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Like many people, I have been concerned about the lack of chat on bnet. Many have commented on this, but I haven't seen a thread devoted to it yet (On TL).
I have always had faith in Blizzard to do things better (than any other games developer) and so i try to look at this issue with an open mind rather than skepticism.
I played Dawn of War 2 for short while when it first came out. I remember ranting to my friends about how useless developers are creating an online interface (windows live) so rubbish that it is not even as good as battle.net (which is 12 ancient technology by now) And today much to my disappointment, the first thing which went through my head when i saw bnet 2.0 was "windows live with a new skin".
Something the original battle.net had, which no other game I have played has been able to replicate, is the sense of community and scale. I think this is largely due to the simple, functional chat system. This worked so well that people would camp out chat channels even when they were not playing. There was a reason to be connected even if you were not going to have a game.
When i first started to play on live, it felt much more empty and less fun. I assumed the lack of chat was due to the fact that live caters for console gamers which obviously don't chat as efficiently as a PC user would. I never thought this concept would have carried on to one of blizzards creations. However, considering this is the case, i have to accept that maybe there are good reasons why.
Obvious disadvantages of chat would be:
-Spam
-Proliferation of dubious advertisement
-Obscenities
-Teenagers with verbal diarrhea
-Consumers experience being ruined by rubbish in chat (lets admit, back in the day bnet chat was exploding with crap no matter which channel you were in. There were times i felt like i was getting dumber by the second just from being exposed to it)
Obvious advantages would be:
-More potential for creating online friendships
-Greater sense of community
-General ease and convenience and communicating, especially with multiple people at once.
-Satisfying my nostalgia for bnet
I'm confident that Bnet 2.0 will be WAY cooler than windows live, considering all the league stuff i have noticed which impresses me greatly (as someone who likes to play competitively). But how will the current lack of chat effect out experience? I would like to get some more opinions from people in the TL community and maybe some more insight as to why this has evolved and how it will work.
other things to consider:
public channels, private channels, or both?
are online communities strong enough to support the everyday player without the need for in game large scale public chat, and how will the new players discover these communities?
Is the presence of channels full of e-raging pre pubecent teenagers enough to drive new or sensitive players away from the game?
I know from experience, one thing which made WoW more accessible to a wide audience (besides it being easier than using Velcro straps to do up your shoes) is that people seemed to be more mature, well mannered and helpful when compared to starcraft/ warcraft. (At the other end of the spectrum you have counter strike chat which is a cess pool of blasphemous vulgarities). Could this be a reason for lack of chat?
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Agreed chat rooms definitely needs to be added.
From the live streams, battle.net looks so empty with no sense of community. Hopefully Blizzard will add it in time for release.
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Belgium9947 Posts
Chat rooms need to be added 100%.
The Battle.net chatrooms are one of the reasons the SC community is as tightly nit as it is now, imo.
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On February 18 2010 22:13 Highways wrote:
battle.net looks so empty with no sense of community.
This is one thing that i really hope they are going to "fix"
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I wholeheartedly agree. I miss the days of talking strategy post-game and then having the conversation end up somewhere completely different. It created more of a sense of camaraderie than the perfunctory "glhf" "gg" I see in most games.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On February 18 2010 22:17 RaGe wrote:
Chat rooms need to be added 100%.
The Battle.net chatrooms are one of the reasons the SC community is as tightly nit as it is now, imo.
absolutely
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Poll: CHATROOMS!
(Vote): YES
(Vote): NO
(Vote): OTHER
BRING CHATROOMS BACK PETITION
/signed CharlieMurphy
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what's gonna happen anyways, is people are gonna just make custom games like "CHAT HERE" "ZERG STRATEGY" etc. Or they will be forced to use other means of chat rooms like AIM, IRC, etc. It's pretty retarded if you ask me, every game since the internet has had chat rooms. doesn't make sense to take them out.
It'd be like throwing out the trade channel in WoW or something.
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Didn't Blizzard say that there would be a post-game chat opportunity? Did that ever get implemented?
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On the topic of this, how are we supposed to add people when we can usually only see the first part of their name? I wanted to add someone after a game but the only thing is left is the main part of his name and I can't find the second part anywhere...
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I thought i heard that something may be implemented later, but it wont be exactly like the original bnet chat.
I just hope the reason it isn't an integral part of bnet is not because of spammers/ hackers/ botters. Removing channels because of that would be like not letting people swim at the beach because some kids will pee in the water.
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no chat rooms are really discouraging for new players
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One thing which bothered me about the live system where you 'send messages' to friends, is that its too formal. When i want to send someone a message i feel like i would at home when i want to call a friend on the phone after hours as if i could potentially be interrupting something.
And on the other hand, i don't want intrusive ambiguous notifications that someone has messaged me while i'm playing. Especially when it's someone saying 'sup dawg' and you could a just read it on the fly with the old whisper command.
What if my friend comes online and asks if he has time to have a game before my current game finishes so we can 2v2? If that message doesn't pop right up for me to read mid game, then there's no point even sending it. Simple things like this can't happen.
Chat channels are casual and informal, and it's as if the people there obviously expect conversation.
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On February 18 2010 22:35 disco wrote:
Didn't Blizzard say that there would be a post-game chat opportunity? Did that ever get implemented?
Haven't seen any post-game chat. It's not too hard to look up your opponents profile and send him a pm or something though.
But yeah, no chat rooms really confused me. The new friendslist/party system is nice but it's definitely not a replacement for actual chat.
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On February 18 2010 22:43 aLt)nirvana wrote:
no chat rooms are really discouraging for new players
wat
wat
wat
seriously you think its more discouraging to see people chat about the game/other subjects than to see an empty screen and a few buttons here and there and not knowing what the hell am i supposed to do, if he had the chat he could ask his questions directly there.
for players with no friends that play sc2 its going to be a fucking grueling experience to try and get freinds, you cant just say in the middle of a game if the person wants to be your friend ffs.
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Blizzard did say they were going to implement public chat rooms but they wouldn't be ready at initial release. Disappointing but they are being implemented. This petition really isn't necessary.
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Pretty much every blizzard game has had chat rooms up to sc2, really don't know what they were thinking on this one.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Another reason to add chat:
On February 18 2010 11:58 -orb- wrote:
should create a tl sc2 beta irc channel imo
#tlsc2 or something... a place people can hang out when they're available to play sc2 to get games together
if only I could play.... fucking assholes at blizzard and their terribad system of giving random people beta ahead of people that paid hundreds of dollars
Yeah, so far I'm liking Starcraft 2 the GAME. Not so hot on Battle.net 2.0.
On February 18 2010 22:37 opiuman wrote:
On the topic of this, how are we supposed to add people when we can usually only see the first part of their name? I wanted to add someone after a game but the only thing is left is the main part of his name and I can't find the second part anywhere...
Yeah, this as well. I played with some TL:er and only by dumb luck was I able to add him after the game... because his identifier was teamliquid xD
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I am for chat channels 100%. Many times I've logged on only to chat with other players - when studying it's good to still be able to talk to all your friends. Also - if there's a limit on party sizes, how on earth are you supposed to have a large conversation? Or organise a tournament? Or communicate with another 2v2 group in the same place?
Also, there's no was they can't implement a channel for clan chat, so I don't see how the code for chat won't already be in the system. It should be very simple to allow people to create their own public and private channels.
Edit:
They're surely going to try and tap into their lucrative WoW base as well, and I think a "must have" feature for these players would be an interface with their WoW guild chat. If they are planning to allow cross-game chat, what on earth is with the no channels?
Also, this, except I thought that you could see the second part of their name post-match and in the replay.
On February 18 2010 22:37 opiuman wrote:
On the topic of this, how are we supposed to add people when we can usually only see the first part of their name? I wanted to add someone after a game but the only thing is left is the main part of his name and I can't find the second part anywhere...
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I think they'll add chat rooms soon. The "social" button is greyed out, that's probably going to be where chatrooms etc will be.
On February 18 2010 22:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:Another reason to add chat: Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 11:58 -orb- wrote:
should create a tl sc2 beta irc channel imo
#tlsc2 or something... a place people can hang out when they're available to play sc2 to get games together
if only I could play.... fucking assholes at blizzard and their terribad system of giving random people beta ahead of people that paid hundreds of dollars Yeah, so far I'm liking Starcraft 2 the GAME. Not so hot on Battle.net 2.0. Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 22:37 opiuman wrote:
On the topic of this, how are we supposed to add people when we can usually only see the first part of their name? I wanted to add someone after a game but the only thing is left is the main part of his name and I can't find the second part anywhere... Yeah, this as well. I played with some TL:er and only by dumb luck was I able to add him after the game... because his identifier was teamliquid xD
You can add me if you want (id is stormsin.july ) I've mostly been solo laddering because it's hard to find people on EU beta! On the upside i'm rank 5 platinum now 
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Yeah chat channels definitely need to come back. I logged onto BNet for my first 10 games or so filled with excitement.But the sad fact is that despite my overwhelming excitement for the game, the BNet experience seemed cold, desolate and lonely. (SC2 has been awesome though)
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the one thing I kept feeling sitting there finding games was the lack of presence from another person being online. it felt really isolated, even using the silly chat feature they have. would love to have channels just to join and talk with others about the game and find games that won't be against shitty people who only make drones all game T_T
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very annoying without channels, they could at least allow you to organize your friend's list
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I'm still not seeing it in the replay, I know it's on the end game thing but how do you bring that one up again. Going to recent games in the profile only lists the first part still :[
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On February 18 2010 22:35 disco wrote:
Didn't Blizzard say that there would be a post-game chat opportunity? Did that ever get implemented?
There's a game lobby.
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On February 18 2010 22:51 Puosu wrote:
wat
wat
wat
seriously you think its more discouraging to see people chat about the game/other subjects than to see an empty screen and a few buttons here and there and not knowing what the hell am i supposed to do, if he had the chat he could ask his questions directly there.
for players with no friends that play sc2 its going to be a fucking grueling experience to try and get freinds, you cant just say in the middle of a game if the person wants to be your friend ffs.
Thats what i meant. I meant "No chat rooms are really discourgaing for new players..." not "no, chat rooms..."
I hate this feeling of being online and not knowing if theres anyone else on.
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Chatrooms will be added, I have no doubt about that - not the slightest of worry tbh.
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What about the feature of checking ladder rankings over blizzard website? This was a awesome feature @ Wc3. I hope they will implement this for Sc 2 too!
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On February 19 2010 01:32 Kyuki wrote:
Chatrooms will be added, I have no doubt about that - not the slightest of worry tbh.
My feeling as well. I think the lack of chat rooms has more to do with b.net 2 being in beta.
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As someone who didn't really care before, after watching streams it does feel quite disconnected. All the beta testers need to post on battle net like a poll or something.
If Blizzard's existing solution was a sufficient replacement, then we would naturally forget about chat channels, but since it isn't, this is evidence they are still needed.
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United States7166 Posts
no chat channels is such a lonely experience. i login and i see nobody except buddy list, it's really weird.
how are you supposed to easily meet new people and make new friends w/o channels? ive so many thoughts on this but no time to go into em all right now, but this something they really need to add.
i just really hope they improve the interface as well, i dont see why they couldnt make it more like hon's server
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On February 19 2010 02:16 Zelniq wrote:
no chat channels is such a lonely experience. i login and i see nobody except buddy list, it's really weird.
how are you supposed to easily meet new people and make new friends w/o channels? ive so many thoughts on this but no time to go into em all right now, but this something they really need to add.
i just really hope they improve the interface as well, i dont see why they couldnt make it more like hon's server
Yup that's what i was thinking i mean without channels how am i suppose to scrim with people when i want to i have to friend them first which frankly i don't like to do because what if i don't like the fellow, then spam them asking for game rather then just asking if anyone wants to play in a channel.
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Does anyone know how to whisper? The typical /w command doesn't seem to present.
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only command i know is /r for replying when people message. i've yet to find what whisper is, and /help doesn't do anything like it should T_T
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Without chat channels (old battle net system), StarCraft 2 will be missing a big part of what made broodwar so great... I really hope blizzard realizes this =(
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I like how they add all these cool features to talk to friends, but how do you think nearly 100% of these online friendships began? In a chat room!
When I was a little newb growing up in Clan ~Nohunters and x17 before replays I use to obs games between really amazing players and that really inspired me to improve and to attempt new strategies. Not to mention when those players would obs you? Holy fuck - the pressure was on and it brought me to play my best.
But without chat, I really doubt I would have ever found teamliquid, in turn liquidpoker, and in turn positively impact my life. All because a fucking chat room introduced me to this. It's amazing when I think about this now.
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It's kinda stunning how much of a brain fart must have happened for them to say no to chat rooms during a meeting...(meeting = chatroom lol)
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On February 24 2010 11:10 PluS wrote:
8 losers voting no huh
i would like to know why u would not want a chat channel from them
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On February 18 2010 22:17 RaGe wrote:
Chat rooms need to be added 100%.
The Battle.net chatrooms are one of the reasons the SC community is as tightly nit as it is now, imo.
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On February 18 2010 22:37 opiuman wrote:
On the topic of this, how are we supposed to add people when we can usually only see the first part of their name? I wanted to add someone after a game but the only thing is left is the main part of his name and I can't find the second part anywhere...
From most interface screens you can right-click someone's name and add him to friends. It works on the victory screen and the ladder pages.
Bnet2 definitely needs private chatrooms though.
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On February 18 2010 22:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:Another reason to add chat: Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 11:58 -orb- wrote:
should create a tl sc2 beta irc channel imo
#tlsc2 or something... a place people can hang out when they're available to play sc2 to get games together
if only I could play.... fucking assholes at blizzard and their terribad system of giving random people beta ahead of people that paid hundreds of dollars Yeah, so far I'm liking Starcraft 2 the GAME. Not so hot on Battle.net 2.0.
I agree. From what I've seen, BNET2.0 looks cute but doesn't do much...
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For some reason I remember reading that blizzard's whole goal with bnet 2 is to get the level of cross game chat functionality that bnet1 had by letting you chat even with wow players or some such.
There's no way they'd let b.net2 be such a downgrade, perhaps the chat functionality was something holding back the beta so they moved on without it to keep the game development rolling?
Can't possibly see the game launching without channels
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Yeah I don't get why beta took so long to come out if it was for "refining bnet2" when we get maybe 1/5th of what "bnet2" actually is.
Sometimes I'll be talking to someone while in a game or replay with /r, and /r will just stop working, and it'll say "To []" instead of to my friend, it's really annoying.
To f add someone, right after a game right click their id in the scoreboard and hit friend add. You can look at the scoreboard for a game in your recent game list (like 5 games I think) under your own profile if you decide to add someone after closing the initial scoreboard.
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Bnet2.0 is a big let down. I was hoping for a new and improved Bnet with all the features SC and WC3 had but more -- not missing half the features and others just modified/re-skinned.
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On February 24 2010 12:14 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Yeah I don't get why beta took so long to come out if it was for "refining bnet2" when we get maybe 1/5th of what "bnet2" actually is.
Because I doubt they give you 100% Bnet 2.0 functionality just for the sake of beta. It will most definitely have more features and functions than what is present right now.
Everyone should just calm down and stop expecting every single thing given to them on a silver platter from the very start and have some patience.
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Personally, I never used the General chat room to socialize. They are too large and always end up in cesspool. I mostly met people in the game lobby before a game starts, especially in custom games and Use map setting.
I hope these will make a re-appearance.
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On February 24 2010 12:18 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 12:14 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Yeah I don't get why beta took so long to come out if it was for "refining bnet2" when we get maybe 1/5th of what "bnet2" actually is. Because I doubt they give you 100% Bnet 2.0 functionality just for the sake of beta. It will most definitely have more features and functions than what is present right now. Everyone should just calm down and stop expecting every single thing given to them on a silver platter from the very start and have some patience.
My complaint isn't necessarily in what we don't have accessible in bnet2, but in how long it took to give us such an incomplete interface. When I heard beta was being delayed because of work needed to be done on bnet2 I was anticipating a more complete and less buggy interface. The current bnet2 and the ranked-matching system is just very disapointing, it's lacking and buggy.
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Having the chat channel is crucial to keeping a successful team imo. Every team has a meeting place, and have friends and followers who like to hang out there too. It's easy to set up games, and great for talking to your friends which just strengthens our community even more.
I'm going to be ridiculously upset if there isn't a way for us to do this, and i know iwont be the only one..
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On February 24 2010 12:18 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 12:14 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Yeah I don't get why beta took so long to come out if it was for "refining bnet2" when we get maybe 1/5th of what "bnet2" actually is. Because I doubt they give you 100% Bnet 2.0 functionality just for the sake of beta. It will most definitely have more features and functions than what is present right now. Everyone should just calm down and stop expecting every single thing given to them on a silver platter from the very start and have some patience.
The point of a beta is not to be quiet and assume things will change. Whether or not refinements to Bnet2.0 are in the works (and they likely are) the more people talk about something (i.e. complain) the more likely it is to receive some attention.
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Not sure if anyone has forgotten or not, but Battle.net 2.0 is in BETA as well, and not all of the features are implimpented.
Also, if you look there is a whole "Social" button on the top left that is grayed out. Be patient, we'll get chat.
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leomon
Canada169 Posts
Chat Rooms are definitely a thing that is on top of my most wanted list.
There were times when I just didn't feel like playing a game of SC and just chat with my friends on Bnet. Once you're in game, you'll rather concentrate on your game. Oh sure there's the usual chit-chat, but when half your attention is in the game, the conversations usually become dull, or the game quality is less than perfect.
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i think the chat should work different from original if they do implent it
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On February 18 2010 22:29 CharlieMurphy wrote:Poll: CHATROOMS!( Vote): YES ( Vote): NO ( Vote): OTHER BRING CHATROOMS BACK PETITION/signed CharlieMurphy
Who the fuck said No and what would be the other lol?
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Absolutely need chat channels. Why on earth they thought it was a good idea not to have them in Battle.net 2.0 is an absolute mind-fuck.
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On February 24 2010 14:03 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 22:29 CharlieMurphy wrote:Poll: CHATROOMS!( Vote): YES ( Vote): NO ( Vote): OTHER BRING CHATROOMS BACK PETITION/signed CharlieMurphy Who the fuck said No and what would be the other lol?
Something like chatroulette on battlenet?
I really hope not
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The hell with chat channels, I want my LAN back damnit!
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On February 18 2010 22:10 Wretched wrote:
Obvious disadvantages of chat would be:
-Spam
-Proliferation of dubious advertisement
-Obscenities
-Teenagers with verbal diarrhea
-Consumers experience being ruined by rubbish in chat (lets admit, back in the day bnet chat was exploding with crap no matter which channel you were in. There were times i felt like i was getting dumber by the second just from being exposed to it)
I know from experience, one thing which made WoW more accessible to a wide audience (besides it being easier than using Velcro straps to do up your shoes) is that people seemed to be more mature, well mannered and helpful when compared to starcraft/ warcraft. (At the other end of the spectrum you have counter strike chat which is a cess pool of blasphemous vulgarities). Could this be a reason for lack of chat?
Even if all of this was the case, they could just add something within the options menu "Enable chat interface" or something, just as they do with the profanity filter.
The two things I dislike about B.NET 2.0 is the lack of chat (feels like I'm playing singleplayer campaign almost, though a really fun one) and the lack of clan support.
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