model.
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
March 05 2010 04:47 GMT
#104
imo hellion should have firebat sc1 characteristics and drain away shields like they do, regardless of armor, so they can be the shield counter to immortal, since hellion dies almost to everything except zealot
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Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
March 05 2010 04:53 GMT
#105
On March 05 2010 13:10 zealing wrote:
Zerg queen and roach have 3 range, hellion has +att vs them and 5range. It's dare I saw imba right now because zerg is screwed if they go for roaches and maybe even hydras (forgot range) people say they suck because you can micro them like vulture patrol, just micro them like rines vs zels. A line of fire that can hit like 10+ units means you can kill 20 lings with 2 hellions in 1 hit basically. Try it out in different situations and give it a chance before you rage on it and never use it " because it just looks stupid and has a ridiculous attack animation." You might like it more then the vulture in time


Hellion doesn't deal bonus damage to Roaches, just the normal 8. I don't know if they deal bonus damage to Queen, though. Hydras have 5 range, and their upgrade makes it 6 range, so Hellion can't kite Hydras. You won't ever kill 20 Lings with 2 Hellions in 1 hit because you can't fit that many in to the range :/ Huge exaggeration there.
7Strife
Profile Joined December 2009
United States104 Posts
March 05 2010 05:02 GMT
#106
If you don't like SC2, you can always play some SC1, seems like that is what you want anyway.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 05 2010 05:14 GMT
#107
On March 05 2010 13:10 zealing wrote:
I don't think vultures are coming back, kinda like reavers, their iconic and will never be forgotten but people will sooner or later move on. And to all the people who don't like the Hellion and think you can't micro with it, think about this.

Zerg queen and roach have 3 range, hellion has +att vs them and 5range. It's dare I say imba right now because zerg is screwed if they go for roaches and maybe even hydras (forgot range) people say they suck because you can micro them like vulture patrol, just micro them like rines vs zels. A line of fire that can hit like 10+ units means you can kill 20 lings with 2 hellions in 1 hit basically. And dont even talk about vs zels law. Try it out in different situations and give it a chance before you rage on it and never use it " because it just looks stupid and has a ridiculous attack animation." You might like it more then the vulture in time

i dont know about queens, but roaches dont take extra damage from hellions, they basically do zero damage to roaches. IF you manage to micro and keep zerglings in a line, you can kill 20 zerglings with 2 eventually but most certainly not in one hit.

hellion is a nice harass unit, it's fast and relatively cheap so you can build enough to try run-bys or do drops and quickly do damage to the worker line. they die fast though, so within your army you either need a whole bunch of them to soak damage/do some splash, or keep a few of them positioned so they do maximum damage to the right type of unit (light armored).

it still feels like there's something missing with the hellion, but that might change as people use them more and more.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Karas
Profile Joined March 2010
United States230 Posts
March 05 2010 05:20 GMT
#108
As a few others have mentioned, no one liked the vulture when it first came out either. In fact, for a long time it was one of the most underused units in the game. People would call a newb any player who made them.

It wasn't until metal terran that people suddenly figured out what to do with them, and now they are godly.

I'm not saying I love the hellion, but I promise you most units aren't as bad as you think, people always find a way to use their strengths to make them shine.
Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
March 05 2010 05:20 GMT
#109
i dont like the sc2 unit names as much as sc1 units... stalker is alright... mothership..... i wish they came up with a more epic name than that, collosus... seems unoriginal since its just big and yeah, phoenix is actually a cool name for protoss, phase prism i guess is alright, immortals... this name actually kind of grew on me, i was like wth is immortals,( imagining what commentators would say for ex.. the immortals are now soaking up so much heavy fire from those siege tanks and are pushing up that ramp...) but now i think immortals sounds like a fearsome name, sentry just sounds lame but i guess the name sort of fits...and wth banshees just sounds ridiculous...
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
March 05 2010 05:42 GMT
#110
ya. Hellion is fully POS.
No way just a couple simple tweaks could make it sweet.
Ill take the vulture, even with the same graphic as before!
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
zomgzergrush
Profile Joined August 2008
United States923 Posts
March 05 2010 06:00 GMT
#111
On March 04 2010 04:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:
I think the hellion is better thought of as a (cheap, mobile, fragile) lurker than a vulture. Mind you, they're totally not the same but I think the comparison is more apt than that of the vulture. Like straight-line-move-burrow lurkers and attack-moved vultures, I'm pretty sure straight attack-moved hellions are really bad. Because they aren't as responsive as the hit-and-run vultures, positioning might be more important.

Just my two cents.



Tru dat. I'd have to disagree with OP. At least it still costs no gas, still serves as a meat shield for the rest of the T army, melts away any ling there may be, etc etc.

In terms of the usefulness in the harass department, P don't really always get cannons that early. You can still dick around with the hellions vs the zealots no problem. Also, upgraded helions kill workerS (note plural) in two hits, 3 hits unupgraded. A well placed shot in a drilling worker line = no more workers.

I think the hellion earned its place in the army unit mix IMO and is worth having as a meat shield just like its sc1 counterpart.
Bronze skipping straight to Diamond in 40 games retail release. Bnet 2.0 ladder really takes it's sweet time to think about that league placement.
fyyer
Profile Joined February 2010
United States145 Posts
March 05 2010 06:09 GMT
#112
On March 05 2010 13:42 Deviation wrote:
I don't hate the Hellion as a unit. I just hate its model.


Agree x10. Looks like a little childs RC car. It's one of the more pathetic models in game.
Iris7
Profile Joined March 2010
Angola39 Posts
March 05 2010 06:42 GMT
#113
The Reaper is really the new early harass unit... but god blizzard.. if you would have asked any terran... which unit they couldn't live without from sc1... vulture
sc1: 3a.4a.5a.6a.7a. sc2 5a.6a.
zomgzergrush
Profile Joined August 2008
United States923 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 08:22:48
March 05 2010 08:15 GMT
#114
On March 05 2010 15:42 Iris7 wrote:
The Reaper is really the new early harass unit... but god blizzard.. if you would have asked any terran... which unit they couldn't live without from sc1... vulture


Did you not see


On March 05 2010 08:17 Iris7 wrote:
.. and it's not like they're beyond saving.. just a slightly faster rxn time would make them sexy as hell.. it' just when early zealots get in your base and you can't utilize the hellions speed to deal with the rush.

I will say though.. that if you're in the middle of the map.. you can run away /// like alot more than you would with the vulture.. and you can micro effectively that way.. but in close quarters... against aggressive tear one units.. the helion should be much faster on the draw.


you don't NEED helion speed to deal with zealots. you can micro them vs zealots just fine without losing them. I don't know what kind of micro you're pulling off but zealots shouldn't be able to win vs helions in a micro battle.
Bronze skipping straight to Diamond in 40 games retail release. Bnet 2.0 ladder really takes it's sweet time to think about that league placement.
zomgzergrush
Profile Joined August 2008
United States923 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 08:23:10
March 05 2010 08:22 GMT
#115
*oops double post*
Bronze skipping straight to Diamond in 40 games retail release. Bnet 2.0 ladder really takes it's sweet time to think about that league placement.
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 08:25:35
March 05 2010 08:24 GMT
#116
I tried mixing Hellions in against a protoss army today. Old school style. EMP/Tanks/Hellion (Supposed to be the meat shield, joke of a game, wanted to get out of the bio, support build playstyle), but uh, between Zealot Charge and one Colossus pulse, you could potentially lose all of the hellions before your tanks get their 3rd rounds off. Vultures could body block at least, now zealots just swipe them aside.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
March 05 2010 08:31 GMT
#117
On March 05 2010 17:24 Railz wrote:
I tried mixing Hellions in against a protoss army today. Old school style. EMP/Tanks/Hellion (Supposed to be the meat shield, joke of a game, wanted to get out of the bio, support build playstyle), but uh, between Zealot Charge and one Colossus pulse, you could potentially lose all of the hellions before your tanks get their 3rd rounds off. Vultures could body block at least, now zealots just swipe them aside.


Yeah, I personally don't think they work so well for blocking. They're mainly supposed to get the hell out of the way of anything. They're a serious micro unit. I like them, still.
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CroDeadman
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia76 Posts
March 05 2010 08:32 GMT
#118
Hellion is awesome and anyone who thinks otherwise is just wrong.

It requires certain circumstances to be used or timed attacks which most people have still not developed in Beta and is not suprising they didnt.

I really like the hellion, in fact its my 2nd fav terran unit after Raven.
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Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
March 05 2010 09:31 GMT
#119
Since T already has reapers for harass, how about changing the role of the hellion a bit?

Make it an option on par with the siege tanks but with a different purpose. Make it so that a player can choose to actually replace the backbone of their army usually reserved for tanks with hellions. Right now, most people only pump tanks from the factory with the occasional thors here and there. How about making the player choose whether they want tanks or hellions out of their factories as part of their mid-game army?
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Cyrox
Profile Joined October 2007
Sweden147 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 09:44:38
March 05 2010 09:43 GMT
#120
It's not a Vulture and it's a very useful unit.
End of story.

EDIT:
I guess you guys dont play mech vs Z much. (in SC2 yes)
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