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tancor
Barbados55 Posts
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On March 05 2010 18:31 Gliche wrote: Since T already has reapers for harass, how about changing the role of the hellion a bit? Make it an option on par with the siege tanks but with a different purpose. Make it so that a player can choose to actually replace the backbone of their army usually reserved for tanks with hellions. Right now, most people only pump tanks from the factory with the occasional thors here and there. How about making the player choose whether they want tanks or hellions out of their factories as part of their mid-game army? A lot of people are talking about just reapers for harass but the fact of the matter is reapers don't always work. Not only if the opponent is prepared for it but also if the map simply doesn't allow it. On March 05 2010 17:24 Railz wrote: I tried mixing Hellions in against a protoss army today. Old school style. EMP/Tanks/Hellion (Supposed to be the meat shield, joke of a game, wanted to get out of the bio, support build playstyle), but uh, between Zealot Charge and one Colossus pulse, you could potentially lose all of the hellions before your tanks get their 3rd rounds off. Vultures could body block at least, now zealots just swipe them aside. As for tank/hellion/ghost vs toss, I think thor/maurader/medvac + hellion meat is a better way to go. Obviously try not to take too much of a beating from that colossus. The thors with their special ability are great for sniping the colossii. By no means advocating this as the best way to go, just what I've noticed works. | ||
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Pufftrees
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Clonze
Canada281 Posts
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Iris7
Angola39 Posts
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Zhek
Canada342 Posts
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
Yeah, Hellions have a (very) niche use. That doesn't make them a solid unit. People seem to easily forget that the uses for Vultures in SC were multifaceted. They could harass, they could protect tanks from close range threats, and they laid spider mines which had amazing utility. The Hellion just doesn't have what it takes to be that type of reliable, load-carrying unit in your average terran army. In fact, this problem is seen in other Terran units now as well, and has a lot to do with bio being preferred as the safe and steady route in pretty much all matchups. And in reality, that's what it will come down to - what strategies will win you the most games. On March 07 2010 15:09 Zhek wrote: I <3 Helions. Sure, they're not very useful when the protoss decides to stop shitting zealots, but against a zergling, unless he's going roaches or hydra, they're solid ground units against zerglings, if backed by marines to handle Mutas. See, it's just responses like this that eat at me. 'Unless a zerg is going roaches or hydra'? When is that not happening? It's like saying that Hellions are great unless the Terran you're against mixes in marauders with his marines. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 07 2010 15:34 QibingZero wrote: See, it's just responses like this that eat at me. 'Unless a zerg is going roaches or hydra'? When is that not happening? It's like saying that Hellions are great unless the Terran you're against mixes in marauders with his marines. Actually, Hellions are extremely powerful against Roach builds, because while Hellions can't fight the Roaches, they prevent the opponent from pushing out. The opponent is stuck keeping 2 Roaches on his ramp, and can't risk sending drones to mine at his natural until he has enough units to kill Hellions before they can get off 2 shots on drones. If he tries to push, he risks a Hellion backstab that will empty his main before he even gets to your base. The CowGoMoo vs. CauthonLuck game shown on Day[9]'s stream a couple days ago is a good example of this. Also, with good positioning, Hellions shit on Hydras. The majority of Hellion damage being bonus damage limits its use in TvP, but there are plenty of units in both SC1 and SC2 that are used exclusively in one or two matchups. As far as I've seen, it's solid enough throughout the game in TvZ to be a worthy unit. | ||
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tancor
Barbados55 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.ressim.net/upload/cfb997e9.jpg) dustin says:" I do not care about .. I'm C&C designer uhuhuhu.." User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Sorry to disappoint you, it is a new unit  | ||
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Simsar
Sweden27 Posts
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Iris7
Angola39 Posts
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
In the attack I talked about recently I think it was 8 hellions vs 7 zeals and 5 or 6 stalkers, I had the damage output upgraded and micro'd so his units would rush one hellion then i would move the side hellions to crosshatch the zeals, they were toast in 2 flames, with a loss of one and one slightly damaged, then i moved past the stalkers to stop his eco. after his eco died (lost 2 hellions due to stalkers learning blink) I trailed the stalkers into a wall off in his base and before they could get blink off I simply surrounded them. IMO Vultures needed love and care to earn appreciation in Broodwar, so tell me why hellions dont deserve it aswell? I however dont agree with the model of the unit, it's pretty boring and toylike, put the game on lowest and watch them bounce when they move, they do a full wheelie... | ||
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lol.Froste
United States112 Posts
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
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petered
United States1817 Posts
am i the only freak who thinks a toy car with a god damn flame thrower on top is awesome No, I think they are pretty cool and a lot of fun to watch. I am thinking sexy micro is in the near future for the hellion. Don't get me wrong, the vulture was sweet, but the hellion is pretty awesome too. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On March 08 2010 16:32 lol.Froste wrote: am i the only freak who thinks a toy car with a god damn flame thrower on top is awesome its awesome when you are 10years old and are a fan of robot arena stuff. as a terran unit? no please seriously not. also copy pasting a c&c unit is the lamest thing ever in the history of sc development. | ||
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lol.Froste
United States112 Posts
On March 08 2010 16:54 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: its awesome when you are 10years old and are a fan of robot arena stuff. as a terran unit? no please seriously not. also copy pasting a c&c unit is the lamest thing ever in the history of sc development. well im not ten and i dont like robot arenas either your point is invalid! | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3359 Posts
And there is the uncool factor too Firebat was cool, vulture was cool, hellion not so much. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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