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Crawdad
Profile Joined September 2012
614 Posts
December 05 2012 23:51 GMT
#101
Wait...

Does the HotS version of HSM still require an upgrade?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33638 Posts
December 05 2012 23:52 GMT
#102
exactly what mix of crap do you make to harass zerg out of stargate now? oracles mana to worker kill conversion rate is better than phoenix, but phoenix is required to kill queens, but voids don't kill them as fast anymore anyway? I guess you could make a legit case for making a little bit of all three
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
December 05 2012 23:52 GMT
#103
When does the patch go live?
EG<3
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 05 2012 23:52 GMT
#104
On December 06 2012 08:51 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 08:49 Prog455 wrote:
On December 06 2012 08:45 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On December 06 2012 08:30 Monochromatic wrote:
DT rush will be really good now.

Seeker missile change is interesting.

New medivac seems really good.


DT rushes won't be that much better the build time is still quite long also everyone has decent Early detection now.

I am very surprised by this patch. I think Vortex is kind of useless now kill 1 nonmassive target. still 100 Energy? what I really believe they need to get rid of the only make 1 unit aspect of that unit and decrease it's size greatly.

I love the other changes except for the Muta change holy shit mutas were already pretty fast and now they are just scary. I guess Toss will be always opening stargate in PvZ anyway, so we will see but I don't think phoenix can out run these mutas.

Like an entirely different game now as well!


How did Terran early game detection improve?


He didn't say everyone got better detection, he said everyone has decent detection. Standard TvP builds get an early engineering bay and multiple orbital commands. If you get caught with no detection vs. a DT rush, you deserve to lose. If you're going mech you probably want an early raven for PDD vs. early stalker aggression or blink play anyway.


Also scans. Lets not forget scans. Those are pretty good.
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Ldawg
Profile Joined December 2011
United States328 Posts
December 05 2012 23:52 GMT
#105
I'm so happy at Blizzard's pro-active stance regarding units in HoTS. I love the total re-vamp and all the new options. I'm certain that some things will be imbalanced at the start, but given Blizzards patching frequency things will settle down well.
"Terran so...ice cream!" MKP/MC at HSC IV
Grapefruit
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany439 Posts
December 05 2012 23:52 GMT
#106
Bio/Mine/Raven


Starcraft 2 is funny, everybody picks the race, which he considers to be the weakest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Puritas
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany39 Posts
December 05 2012 23:52 GMT
#107
Nice you can doge Fungal now, Ultras are better now, Terran seems a lot stronger now ( AWESOME!!!), Dts are to cheap now!
All, all are gone, the old familiar faces
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
December 05 2012 23:52 GMT
#108
The raven thing is fun but its exactly the same as BC's, maybe its a weird typo.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
December 05 2012 23:52 GMT
#109
On December 06 2012 08:51 Plansix wrote:
Wait, gut check, can thors now combat colossi at range 10? Because that would be pretty awesome.


Units in SC2 always use the attack that does more damage when they have multiple options for attacks. That's why when you instruct a thor to auto attack and there are mutas being micro'd around, they often spin in circles doing nothing: because when the mutas clump their anti-air is better, but when they aren't their anti-ground is better. Thors will always use their anti-ground vs. colossus because it does so much more damage.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
December 05 2012 23:53 GMT
#110
holy fuck ! im so scared of ultras , they do have 2x melee swing right ? means 70 frontal damage . zealots will just melt
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
December 05 2012 23:53 GMT
#111
Wow can't believe they made such massive changes... I like it!

Lol at all the zerg's preemptive whining...relax, I dont think zergs were hard done by in this patch. Medivacs do some pretty sick now, but the numbers can easily be tuned.

Seems like Terran finally got some late game changes which is nice.

Love the infestor and DT changes!

And haha vortex...
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
December 05 2012 23:53 GMT
#112
What the fuck does Vortex do now?
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 05 2012 23:54 GMT
#113
On December 06 2012 08:51 Crawdad wrote:
Wait...

Does the HotS version of HSM still require an upgrade?


Nope, its a range 10 air mine of death and awesome. It out ranges feedback and comes from the sky. Get your early ravens now, invest in the future.
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Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
December 05 2012 23:54 GMT
#114
On December 06 2012 08:53 ZeroCartin wrote:
What the fuck does Vortex do now?

Nothing. Extremely situational.
Maruprime.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
December 05 2012 23:54 GMT
#115
I like pretty much all the changes.

Vortex seems dumb. Nobody's going to build a 400/400 unit to spend 100 energy and kill a single infestor. Even if you vortexed two infestors, you wouldn't have spent the money that it was worth getting a mothership for.

If Vortex was ~50 energy, or even 25 with a cooldown, that would be really interesting.
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Shade_FR
Profile Joined June 2010
France378 Posts
December 05 2012 23:54 GMT
#116
On December 06 2012 08:53 ZeroCartin wrote:
What the fuck does Vortex do now?

Blizzard is trolling Protoss players with this change I guess.
EU Zerg player - Streaming @ http://twitch.tv/shade_cst
Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
December 05 2012 23:55 GMT
#117
Only problem is that now seeker missile is literally the exact same thing as Yamato cannon. What's the point?
"You must enemy don't know, and very good micro" - Bosstoss #Wet4Ret
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
December 05 2012 23:55 GMT
#118
grubby on stream now comentates on those changes..
ch4ppi
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany802 Posts
December 05 2012 23:55 GMT
#119
remember the last marine of a drop between 2 minerals staying up pretty long, while 2-3 Zerglings attack it... well you might get familiar with him even more, since he is never going to die now... Pretty sure the medivac heal buff is way too much

Zerg:

Zerg got kicked in Infestor-Nuts: 4 direct nerfs at a time... this is madness. I love the fungal-projectile and the fewer HP on Eggs, but getting no upgrades is pretty nuts. I think infestor might got overnerfd

Ultralisk change made me happy for the good dmg output against everything (stupid marines blocking mighty claws... nomnom) but at the same time the burrow charge did help with their clumsyness and they could actually connect. We will see.

Toss:

I like the overall changes, especially the oracle once.
But Mothership?? why would you ever get one? The ability is plein stupid, its not usefull, its not interesting, just stupid. At least make it a viable fighting unit.

Terran:

Medivac upgrade is stupid, the booster might be "okay"

wtf... Widowmine burrow upgrade??? With this upgrade you will be able to perform pretty ridicoulos stuff.... I doubt that will stay like that.


Overall really a brave patch, which is sth I like. Obviuously with some concerns but some good ideas.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 05 2012 23:55 GMT
#120
On December 06 2012 08:54 Alryk wrote:
I like pretty much all the changes.

Vortex seems dumb. Nobody's going to build a 400/400 unit to spend 100 energy and kill a single infestor. Even if you vortexed two infestors, you wouldn't have spent the money that it was worth getting a mothership for.

If Vortex was ~50 energy, or even 25 with a cooldown, that would be really interesting.


Thats the point. The mother ship core is better in every way, which is how it should be. It is the protoss queen.
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