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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:26 EvilSky wrote: White-Ra played so bad vs Rainbow :/ I think it was just more of rainbow completely danced circle around whitera, not that ra played bad the unit micro from the koreans is just LEAGUES ahead of foreigners currently from games like this. Really contradicts all the "there is no micro and sc2 has a low skill ceiling" If anyone tries to say that, point them off to Rainbow/tester games. | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
(Edit: Referring to King of the Beta of course.) | ||
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:38 baconbits wrote: I think it was just more of rainbow completely danced circle around whitera, not that ra played bad the unit micro from the koreans is just LEAGUES ahead of foreigners currently from games like this. Really contradicts all the "there is no micro and sc2 has a low skill ceiling" If anyone tries to say that, point them off to Rainbow/tester games. No, WhiteRa did play badly. There were several glaring mistakes, for 1, in the cheese game, WhiteRa revealed his cheese before it was scouted, allowing ITR to start the second barracks which was key in him getting the large marine ball. He also missed a critical FF to block his choke. These arent mistakes people expect WhiteRa to make, so they say that WhiteRa played badly, according to the high standard that people have set for him. Also, the whole thing about the "there is no micro and sc2 has a low skill ceiling" arguement, is that Tester and ITR may have already hit the 'skillcap' so to speak. Personally, I don't subscribe to this belief, but I could see how one could use the Koreans' play as evidence for this arguement. On July 22 2010 23:41 FrogOfWar wrote: It would be sooooooo great if games could be updated here or in the tourney thread so that one doesn't have to dig around for them and get spoiled (which also happens when one goes directly to Blip and there is or isn't a game 3). (Edit: Referring to King of the Beta of course.) They are updated in the tourney thread. Check the first post, spoiler free VODs. | ||
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roliax
135 Posts
On July 23 2010 00:45 Chriamon wrote: Also, the whole thing about the "there is no micro and sc2 has a low skill ceiling" arguement, is that Tester and ITR may have already hit the 'skillcap' so to speak. Personally, I don't subscribe to this belief, but I could see how one could use the Koreans' play as evidence for this arguement. I'm not exactly sure what your point is here, but the Tester's micro reminds me of broodwar micro. I'm positive whitera had all his zealots in one control group while Tester was obviously microing single units at certain times. His micro was completely insane and the whole time I was just thinking "there is no way whitera can win". I bet even if whitera didn't expose his probe, Tester could still have a decent chance of winning. | ||
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On July 23 2010 00:45 Chriamon wrote: No, WhiteRa did play badly. There were several glaring mistakes, for 1, in the cheese game, WhiteRa revealed his cheese before it was scouted, allowing ITR to start the second barracks which was key in him getting the large marine ball. He also missed a critical FF to block his choke. These arent mistakes people expect WhiteRa to make, so they say that WhiteRa played badly, according to the high standard that people have set for him. Also, the whole thing about the "there is no micro and sc2 has a low skill ceiling" arguement, is that Tester and ITR may have already hit the 'skillcap' so to speak. Personally, I don't subscribe to this belief, but I could see how one could use the Koreans' play as evidence for this arguement. yeah he shouldn't have revealed himself, but even so, rainbow's unit control was seriously VERY VERY good and honestly I don't think the cheese would've worked even if he didn't reveal. I really don't see how people could reach a "skill ceiling" just in beta. That's like going to practice with the mets, hitting a home run and considering yourself as good as babe ruth. There's always room for improvement, especially with unit control which is what these korean players seem to be much better at. Dunno; the whole mantra lately is that macro is king, and some of these games easily show that good micro is still viable. macro mechanics sure there is a point where you can't improve too much, but micro is pure play style and always has room to get better. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On July 23 2010 05:40 FlamingTurd wrote: I seriously don't understand y they don't just sticky this thread??? +1 vote to sticky. This tread has been at the top 10 from day(1). there is no reason to sticky. | ||
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ta2
125 Posts
I find it extremely strange how Day[9] gets such a small amount of views on his YouTube videos. Specifically, the latest tournament he is running. The matches he has casted are between the very best players, yet he only has ~5,000 views on them (after a day). In the mean time, HD and Husky get ~50,000 views in the same period of time. They are all great commentators, however personally I think Day[9] is a little step above the rest (don't get me wrong, the Day[9] daily is awesome, though his commentaries don't quite compare). Similarly, PsyStarcraft is also great, yet gets a disproportionally low amount of views when you consider the quality of his casts. Hmpf, I guess that is the difference that advertising makes!  Anyway, big props to Day[9], hope more people check out his videos. P.S. Day[9] if you're reading this, the default video channel could do with changing, I have heard the first 3 seconds of you shouting "Oh my god, ladies and gentle people" about 20 times now.  | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
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elroy
United States51 Posts
ta2 July 23 2010 07:53. Posts 74 PM Profile Quote # Apologies if this has been mentioned before... I find it extremely strange how Day[9] gets such a small amount of views on his YouTube videos. Specifically, the latest tournament he is running. The matches he has casted are between the very best players, yet he only has ~5,000 views on them (after a day). In the mean time, HD and Husky get ~50,000 views in the same period of time. They are all great commentators, however personally I think Day[9] is a little step above the rest (don't get me wrong, the Day[9] daily is awesome, though his commentaries don't quite compare). Similarly, PsyStarcraft is also great, yet gets a disproportionally low amount of views when you consider the quality of his casts. Hmpf, I guess that is the difference that advertising makes! Anyway, big props to Day[9], hope more people check out his videos. P.S. Day[9] if you're reading this, the default video channel could do with changing, I have heard the first 3 seconds of you shouting "Oh my god, ladies and gentle people" about 20 times now. I think most people watch his videos from his blip account because they aren't split into multiple different videos for a single game. | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On July 23 2010 07:53 ta2 wrote: Apologies if this has been mentioned before... I find it extremely strange how Day[9] gets such a small amount of views on his YouTube videos. Specifically, the latest tournament he is running. The matches he has casted are between the very best players, yet he only has ~5,000 views on them (after a day). In the mean time, HD and Husky get ~50,000 views in the same period of time. They are all great commentators, however personally I think Day[9] is a little step above the rest (don't get me wrong, the Day[9] daily is awesome, though his commentaries don't quite compare). Similarly, PsyStarcraft is also great, yet gets a disproportionally low amount of views when you consider the quality of his casts. Hmpf, I guess that is the difference that advertising makes! Anyway, big props to Day[9], hope more people check out his videos. P.S. Day[9] if you're reading this, the default video channel could do with changing, I have heard the first 3 seconds of you shouting "Oh my god, ladies and gentle people" about 20 times now. marketing marketing marketing HD & Husky are famous among SC2 low and mid tier players, if you wanna watch a VOD you go to youtube, you enter starcraft and their vods are on the top with a ton of views (equals quality right?) Thats how i found my way into SC2. | ||
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jarlelin
Norway31 Posts
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Roniii
United States289 Posts
On July 23 2010 08:06 jarlelin wrote: Its annoying to parse the entire page looking for it from top to bottom every time. I do a quick ctrl+f day[9 and it is found | ||
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On July 23 2010 07:53 ta2 wrote: Apologies if this has been mentioned before... I find it extremely strange how Day[9] gets such a small amount of views on his YouTube videos. Specifically, the latest tournament he is running. The matches he has casted are between the very best players, yet he only has ~5,000 views on them (after a day). In the mean time, HD and Husky get ~50,000 views in the same period of time. They are all great commentators, however personally I think Day[9] is a little step above the rest (don't get me wrong, the Day[9] daily is awesome, though his commentaries don't quite compare). Similarly, PsyStarcraft is also great, yet gets a disproportionally low amount of views when you consider the quality of his casts. Hmpf, I guess that is the difference that advertising makes! Anyway, big props to Day[9], hope more people check out his videos. P.S. Day[9] if you're reading this, the default video channel could do with changing, I have heard the first 3 seconds of you shouting "Oh my god, ladies and gentle people" about 20 times now. Don't bother watching it on YouTube It's 10x better on blip simply because its all one video and the HD actually works consistently. It's nice being able to just sit back and watch it all the way through rather than having to hunt down the next video in the series, which is a massive pain on YouTube. Oh, and you should also consider that a lot of people watch the live premiers. | ||
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virgozero
Canada412 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:38 baconbits wrote: I think it was just more of rainbow completely danced circle around whitera, not that ra played bad the unit micro from the koreans is just LEAGUES ahead of foreigners currently from games like this. Really contradicts all the "there is no micro and sc2 has a low skill ceiling" If anyone tries to say that, point them off to Rainbow/tester games. hi there can you stop sucking korean cock and actually watch the game like you have a brain? At least pretend to? IntoTheRainbow forgot to scout his own fucking base. That cheese is something that is done in a fucking silver ladder. The fact that WhiteRa has the confidence to this on a $3000 prize pool tournament shows he has balls. Not only that, but the only reason why IntoTheRainbow won was because whitera showed his probe a bit too early. That was a mistake on whitera's part. MEANING WHITERA MADE AN OBVIOUS MISTAKE, intotherainbow DID NOT OWN whitera in anyway. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:26 EvilSky wrote: White-Ra played so bad vs Rainbow :/ i really just think these foreigners appear as bad against them because tester and intotherainbow r so god damn good :p | ||
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Graven
United States314 Posts
On July 23 2010 08:15 virgozero wrote: hi there can you stop sucking korean cock and actually watch the game like you have a brain? At least pretend to? IntoTheRainbow forgot to scout his own fucking base. That cheese is something that is done in a fucking silver ladder. The fact that WhiteRa has the confidence to this on a $3000 prize pool tournament shows he has balls. Not only that, but the only reason why IntoTheRainbow won was because whitera showed his probe a bit too early. That was a mistake on whitera's part. MEANING WHITERA MADE AN OBVIOUS MISTAKE, intotherainbow DID NOT OWN whitera in anyway. Wow...I really have no idea what you were watching, haha. White-Ra was completely over-matched in the series. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On July 23 2010 08:31 Graven wrote: Wow...I really have no idea what you were watching, haha. White-Ra was completely over-matched in the series. He's talking about the first match. ITR completely missed the proxy until white-ra scouted with the probe. If he had just left it, ITR wouldn't have had time to react. | ||
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virgozero
Canada412 Posts
On July 23 2010 08:34 Backpack wrote: He's talking about the first match. ITR completely missed the proxy until white-ra scouted with the probe. If he had just left it, ITR wouldn't have had time to react. Yes and not just that. WhiiteRa (from pase1) had excellent macro. In phase 2 hes just been playing horribly. We've seen him been way better (HDH, TL invite) Am I saying whiteRa > tester/rainbow NO, but I am just saying we don't know for sure that Rainbow>WhiteRa and to say that WhiteRa got danced around is just absurd. Show a bit of courtesy to players. | ||
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jarlelin
Norway31 Posts
Also ITRdid scout for the proxy, but either he did not understand it or he messed up and he missed it by a few pixels on the upper corner. I repeat he actually did send his probe in a manner that should have revealed the proxy, he just made a mistake. Also white-ras force field was anything but stellar, and ITRs control of his marines was amazing. | ||
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