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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
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Harbinger631
United States376 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:08 ishyishy wrote: No it wont. XP isnt worth anything useful, so people dont have a reason to care. Who values a meaningless XP bar over actually winning a game? Thats all people want to do is win games. The root of the problem with a lot of people getting discouraged from playing is that they cant accept the fact that they wont win every game, and they only have themself to blame for every loss. Sc2 needs this and that, and only blizzard can change the shit everyone is asking for..but if people really want something to change for the better of the game and the community, they can start by changing their attitudes. Dont play a competitive game if you dont like competition, if you dont like losing, and if you dont like someone being better than you. Have you ever played Call of Duty? That game model and its massive popularity flies in the face of "all people want to do is win games" | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1114 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:08 ishyishy wrote: No it wont. XP isnt worth anything useful, so people dont have a reason to care. Who values a meaningless XP bar over actually winning a game? Thats all people want to do is win games. The root of the problem with a lot of people getting discouraged from playing is that they cant accept the fact that they wont win every game, and they only have themself to blame for every loss. Sc2 needs this and that, and only blizzard can change the shit everyone is asking for..but if people really want something to change for the better of the game and the community, they can start by changing their attitudes. Dont play a competitive game if you dont like competition, if you dont like losing, and if you dont like someone being better than you. If this is tied to team games and custom games, does it matter that it adds nothing ??? It's like CoD... you don't have to win games to feel like your progressing... you play some dumb unranked custom team games and come out of it with some new portrait, achivment or decal and that shit will make you fucking happy if thats your deal. Not everyone has to win every single game and bearly anyone who will really enjoy this will play 1v1's... so aslong as its implemented across the board and blizz keep the stuff u can unlock cool (like colour skins/profile skins or some shit) it will keep people feeling like they are achiving something without actually being good or getting better at the core game | ||
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Urasim
United States83 Posts
On October 26 2012 02:20 Aeromi wrote: I think it's a bad idea but maybe casual players will be happy. Why is it a bad idea? It's not an original idea, but it isn't bad at all. I seriously want to hear the down sides to this system. It doesn't give you rewards beyond cosmetic things, and you aren't being forced to grind out levels or anything like that. It's something that is there to have fun... Don't like it? Just ignore it then... | ||
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Harbinger631
United States376 Posts
Of course, this also opens the door to xp farming, which ruins the game occasionally, but you could just throw in a massive win bonus to discourage that...and give 0 points if the game is less than 4-5 min. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:11 ishyishy wrote: Look at the games people care about right now. Now look at the ones where you can level up. Do they all offer something that effects the game? Please let me know if one of them doesnt. Leveling doesnt belong in a game where it wont give the player any benefits. dota 2 is purely cosmetic items from leveling. it has zero inpact on the game it self | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:17 Arnstein wrote: It's really sad that SC2 has become such a bad game that they have to implement this. I mean, I don't care if CoD has leveling systems to get people to play a shitty product, but when SC2 implements it, it is sad, since SC2 should be a good game I doubt that even if SC2 is a best RTS ever made in history of mankind, it won't become as popular as CoD, LoL, DotA. Being a greatest game does not mean it is the most popular games because great game play is only one of the many components that make games popular. | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:20 Veldril wrote: I doubt that even if SC2 is a best RTS ever made in history of mankind, it won't become as popular as CoD, LoL, DotA. Being a greatest game does not mean it is the most popular games because great game play is only one of the many components that make games popular. SC1 is the best RTS ever made, obviously. A distant second place isn't too shabby though. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:17 Arnstein wrote: It's really sad that SC2 has become such a bad game that they have to implement this. I mean, I don't care if CoD has leveling systems to get people to play a shitty product, but when SC2 implements it, it is sad, since SC2 should be a good game Cool your fanboyism. CoD might not be your thing, but it's one of the most successful franchises ever. Far from a shitty product. | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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stichtom
Italy695 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:12 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Exactly. A loss isn't as crushing since you're still that much closer to getting your next level. I feel it'll help more people hit that queue button. Nice work Blizz. Yeah the concept of rewarding losses is fine. The older generations of gamers think its pathetic, but their opinions no longer matter anyway lol. People want to feel like they never ever lose. Thats fine... however... Sc2 xp doesnt give you anything worth a damn! lol I can lose 50 games in a row on LoL, but if i level up at least i get a mastery point that directly affects my character. Its the smallest thing in the world, like increase damage dealt by 1%, but it isnt completely meaningless. Some guy said let sc2 xp level paragon xp in d3 lol. As ridiculous as this sounds, id take it!! Leveling that shit takes a long tiem and its just a pure grind, so it will get boring after a while until i feel like playing it again. However, if i can play sc2, a different game, and level paragon at the same time, ill never get bored! Who gives a shit, they are both blizzard games, as long as you are on one of them they dont care lol. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:08 ishyishy wrote: No it wont. XP isnt worth anything useful, so people dont have a reason to care. Who values a meaningless XP bar over actually winning a game? oh i dont know. maybe people that dont actually give a fuck if they win or lose and just want to enjoy the game casually? you do know that there are a ton of people that love to collect and farm portraits right? if u really want to think about it tho, the ppl that love winning also care about that shiny blue or gold star next to there name and race. they care purely about points and a shiny emblem which is also worth nothing at all. | ||
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IndyO
392 Posts
Beyond that the rewards aren't all that interesting either. I've seen the Warhammer 40K esque paints idea thrown around as purchasable or unlockable, and I think that has a lot of potential. Decals aren't very important at all I feel, and portraits eventually don't matter once you have gotten the one you wanted. Maybe other people find them more enticing as rewards :\. Still nice to see them adding the feature to the game. I get worried sometimes though, people always say the SC2 team is small, and I wonder what features are getting pushed back for something like this. But if this keeps people intersted then I suppose it's worth it. I imagine I'll just play through it without paying much attention til I max out on my main race. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:17 Arnstein wrote: It's really sad that SC2 has become such a bad game that they have to implement this. I mean, I don't care if CoD has leveling systems to get people to play a shitty product, but when SC2 implements it, it is sad, since SC2 should be a good game Lol all these new threads have been a haven for the SC2 haters/BW elitists. They just love to tell us how much they hate the game. | ||
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
"oh , I wish SC2 was more like dota , so it would appeal to casuals and we would have crazy viewership numbers , the monetization of starcraft could be blah blah blah blah" *Blizz puts lvls and portrait rewards* "Them idiots , they fucked what could be a great game , why they dont care about the more important stuff before portraits and rewards..." ... yeah , bet they will take the community seriously. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:25 ishyishy wrote: Yeah the concept of rewarding losses is fine. The older generations of gamers think its pathetic, but their opinions no longer matter anyway lol. People want to feel like they never ever lose. Thats fine... however... Sc2 xp doesnt give you anything worth a damn! lol I can lose 50 games in a row on LoL, but if i level up at least i get a mastery point that directly affects my character. Its the smallest thing in the world, like increase damage dealt by 1%, but it isnt completely meaningless. Some guy said let sc2 xp level paragon xp in d3 lol. As ridiculous as this sounds, id take it!! Leveling that shit takes a long tiem and its just a pure grind, so it will get boring after a while until i feel like playing it again. However, if i can play sc2, a different game, and level paragon at the same time, ill never get bored! Who gives a shit, they are both blizzard games, as long as you are on one of them they dont care lol. How old are you? I'm 27, and you certainly don't speak for me. In fact, these 'older gamers' you speak of probably have very little time to be competitive at a game like this (you know work and stuff). They are less likely to play a game that is purely competitive and not fun, because gaming is supposed to be recreation. Having limited time to play, kinda makes you discerning in your choices. What I remember about gaming growing up, was that it was competitive and fun. The latter is something Starcraft has been lacking of late. If this brings even a little fun back, then that's a good thing. | ||
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MrBrunk
Canada428 Posts
I feel like this would be better where you actually earn something and can spend it on things that you want whereas leveling and earning xp and portraits here and there is not all that interesting. Thing is there just doesn't seem to be enough ideas of purchasable perks that would not affect the game itself. Only so much you can do with cosmetic changes whereas in games like LoL you can use your points to buy from a huge selection of champions. | ||
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Cirn9
1117 Posts
If only Blizzard had the technology for something like http://classic.battle.net/war3/ladder/w3xp-player-reports-overall.aspx?Gateway=Lordaeron&PlayerName=deadlues | ||
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