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[G] Sandworms and Sandtrout ZvX Build: SH & Nydus - Page 2
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DuncanIdaho
United States465 Posts
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Ethoex
United States164 Posts
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BigRedDog
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I tried this strat a few times and if the opponent is caught unaware, it works very well. My problem is if they spotted your nydus worm and/or have enough units/buildings around the base to spot the worm from popping out. How would you transit? Do you turtle up? Use the swarm hosts and army to d while taking a third (or a fourth)? Engage direct? Attack from 2-3 fronts? | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On November 07 2012 15:10 BigRedDog wrote: I have a quick question. I tried this strat a few times and if the opponent is caught unaware, it works very well. My problem is if they spotted your nydus worm and/or have enough units/buildings around the base to spot the worm from popping out. How would you transit? Do you turtle up? Use the swarm hosts and army to d while taking a third (or a fourth)? Engage direct? Attack from 2-3 fronts? Just while 1st nydus started spawning, spot location for another nydus. Enemy will not be able to shutdown 2 nyduses for same time. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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TheLunatic
309 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:56 Existor wrote: Just while 1st nydus started spawning, spot location for another nydus. Enemy will not be able to shutdown 2 nyduses for same time. Enemy not being able to kill two nydus, thats a joke .... Maybe in wood league....maybe | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Enemy not being able to kill two nydus, thats a joke .... Maybe in wood league....maybe Then why not use Nydus-Reinforcer? That will be placed somewhere behind enemy wall. First you're trying to damage enym wall, at same time starting create nydus at main in the corner. Or vice-versa. Those lines are locust rally points ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IaJsu.png) | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
You just open your normal 3 base vs FFE with double gas at 6, then quickly add 2 more. Get +1 ranged attack and a couple extra queens. Then at lair go for swarmhosts and roach speed and a nydus. Just go for 1 nydus a fair bit out of their base and place the swarm hosts there. The queens function as AA and put down a few tumors since creep effectively increases the range of your swarm hosts. Ideally you have a couple queens, 5-6 swarm hosts and the rest roach and you just start to whittle their base from there. The nydus doesn't need to be too close at all because swarm hosts with the upgrade and creep spread have huge range. swarm host and roach is just quite a strong combination, the biggest weaknesses being air and large amounts of colossi. By hitting early and using queens for AA it's hard to stop, queens compliment swarm hosts so well by being able to spread creep and transfuse the hosts if they bumrush you, the problem of course is getting your queens over there and having some starting creep. For small maps just walking your queens over and using an overlord works quite well, for the bigger maps the nydus is great, there is just hardly any risk of the nydus getting killed because it doesn't even have to be close to them . The worst threat for nydus play now are oracles really | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:38 Markwerf wrote: queen/sh/roach with nydus is really good against protoss. You just open your normal 3 base vs FFE with double gas at 6, then quickly add 2 more. Get +1 ranged attack and a couple extra queens. Then at lair go for swarmhosts and roach speed and a nydus. Just go for 1 nydus a fair bit out of their base and place the swarm hosts there. The queens function as AA and put down a few tumors since creep effectively increases the range of your swarm hosts. Ideally you have a couple queens, 5-6 swarm hosts and the rest roach and you just start to whittle their base from there. The nydus doesn't need to be too close at all because swarm hosts with the upgrade and creep spread have huge range. swarm host and roach is just quite a strong combination, the biggest weaknesses being air and large amounts of colossi. By hitting early and using queens for AA it's hard to stop, queens compliment swarm hosts so well by being able to spread creep and transfuse the hosts if they bumrush you, the problem of course is getting your queens over there and having some starting creep. For small maps just walking your queens over and using an overlord works quite well, for the bigger maps the nydus is great, there is just hardly any risk of the nydus getting killed because it doesn't even have to be close to them . The worst threat for nydus play now are oracles really What time do you attack? Could I see replays? I do something like this, but on 2 bases. It attacks around 9:30 or so, with no roaches but lings and spines (5 SH, 4 queens, 3 spines and a bunch of lings). I wonder if yours is better. | ||
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
On November 05 2012 15:25 Qwyn wrote: + Show Spoiler + It's just a matter of differing opinions. To suggest that there are no moral absolutes and only shades of gray is to effectively deny the concept of human morality and good v. evil as a valid interpretation of existance. To sass back, it's a view that has been adopted by a lot of liberal minded circles throughout the 20th century. It's common today to see this view held by the past few generations, especially with a high correlation among the scientific, atheists and the "logical." I'm not denying that words and ideas bear connotations given by race, region, or religious practice and that these may not necessarily be true or adhered to only by those who are born with them or have been "converted." I am of a different opinion regarding the Zerg than you, it seems. You see, I accept the human definition of morality to include not only action but intent, and understand that I see the world from a very human viewpoint and that what I come to understand as good and evil is absolute in the terms of my existance. So looking at it from that lense, the idea that the Zerg were created by a race with the express orders of destroying every other species in the galaxy for genetic perfection is evil...why? Because the Zerg threaten the existance of not only humanity, but every other race in the galaxy and they do so at the personal desires of one being, who controls the Zerg through the Overmind...and later Kerrigan, who is evidenced to be evil (in the same way as the Overmind). Now if the Overmind were not expressed in the game as an obviously intelligent, sentient being, who bears malicious intent towards all life, and were merely a prisoner carrying out forced orders, then it would be different. It comes down to intent, not just action, especially when viewed through this "human" lense of mine. When I said nihilist I was observing your moral viewpoint. To claim that the human moral viewpoint is abstractly contrived, that it does not exist, that what we claim to be good or evil is merely a wide variety of differing intents perpetuated by varying species, kinds, factions, groups, peoples...That there is no right or wrong, even in retrospect, is something I can't agree with. Anyhow, as for the strategy itself, it looks really sick, even though I can't try it because I don't have the beta. But I have been experimenting with a lot of nydus play, especially with the hydralisk (using the nydus as a way to remove travel time and deny the third - hooray for TLO and his wonderful innovation). It's something that is definitely very niche, until the nydus is changed to be more multipurpose. As it stands now there's no real reason to use the nydus because most units can get place to place on current map sizes simply by moving there... Lol what a can of worms you opened  Now I wouldnt pretend to be a lore buff, but didnt ghost tassadar tell us that the reason the overmind created kerrigan was to free the zerg race from the zerg's programmed directive to mindlessley assimilate all life? And wasnt this against the backdrop of the Overmind working against the dark forces which conspired to eliminate the existence of the universe itself, with the Zerg race being the only thing standing between the universe and oblivion? Frankly if we can somehow accept that killing civilian children using drones to kill militants or by targetting rocket launching sites is acceptable collateral, is it really fair to fault the Overmind for considering us collateral to defend the universe itself? If you disagree, does that mean you consider the existence of your race more important than the existence of the universe (collateral only acceptable when your tribe not on the receiving end)? Sounds pretty selfish to me... Frankly i think good/evil are terms used by hypocrites who want to make themselves feel better about themselves. Unless you were brought up in the exact same circumstance as another person, you cant know you wouldnt act the same way in their position. Its funny that relative morality is a term tagged to atheists, since Jesus commands us not to judge others simce God is the only one fit to do so. Why are you all so insistent on thinking of yourselves as moral arbiters? If morals were absolute, then humans should be capable of casting judgement. But since we are commanded not to, clearly God considers things we cant. Worry about your own salvation please. (by the way this doesnt mean that dangerous people shouldnt be detained. Buy the goal should be rehabilitation and public protection, not vengence and judgement. You can lock somebody up with pity and without hate. (PS im an atheist who likes christian principles and wished people who call themselves Christian actually followed them...) But yeah, nice build | ||
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