[H][ZVP]MMM + Widow mines and hellbats

kaluro

Netherlands760 Posts

February 21 2013 15:46 GMT

Dear Team liquid,

I have been picking up starcraft 2 very avidly lately, as broodlord/infestor and just zerg turtling in general has been less attractive, which is a great change in my opinion.

I have never really been the type to turtle up and or to use broodlords at all, haven't used them since platinum league (I'm mid masters now).

Anyway, lately I have been having issues facing MMM+widow mines and hellbats.

The issue I encounter is that I just can't engage properly with lings.
The bio just kill my seperate "leading" lings, before they can detonate the mines.
And if I were to run into him head on with ling/bling/roach/queen, the widow mines would just blast everything to shreds.

The widow mines also make any encounter and the game itself so ridiculously APM intensive that I'm really at a loss at how to properly face this.

Here's a first person replay of mine:

http://www.twitch.tv/kaluroo/c/1949626

What you'll notice is that I start floating a lot of gas and start to really break down with the constant harassment and mandatory carefulness of widow mines. It completely takes out all the fluentness of my games.

I sadly went mutalisks too but I couldn't handle the multitasking as the widow mines took away like 100 APM of my plays, leaving me with 1/3rd of what I'd usually need/have.

I'm mainly looking for ways to make the game less multitask intensive and crunchy on the brain, any help would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Kaluro
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo

Vysen

United States79 Posts

February 21 2013 15:58 GMT

Yeah it seems that both of terran's new units are really good against muta - ling - bling. Hellbats destroy lings / blings and mines shut down muta harass / ling backstabbing.

I've had some success using roach hydra against terran, adding in vipers to pull tanks or infestors vs bio.

urSa

United States77 Posts

February 21 2013 15:58 GMT

umm....are you trolling? you took a third way too late! and then it was killed because you didn't pump enough drones/boost eco early game! you also didn't hold the watch tower and never sent a small group of lings to harass the terran's main. I'm pretty sure that even if terran had made tanks you still would've lost...

EDIT: after the watching the entire replay you made even more blunders that did not involve widow mines at all. You're just using them to excuse your own shortcomings. After the initial engage, t made some mistakes and you stabilized however you then proceeded to make mutas despite his army being at your doorstep. You continually engaged with muta ling which is not a strong composition against bio...especially when you're down in eco.

MstrJinbo

United States1251 Posts

February 21 2013 15:58 GMT

Can I suggest posting the actual replay on drop.sc or something as well. It's easier to evaluate than a first person VOD.

llIH

Norway2147 Posts

February 21 2013 16:01 GMT

Why does the title have ZvP?

kaluro

Netherlands760 Posts

February 21 2013 16:28 GMT

On February 22 2013 00:58 urSa wrote:
umm....are you trolling? you took a third way too late! and then it was killed because you didn't pump enough drones/boost eco early game! you also didn't hold the watch tower and never sent a small group of lings to harass the terran's main. I'm pretty sure that even if terran had made tanks you still would've lost...

EDIT: after the watching the entire replay you made even more blunders that did not involve widow mines at all. You're just using them to excuse your own shortcomings. After the initial engage, t made some mistakes and you stabilized however you then proceeded to make mutas despite his army being at your doorstep. You continually engaged with muta ling which is not a strong composition against bio...especially when you're down in eco.

I never take quick 3rds, I don't use convenient metagaming playstyles. I developped my own playstyle over the course of my sc2 career ;-). I disagree that I took a too late 3rd. I scouted his main and scouted several barrackses and a reactor factory all running at full gear.

I was expecting a big hellbat/marauder push, which is so overused and convenient as of late so I made roaches and morphed some blings.

I also did take the watch towers, and as I said my game fell apart as I had to constantly deal with widow mines, hence the "blunders". Also do note that this is mid-masters level, probably low masters because of the HotS newness, so "blunders" are part of my playstyle. If I didn't make mistakes, i'd be #1 GM.

If the terran would've made tanks, I would've easily overrun him, as I wouldn't be as oblivious or anxious or awkward about playing against it.

I wouldve been able to flank and engage his army straight away with ling/bling, which would've been much much more convenient and much less multitask intensive.

here's the drop.sc file: http://drop.sc/306047

p.s. I by no means claim that I played a clean game, it was horrible and messy. Hence me asking for advice about how to progress against such compositions

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p.p.s. I am an early aggression zerg, I'm not a "lets camp in base and take a quick 3rd and get to 80 drones before making things happen", so please do leave the "late 3rd" comments behind. I do NOT metagame.

On February 22 2013 00:58 MstrJinbo wrote:
Can I suggest posting the actual replay on drop.sc or something as well. It's easier to evaluate than a first person VOD.

Done: http://drop.sc/306047

On February 22 2013 01:01 llIH wrote:
Why does the title have ZvP?

Whoooops,

Existor

Russian Federation4295 Posts

February 21 2013 16:33 GMT

Maybe rename this thread to... HMMMM ?

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