The next major balance patch - David Kim - Page 22

On December 04 2012 03:12 spbelky wrote:
O Dayvie, such good intentions. But does he have the tools and knowledge to pull it off?

On December 05 2012 04:35 The_Darkness wrote:


Sorry, it was the other guy I was quoting not you. Apologies. Back to your post then: Who cares what your expierences are? Why even mention them since your experiences are irrelevant to balance discussions? Also, when you say "more even", for whom are you saying it should be more even? At the pro level it seems like both sides have pretty good options and the game is back and forth if zerg goes mutas, with Protoss being favored because mutas it turns out aren't that good. If you're really good at defending and with blink stalkers and army positioning you should win if you're protoss once you're maxed. If you use mutas to transition into blord infestor efficiently and can inflict at least some damage because the Protoss was caught off guard you have a chance to win as zerg. It doesn't seem like anything is broken here. You keep saying that phoenix hard counter mutas but that doesn't mean you can't go mutas if they build phoenixes since you can still build infestors to stop the phoenixes, something Stephano, e.g., is good at doing. It's not easy to do, but why should it be?

So I'm confused by your point since mutas are most certainly not an auto win for zerg. Also just because a build is strong in certain instances doesn't mean it's a problem. DT builds are very strong when your opponent does not have detection. No one is fretting about DT usage. Protoss have more than one option to counter mutas and Zerg can fight back with mutas (if for some ungodly reason a zerg wants to go mutas in zvp) so long as some infestors join the fight. (Corruptors are an option too but Zerg almost always lose when I see them go corruptors to fight the phoenix.) So I don't see where the problem lies except that you stopped watching pro games 6 to 9 months ago when mutas were still a thing in zvp and you think it may be a problem in HoTS.

I hate to pick on you but a preposterous amount of discussion in these forums is substantially off base and helps nothing. If there is one thing no one needs to worry about now it's mutas in zvp. Also I would guess that protoss would take a slight resurgence in muta usage over more blord infestor deathball play.

On December 05 2012 03:51 Falling wrote:
Not a big fan of combining mech and air upgrades. One of the uniquenesses of mech play is that you committed to it and it was actually a significant investment to go mass air. The transition to air has already been eased by the medic -->> medivac switch combined with Reactors. Combining mech and air upgrades? meh.

On December 05 2012 07:51 Blargh wrote:
DTs late game isn't even that bad in this current state, it's not used enough though. But if they were to just simply buff DT in ANY way without nerfing it in another, then the unit would just make for even more bad games. They should be able to blink around (like stalker), but only have 5-10 seconds of cloak on a CD, that way, you can still do tons of damage, but it isn't an auto-win assuming they had JUST used mules and don't have a turret up. It isn't a terran's fault for not being able to scout what the protoss is doing. If a scan misses the twilight/DT shrine, it is practically wasted, which is a big deal since mules are what keep terran economy up with P and Z. Not to mention that DTs already REQUIRE the a scan (1 less mule) just to be seen =/

On December 05 2012 07:51 Blargh wrote:
DTs late game isn't even that bad in this current state, it's not used enough though. But if they were to just simply buff DT in ANY way without nerfing it in another, then the unit would just make for even more bad games. They should be able to blink around (like stalker), but only have 5-10 seconds of cloak on a CD, that way, you can still do tons of damage, but it isn't an auto-win assuming they had JUST used mules and don't have a turret up. It isn't a terran's fault for not being able to scout what the protoss is doing. If a scan misses the twilight/DT shrine, it is practically wasted, which is a big deal since mules are what keep terran economy up with P and Z. Not to mention that DTs already REQUIRE the a scan (1 less mule) just to be seen =/

On December 05 2012 09:01 weikor wrote:


however, at high levels of play, seeing the dark shrine isnt the only way of suspecting DTs. If you know your opponent is missing some sentries or tech, making a turret for 100/0 isn't the biggest investment. Or save a scan. Added to that you also get the advantage of beeing able to spot DTs without detection.

I agree however that DTs cant be made much stronger in the lategame, they are fairly strong already. Adding blink would be complete overkill and even with a 5 sec Cd cloak cooldown, Dts would be completely imbalanced

On December 05 2012 11:22 Ettick wrote:
Buffing bio and mech = buffing terran
Hell, it's about damn time