This is apparently a previsualization concept work done by an outside animation studio for Blizzard months ago. One of the employees apparently chose to take this home and leak it. It's clearly not a finished product, just some concept work, and they may have since changed their plans for the story. Seems plausible and this guy has some previsualization work for Iron Man 2 on his account that looks legit. Only time will tell if their plans have changed.
Kerrigan Dies (SC2 WoL cutscene previs with original superior voice actress): http://vimeo.com/14564550 - ActiBlizzard nuked
Kerrigan Dies is almost identical to what ended up in Wings of Liberty, except for the change of voice actress, so Kerrigan Arrives might be pretty close to what we end up getting for Heart of the Swarm.
The company that made this video is apparently listed in the credits of Wings of Liberty.
I am not surprised the game ends like that. The Zerg are actually a bunch of enslaved creatures under the control of a human? I guess that one college interview of the Zerg was spot on.
lol looks kinda good for a concept but the time i heard the soundtrack which sounded like the transformers' in the first video i just had to laugh... legit or not....i don't know, but looks kinda cool anyway...
Ya I didn't like the story in WoL and HotS, if this is real, doesn't seem to be an improvement. Unfortunately, that's why I think it is real, a fan would do a better job.
Also, the voice actor for Raynor and Mengsk placeholder voices sound really familiar, pretty sure they're Warcraft voices, and the Kerrigan voice is the original Broodwar voice. Music can be placeholder, especially considering the early state of the animation.
if this video is real which i feel like it is then i'll simply give up on starcraft 2... i dont know what the hell Blizzard are thinking or what is wrong with them. this is eye gouging horrible and i dont mean the fact that it's a previz. i cannot believe how horrible the story is becoming.
time to block it out and consider anything that happened in sc2 "non-canon"
maaaaaan this was just to cheesy -_-, the zerg are now free. Like they didn't work under hiveminds before, like they cared before... And why is she getting infested yet again would be so much cooler with humanclothes and zerghair imo.
I'm more inclined to think this was a possibility for the WoL storyline and in the end, was scrapped. I could also be completely wrong and it really is the ending for HoTS.
On December 09 2010 09:17 Fargoth wrote: I'm more inclined to think this was a possibility for the WoL storyline and in the end, was scrapped. I could also be completely wrong and it really is the ending for HoTS.
Doubtful. WoL was Raynor's campaign, it wouldn't make sense for the final showdown to be Kerrigan vs Mengsk.
On December 09 2010 09:17 Fargoth wrote: I'm more inclined to think this was a possibility for the WoL storyline and in the end, was scrapped. I could also be completely wrong and it really is the ending for HoTS.
Doubtful. WoL was Raynor's campaign, it wouldn't make sense for the final showdown to be Kerrigan vs Mengsk.
we can atleast hope Blizzard USED to be great at creating storylines
i feel like this got scrapped the company would get in so much shit from blizzard if they leaked something like this to the public if it was going to get used in a future game either way, the guy who leaked this is definitely going to get fired
I hope that isn't what's actually happening, that ending is incredibly LAME and sappy... really Blizzard I hope you won't roll with this happy lovy-dovy everyone lives happily ever after crap. I can find that in <insert random blockbuster of the year here>
That's been up there for 3 months which makes me suspicious that Blizzard wouldn't have taken action already to remove it, but seeing how he has lots of other previs footage from other works it would seem pretty legit, which makes me sad.
After finishing the campaign and now seeing this, I can't help but feel like this is all just adding up to be a ploy to transition into a MMO release where people can empathize with Zerg as possibly playable race who have broken from their shackles, just like the undead in the Warcraft series.
I wouldn't be surprised if "Titan" set for release 3 quarters after the last SC2 Expansion, was indeed that property. I also wouldn't be surprised if was less RPG and more FPS action - that's the one market they haven't tapped yet that wouldn't cannibalize on their existing properties.
On December 09 2010 09:44 Aeon_ wrote: That's been up there for 3 months which makes me suspicious that Blizzard wouldn't have taken action already to remove it, but seeing how he has lots of other previs footage from other works it would seem pretty legit, which makes me sad.
After finishing the campaign and now seeing this, I can't help but feel like this is all just adding up to be a ploy to transition into a MMO release where people can empathize with Zerg as possibly playable race who have broken from their shackles, just like the undead in the Warcraft series.
I wouldn't be surprised if "Titan" set for release 3 quarters after the last SC2 Expansion, was indeed that property. I also wouldn't be surprised if was less RPG and more FPS action - that's the one market they haven't tapped yet that wouldn't cannibalize on their existing properties.
Titan is supposed to be a completely new IP. which is something Blizzard hasn't done in a very very very long time.
a Starcraft MMO would set the internet on fire with rage. i can't see Blizzard doing that. But then again i didn't see Blizzard butching a storyline so badly either.
Nobody thought World of Warcraft would be accepted, but here it is, and Warcraft RTS is no more. I think it's inevitable that Starcraft will get an MMO. Perhaps it's not Titan, but the next MMO.
it's unbelievable how poor blizzard has become at cutscens and story telling. that diablo III demon hunter trailer was some of the worst in the business.
On December 09 2010 09:55 Zakka wrote: SPOILERS IN POSTS! PEOPLE NOBODY IS USING SPOILER TAGS
the thread is stated as SPOILER from the beginning. if every god damn post in this thread used spoiler tags i think i'd want to kill myself by the end of the thread.
On December 09 2010 09:55 Zakka wrote: SPOILERS IN POSTS! PEOPLE NOBODY IS USING SPOILER TAGS
the thread is stated as SPOILER from the beginning. if every god damn post in this thread used spoiler tags i think i'd want to kill myself by the end of the thread.
Agreed but its just an extra warning because there will always be people that stupid.
On December 09 2010 09:55 Zakka wrote: SPOILERS IN POSTS! PEOPLE NOBODY IS USING SPOILER TAGS
the thread is stated as SPOILER from the beginning. if every god damn post in this thread used spoiler tags i think i'd want to kill myself by the end of the thread.
Agreed but its just an extra warning because there will always be people that stupid.
On December 09 2010 09:49 Zzoram wrote: Nobody thought World of Warcraft would be accepted, but here it is, and Warcraft RTS is no more. I think it's inevitable that Starcraft will get an MMO. Perhaps it's not Titan, but the next MMO.
You're probably right. It would be strange to launch two SC titles in one year, but if pushed back a few more months it would fit relatively close to the distances between the launches of War3 to WoW.
Something tells me Warcraft RTS fans will end up waiting longer than Starcraft fans for a sequel, which is depressing.
If these videos were made around the same time it means they were making the cut scene for HoTS a long ass time ago. So much could have changed since then. I would not be surprised if we got a completely different ending. I also wouldn't be too surprised if it stayed exactly the same. You know what would surprise me though? Clowns. Fuck clowns.
WoL's campaign was terrible enough for me to not be surprised by this. Even with all the special effects and high-res textures added in, the writing still sucks.
edit: LOL i think the vid was meant to be posted in private
edit2: yep was a mistake, we all just got an accidental leak lol
On December 09 2010 10:05 Gahlo wrote: Fake. Kerrigan being reinfested makes the entire point of the WoL campaign moot.
Well WoL campaign made the entire Vanilla/BW campaign moot already. Vanilla/BW was pretty much telling us that Zerg is this evil monstrous race that wants to take over the universe. WoL we were told that the overmind was actually pretty cool
"The zerg are free to do whut ev they feel like doing, whether it be hugging children and cuddling with teddy bears or blowing shit up, lollolol!1eleven1!" -Kerrigan saying it as if its a good thing
The part where she says Mengsk turned them all into monsters [including Jim] was kinda cool, but I don't like that she somehow is infested again. That zerg are now free is lame, and ffs leave Kerrigan out of it. Either way, someone at Blizzard is getting F'd in the A for leaking this. //edit: look at the date. April 2009. This is probably a bad concept, no need to go insane over this. Let's wait for the actual thing to come.
On December 09 2010 10:29 lordmordor wrote: gotta hand it to activision-blizzard...they work fast when they want to. the youtube vid was up for less than 3 minutes
That is speedy.... still cant believe someone doesnt have a copy of this.
On December 09 2010 10:38 Kalingingsong wrote: the only thing that will rescue sc2 from the "worst storyline of the year award", is if they make history by putting a HD sex scene in.
Can people summarize the video? (all youtube has been taken down and the OPs links are private). Or link it a working version? I want to see this spoiler and if Blizzard really lost its Storytelling abilities.
EDIT: Just saw through the megaupload link. WOW. I thought the WoL campaign's story sucked... That was so stupid and corny it hurt. Also it doesn't even make sense! + Show Spoiler +
If Mengsk had this psicontroller installed since before kerrigan became the QoB, why didn't he use it to prevent Dukes death? Just like the random XelNaga artifact that the terrans pull out of their ass in WoL, the story team has added another random plot element.
"the zerg are free, slaves to no one. Not even me. So whether they be the bringers of life, or the destroys of worlds, i'll help them find the answere's"
every single time the zerg have previously been without a directive force (be it the Overmind + cerebrates or Kerrigan) they have rampaged out of control, even attacking fellow zerg. They are a hive minded race, whoever is in the drivers seat determines what they do, good or bad. They were designed from the begining to assimilate other life forms....making them sympathetic slaves who are pretty much neutral just disgusts me
What a bullshit ending, I was really hoping that kerrigan would take advantage of raynors help in regaining her powers "to fight the hybrids" but backstab everyone in the end. I guess that was too much to ask. Bliz listens to the community when it comes to balance, is there any way poor reception to this ending could change it?
Haha the whole thing is kind of amusing... video game writing is always pretty bad . I feel like the best storylines in gaming are the ones that don't try to explain things too much, and just let your mind fill in the gaps while giving you interesting images.
On December 09 2010 10:45 yoplate wrote: Can people summarize the video? (all youtube has been taken down and the OPs links are private). Or link it a working version? I want to see this spoiler and if Blizzard really lost its Storytelling abilities.
hey, go watch the diablo III hunter reveal trailer and that's basically what you're missing out on.
On December 09 2010 10:45 yoplate wrote: Can people summarize the video? (all youtube has been taken down and the OPs links are private). Or link it a working version? I want to see this spoiler and if Blizzard really lost its Storytelling abilities.
It's kind of mean to be complaining so much though I'm imagining the poor blizzard employees who put their hearts and souls into this reading the thread :X
On December 09 2010 10:54 holdthephone wrote: i really doubt they care what people think at this point.
I think everyone who is reading this thread is going to buy the game regardless. I love SC and the universes blizzard creates. I just feel they can to better on the story telling aspect.
On December 09 2010 10:53 Muirhead wrote: It's kind of mean to be complaining so much though I'm imagining the poor blizzard employees who put their hearts and souls into this reading the thread :X
Many authors pour their hearts and souls into their books, doesn't mean they're any good ... Blizzard is no exception.
Viking in ground mode shooting at something....infested Kerrigan flies in and splits it in half
several other vikings and marines open fire, only for her to telekinetically launch them into the air, where they explode
Someone is in his office and opens a case with a single cigar
Kerrigan claws her way into the office and finds Mengsk smoking, who says he has been waiting. Kerrigan says she is surprised he didn't try to escape.
Mengsk says she has misunderstood things and takes out a remote, which activates some sort of implant in her brain which sends her into writhing agony. A flashback of Kerrigan naked in a tank where the implant is put into place.
Mengsk asks if she really thought he would let an animal like her close to him without some form of protection.
He then moves to finish her, but Rayor shows up in full marine armor and throws Mengsk across the room, breaking the remote. Mentions he thought Kerrigan could use some backup
She pins Mengsk to the wall, claiming he turned everyone into monsters Mengsk tells her to just get her vengence over with and then choke on the ashes Kerrigan says it is not vengence, but justice...screen whites out
Kerrigan is overlooking the city as Rayor arrives and asks what next Kerrigan says she will leave humanity to its fate. The zerg are free now, even from her. So whether they bring life, or destroy worlds she will help them find the answers. out there among the stars
As she says this a massive flock of mutalisks is flying into the sky towards some kind of glowing thing in the sky (not sure if its a portal or just clouds made red by the setting sun)
Oh boy. Couldn't agree with Jibba more here. I really cannot see any other mindset in this kind of writing other than, "Let's take a character, well established for her conniving treacherous ways, and force a story arc that makes her a maternal princess that needs help from a male hero." Do they ever consider hiring anyone capable of writing anything with depth and relatively cliche free? I edit papers for an entry level creative fiction writing course. I've had freshman come up with more original stuff than this, and the majority of stories they produce are awful.
Now that it's leaked they'll change it to something else. I consider a strong candidate plot to be Fenix killing Mengsk with Spacemourne.
and it is also revealed that Mengsk is actually Fenix's father.
And then Mengsk PRETENDS to be dead, and when Fenix turns around, Mengsk jumps back up, slices Fenix's hand off, and offers for Fenix to help him rule the galaxy as father and son. Then Fenix declines and falls from Cloud City.
On December 09 2010 10:58 lordmordor wrote: video summary: spoilers
Viking in ground mode shooting at something....infested Kerrigan flies in and splits it in half
several other vikings and marines open fire, only for her to telekinetically launch them into the air, where they explode
Someone is in his office and opens a case with a single cigar
Kerrigan claws her way into the office and finds Mengsk smoking, who says he has been waiting. Kerrigan says she is surprised he didn't try to escape.
Mengsk says she has misunderstood things and takes out a remote, which activates some sort of implant in her brain which sends her into writhing agony. A flashback of Kerrigan naked in a tank where the implant is put into place.
Mengsk asks if she really thought he would let an animal like her close to him without some form of protection.
He then moves to finish her, but Rayor shows up in full marine armor and throws Mengsk across the room, breaking the remote. Mentions he thought Kerrigan could use some backup
She pins Mengsk to the wall, claiming he turned everyone into monsters Mengsk tells her to just get her vengence over with and then choke on the ashes Kerrigan says it is not vengence, but justice...screen whites out
Kerrigan is overlooking the city as Rayor arrives and asks what next Kerrigan says she will leave humanity to its fate. The zerg are free now, even from her. So whether they bring life, or destroy worlds she will help them find the answers. out there among the stars
As she says this a massive flock of mutalisks is flying into the sky towards some kind of glowing thing in the sky (not sure if its a portal or just clouds made red by the setting sun)
I admit this is what video is about. Lordmordor didn't miss anything.
I followed a chain of like 4 links to get here, seriously.
I'm going to sum up my thoughts on this by quoting a bnet poster:
Oh dear god this is like watching the leaked version of Wolverine: Origins all over again.
I didn't think it would be possible to outdo the high-grade fertilizer that was WoL, but as we have just been shown, you just can't underestimate Blizzard.
As a side note, I am now more pessimistic about D3 than I have ever been.
Oh dear god this is like watching the leaked version of Wolverine: Origins all over again.
I didn't think it would be possible to outdo the high-grade fertilizer that was WoL, but as we have just been shown, you just can't underestimate Blizzard.
As a side note, I am now more pessimistic about D3 than I have ever been.
Bleh just feels like Blizzard has had a drop in quality since WoW's TBC. I'm skeptical about D3 too. I'm a SP kinda guy, not so much MP....so SC2 hasn't satisfied me in that department ;(. Looks like we'll get the same generic storyline come HoTS too.
I mean I guess I could feel guilty making fun of what is obviously an early concept and run through, but then I remember the ending of the WoL campaign.
"Lets take this wicked female villian who has slaughtered countless lives ruthlessly and turn her back into a helpless human to be carried off in the arms of Raynor. Oh yeah and lets make her naked.... obviously." Hormonal nerd fantasies GOGOGO!
I mean I guess I could feel guilty making fun of what is obviously an early concept and run through, but then I remember the ending of the WoL campaign.
"Lets take this wicked female villian who has slaughtered countless lives ruthlessly and turn her back into a helpless human to be carried off in the arms of Raynor. Oh yeah and lets make her naked.... obviously." Hormonal nerd fantasies GOGOGO!
The cliches are suffocating This is justice?? Really? Might have to review my D3 plans.
unless Kerrigan was still able to control the Zerg as a human, it's not a surprise she has to become infested again to control the Zerg. it was stated in WoL that Kerrigan needed to live to control the Swarm.
anyways, my expectations for SC2's storyline isn't very high after completing the WoL campaign. pacing and story were so much better in SC1/BW.
On December 09 2010 11:24 ScytheMan01 wrote: i think this might've been an alpha for the WoL ending, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all
why would the terran ending focus on kerrigan and not raynor also the fact it was made public then suddenly locked back to private seems like the guy accidently made it public activision are in full swing trying to crush this from getting out seems like more proof it's real also chris metzen's voice
it's not even that brood war had a great story either, but the concept had such a great foundation for a truly epic continuation.
kerrigan especially had potential as one of the most memorable villains in gaming. i dont care how much you get payed to do your job, you must be delusional to how little talent you have or you must truly not value creative progress in your industry to put out this kind of shit. where is the passion that i'm sure anyone in this thread would probably have more of compared to the actual developers?
the things i would fucking do if i had that kind of money.
It's nice to see people realizing just how badly they will screw up Diablo III's narrative. Did anyone see the hunter reveal trailer? This shit is on par with fucking generic JRPGs.
so, righto. This looks like a fairly finished product. They have it timestamped, beyond storyboarded, they have the voice acting done. What remains to be seen is whether this is *actually* a mockup of the ending, or just an ingame cutscene
It uses the IGCS engine, not a whitebox of fully 3d production that would indicate production footage leaking, so if it is genuninely the 'end cinematic' in the same way as the WOL one, it's a mockup- none of it is going to look like that in the end one, though the content and dialogue will be thematically identical. This is just a plasticine version to give the real cinematics team something to chew on.
The other possibility is it is simply *one* of the semi-ending cutscenes. Vis, arcturus was controlling the zerg somehow, and this is kind of like the media blitz ending cinematic. The end of a story arc, but not the end of the expansion itself. personally I hope this is the case.
All that said, it's fucking awful and blizzard should be ashamed. Even more corny than WoL and I didn't think that was possible. Cinematically it's structured extremely well, but it's uninspired. It hits all the technical buttons but has no flair or life. Every move is predictable, nothing shocks, nothing inspires. God damn blizzard, you have so many amazing artists and this is what you give them to work on? they must be secretly crying themselves to sleep at night that they're propping up every game on good looks alone. If you don't watch it, they might just start leaving...
On December 09 2010 11:12 Krigwin wrote: As a side note, I am now more pessimistic about D3 than I have ever been.
For some reason this hadn't dawned on me until reading this post. FUCK.
I'm sorry man. Just pattern recognition.
If it cheers you up, here's my prediction for the D3 plot: it turns out Diablo and the Prime Evils were originally just stewards of the land from before the time of humans, then they were enslaved by an ancient alien force intent on destroying Sanctuary. Agents of this unspeakable evil that have crossed the universe, consuming all in their path, were the ones who originally orchestrated the release of Diablo from the Burning Hells and caused the events at Tristram, they mind-controlled Diablo into the events of Diablo 2 all as part of their plan to KILL EVERYONE.
The Prime Evils, the other lesser Evils, and all the demons are all creatures that have been corrupted (perhaps by a curse... of the blood?) and are driven into a frenzy to KILL EVERYONE. Now, as random adventurers, YOU must put them out of their misery, defeat the agents of this greater evil and free the poor demons from their enslavement! The last campaign or act or whatever involves angels, humans, and demons banding together to protect some important artifact, structure, or location from an imminent invasion of the evil aliens.
you don't pay someone to do a mockup of that quality if you're not committed. That's about 2-5000 dollars right there, if not significantly more. It's possible that it might change, but only if some big shakeup happened and that would probably mean a game delay. Mutability tends to occur only at the pre-production stage- eg when they're doing pen and paper storyboarding and outlines. Once you get to paying voice actors for lines and commissioning 3d mockups, you're pretty much set apart from tweaking.
On December 09 2010 11:12 Krigwin wrote: As a side note, I am now more pessimistic about D3 than I have ever been.
For some reason this hadn't dawned on me until reading this post. FUCK.
I'm sorry man. Just pattern recognition.
If it cheers you up, here's my prediction for the D3 plot: it turns out Diablo and the Prime Evils were originally just stewards of the land from before the time of humans, then they were enslaved by an ancient alien force intent on destroying Sanctuary. Agents of this unspeakable evil that have crossed the universe, consuming all in their path, were the ones who originally orchestrated the release of Diablo from the Burning Hells and caused the events at Tristram, they mind-controlled Diablo into the events of Diablo 2 all as part of their plan to KILL EVERYONE.
The Prime Evils, the other lesser Evils, and all the demons are all creatures that have been corrupted (perhaps by a curse... of the blood?) and are driven into a frenzy to KILL EVERYONE. Now, as random adventurers, YOU must put them out of their misery, defeat the agents of this greater evil and free the poor demons from their enslavement! The last campaign or act or whatever involves angels, humans, and demons banding together to protect some important artifact, structure, or location from an imminent invasion of the evil aliens.
you don't pay someone to do a mockup of that quality if you're not committed. That's about 2-5000 dollars right there, if not significantly more. It's possible that it might change, but only if some big shakeup happened and that would probably mean a game delay. Mutability tends to occur only at the pre-production stage- eg when they're doing pen and paper storyboarding and outlines. Once you get to paying voice actors for lines and commissioning 3d mockups, you're pretty much set apart from tweaking.
Wow this is really bad... we should make a thread of all our 5 second ideas of how the story could be better. I am literally making this up as I type it so if it is even on par with their story... that's pretty damn bad...
I think it would be cool if after Kerrigan is saved that she would help Raynor kill Mengsk, but she would die at Mengsk's hand as he would finally finish the job therefore putting everyone in jeopardy as Dark Voice would not have any powerful enemies to have to take down...
At this point the story could take so many turns but either of these would be good (well... at least BETTER) for me... -We would find out not all of the Xel'Naga have died and they would hold the secrets to stopping Dark Voice. -Someone (Possibly Jim Raynor though I don't know how well he would fit with no psionic capabilities) could have to make the sacrifice of becoming infested to control the zerg and all of their power in order to fight off Dark Voice since the Zerg need a leader to be organized.
Tell me what you think, whether my ideas also suck bad... are better than the leaked video but still bad... passable or good. Keep in mind I just came up with these now so if these are at least decent, a professional story writer who spends all his time thinking about the story and reading into the lore would do a much better job.
I really don't like this version of the ending, there's still time for it to be changed but I think Blizzard had the overall Story set in stone, the day WoL released.
Ugh, everything went so down hill from the original sc storyline where theres deception, betrayal and the characters aren't brain dead. Remember how Mengsk and Kerrigan just play everyone like puppets to meet their agendas, then break every tie and turn on the people that trusted them? That creates hate and love for the characters involved and makes for a good, memorable story. Hell, I almost feel bad for Mengsk at this point because hes so freaking stupid. How can you hate a guy that's getting tooled in every way possible?
This storyline is so linear and dumbed down that it's so easy to predict what will happen in the next two expansions: HotS: Kerrigan becomes reinfested somehow and they take out Mengsk. The zerg are suddenly good guys and disappear into a vortex to find their place in the universe.
Final expansion: Toss and terran fight against the dark voice and the hybrids, then when all hope looks lost, the zerg appear out of no where and fight alongside the other races to defeat the dark voice.
Hello Wc3 storyline, nice to see you back! When you can't think of anything creative, just reuse the same story over and over - the dumbed down masses won't notice.... I have buddies who think WoL storyline was the best thing ever
On December 09 2010 11:38 Chicane wrote: Wow this is really bad... we should make a thread of all our 5 second ideas of how the story could be better. I am literally making this up as I type it so if it is even on par with their story... that's pretty damn bad...
I think it would be cool if after Kerrigan is saved that she would help Raynor kill Mengsk, but she would die at Mengsk's hand as he would finally finish the job therefore putting everyone in jeopardy as Dark Voice would not have any powerful enemies to have to take down...
At this point the story could take so many turns but either of these would be good (well... at least BETTER) for me... -We would find out not all of the Xel'Naga have died and they would hold the secrets to stopping Dark Voice. -Someone (Possibly Jim Raynor though I don't know how well he would fit with no psionic capabilities) could have to make the sacrifice of becoming infested to control the zerg and all of their power in order to fight off Dark Voice since the Zerg need a leader to be organized.
Tell me what you think, whether my ideas also suck bad... are better than the leaked video but still bad... passable or good. Keep in mind I just came up with these now so if these are at least decent, a professional story writer who spends all his time thinking about the story and reading into the lore would do a much better job.
We could have one of those threads where everyone gets to write 3 words, and it'd probably end up with a better/more coherent story line.
On December 09 2010 11:12 Krigwin wrote: As a side note, I am now more pessimistic about D3 than I have ever been.
For some reason this hadn't dawned on me until reading this post. FUCK.
I'm sorry man. Just pattern recognition.
If it cheers you up, here's my prediction for the D3 plot: it turns out Diablo and the Prime Evils were originally just stewards of the land from before the time of humans, then they were enslaved by an ancient alien force intent on destroying Sanctuary. Agents of this unspeakable evil that have crossed the universe, consuming all in their path, were the ones who originally orchestrated the release of Diablo from the Burning Hells and caused the events at Tristram, they mind-controlled Diablo into the events of Diablo 2 all as part of their plan to KILL EVERYONE.
The Prime Evils, the other lesser Evils, and all the demons are all creatures that have been corrupted (perhaps by a curse... of the blood?) and are driven into a frenzy to KILL EVERYONE. Now, as random adventurers, YOU must put them out of their misery, defeat the agents of this greater evil and free the poor demons from their enslavement! The last campaign or act or whatever involves angels, humans, and demons banding together to protect some important artifact, structure, or location from an imminent invasion of the evil aliens.
I think I can heartily confirm this won't be the D3 plot. I didn't read anything that looked remotely like a love interest.
Dawg, that's just the overarching story for D3.
See, they might do this "split the game into parts and sell it three times" thing again. In which case, even MORE epic plot action.
For example, in the first game, Barbarian, as the only playable one of the original heroes from D2, is the canon hero. He discovers that Druid has fallen and is now a sort of vigilante, hunting down demons to try to rescue his love, Amazon, who has been turned by the demons ancient alien evil, similar to the Corrupted Rogues from Act 1. Amazon was abandoned to the demons ancient alien evil by Mengsk Paladin, who went over to the dark side.
Barbarian joins up with Druid and kicks this revolution into overdrive works together to find Amazon, and along the way, they discover pieces of this Xel'Naga Horadric artifact that has the power to uncorrupt people from the demons ancient alien evil. They reassemble the device and save Amazon, setting up the stage for Game 2!
hmm thinking about it, maybe its not the general idea that's bad, but rather its more the execution. The original bw storyline could've been pretty cheesy as well depending on how it's done. But the little details made the characters believable.
On December 09 2010 11:38 Chicane wrote: Wow this is really bad... we should make a thread of all our 5 second ideas of how the story could be better. I am literally making this up as I type it so if it is even on par with their story... that's pretty damn bad...
I think it would be cool if after Kerrigan is saved that she would help Raynor kill Mengsk, but she would die at Mengsk's hand as he would finally finish the job therefore putting everyone in jeopardy as Dark Voice would not have any powerful enemies to have to take down...
At this point the story could take so many turns but either of these would be good (well... at least BETTER) for me... -We would find out not all of the Xel'Naga have died and they would hold the secrets to stopping Dark Voice. -Someone (Possibly Jim Raynor though I don't know how well he would fit with no psionic capabilities) could have to make the sacrifice of becoming infested to control the zerg and all of their power in order to fight off Dark Voice since the Zerg need a leader to be organized.
Tell me what you think, whether my ideas also suck bad... are better than the leaked video but still bad... passable or good. Keep in mind I just came up with these now so if these are at least decent, a professional story writer who spends all his time thinking about the story and reading into the lore would do a much better job.
We could have one of those threads where everyone gets to write 3 words, and it'd probably end up with a better/more coherent story line.
On December 09 2010 11:12 Krigwin wrote: As a side note, I am now more pessimistic about D3 than I have ever been.
For some reason this hadn't dawned on me until reading this post. FUCK.
I'm sorry man. Just pattern recognition.
If it cheers you up, here's my prediction for the D3 plot: it turns out Diablo and the Prime Evils were originally just stewards of the land from before the time of humans, then they were enslaved by an ancient alien force intent on destroying Sanctuary. Agents of this unspeakable evil that have crossed the universe, consuming all in their path, were the ones who originally orchestrated the release of Diablo from the Burning Hells and caused the events at Tristram, they mind-controlled Diablo into the events of Diablo 2 all as part of their plan to KILL EVERYONE.
The Prime Evils, the other lesser Evils, and all the demons are all creatures that have been corrupted (perhaps by a curse... of the blood?) and are driven into a frenzy to KILL EVERYONE. Now, as random adventurers, YOU must put them out of their misery, defeat the agents of this greater evil and free the poor demons from their enslavement! The last campaign or act or whatever involves angels, humans, and demons banding together to protect some important artifact, structure, or location from an imminent invasion of the evil aliens.
I think I can heartily confirm this won't be the D3 plot. I didn't read anything that looked remotely like a love interest.
Dawg, that's just the overarching story for D3.
See, they might do this "split the game into parts and sell it three times" thing again. In which case, even MORE epic plot action.
For example, in the first game, Barbarian, as the only playable one of the original heroes from D2, is the canon hero. He discovers that Druid has fallen and is now a sort of vigilante, hunting down demons to try to rescue his love, Amazon, who has been turned by the demons ancient alien evil, similar to the Corrupted Rogues from Act 1. Amazon was abandoned to the demons ancient alien evil by Mengsk Paladin, who went over to the dark side.
Barbarian joins up with Druid and kicks this revolution into overdrive works together to find Amazon, and along the way, they discover pieces of this Xel'Naga Horadric artifact that has the power to uncorrupt people from the demons ancient alien evil. They reassemble the device and save Amazon, setting up the stage for Game 2!
Brilliant. I think I'll be sending your ideas to James CameronBlizzard right away.
Who first came up with the idea that this is a the HoS cinematic? This is (was) a clip posted on the channel of a guy doing graphical design for Blizzard, over 3 months ago(Google cache). The BW voices are used, and there are some major inconsistencies, the biggest one being that Kerrigan is still fully infected of course. Isn't it more likely that this is a WoL clip (probably the ending) that was scrapped?
On December 09 2010 11:50 Guustaaf wrote: Who first came up with the idea that this is a the HoS cinematic? This is (was) a clip posted on the channel of a guy doing graphical design for Blizzard, over 3 months ago(Google cache). The BW voices are used, and there are some major inconsistencies, the biggest one being that Kerrigan is still fully infected of course. Isn't it more likely that this is a WoL clip (probably the ending) that was scrapped?
On December 09 2010 11:50 Guustaaf wrote: Who first came up with the idea that this is a the HoS cinematic? This is (was) a clip posted on the channel of a guy doing graphical design for Blizzard, over 3 months ago(Google cache). The BW voices are used, and there are some major inconsistencies, the biggest one being that Kerrigan is still fully infected of course. Isn't it more likely that this is a WoL clip (probably the ending) that was scrapped?
You're probably right, but it's still disappointing to think that anyone at Blizzard came up with this.
Okay, okay. Turns out Diablo was once a peaceful and caring steward of the lands, then he was corrupted by the ancient alien evil that wants to KILL EVERYONE and turned into such a horrible demon.
As random adventurers, you must assemble the Xel'Naga Horadric artifact so that you can deinfest uncorrupt Diablo, who will still have some control over the Zerg demons, who will become your allies in the next game, where you'll have DEMON CLASSES. Final act of the series - Tyrael, Diablo, and you and your party defend this artifact for 30 minutes while the demons ancient alien evil tries to kill you, and then after 30 minutes it explodes and turns all demons on Sanctuary back to normal.
But all is not well, for a hastily drawn peace is established between the humans, and the hellspawn, thus leading to... + Show Spoiler +
er what? same voices as WoL as far as I can tell...
and there are some major inconsistencies, the biggest one being that Kerrigan is still fully infected of course. Isn't it more likely that this is a WoL clip (probably the ending) that was scrapped?
Well, given the point of HoTS is kerrigan controlling the zerg sort of, and it's been suggested the customization of kerrigan herself provides the research/upgrade mechanic that such upgrades will be physically indicated. Thus at the end of WoL she will likely be all zerg-blinged out again. Makes sense to me at any rate.
Still, you might be right. It could be a scrapped ending, which is why it has been leaked (in the sense that the guy doesn't care so much about it any more). I really, really hope so, and that the replacement is better, but I somehow doubt it. Believe me, Blizzard has been working on HoTS for at least three years already, and this is beyond the time where they can be making any major story changes in the development cycle
nothing would make me happy then to be proven this is not the real ending but.
artist seems to have uploaded it to vimeo probably as private to either show someone at blizzard or show a friend and accidently made it public without realising.
Activision Games is shutting the video down everywhere as quickly as possible. seriously they caught onto it DAMN FAST. if it was a scrapped ending for WoL why would they care.
it fits with the ongoing storyline. kerrigan being re-infested as she re-takes control of the swarm and helps raynor kill mengsk to overthrow the dominion and avenge her betrayel.
but. it's awful. it couldn't be worse. the entire dark voice. big baddie whose evil for the sake of being evil is retarded and doesn't fit at all. bad guys were always the zerg. who were always had motivation for what they were doing. dark voice is just "PURE EVUL HUR DUR" sigh. now we have nice cuddly zerg who wont attack terrans anymore. fantastic. starcraft universe just became 1000x more boring.
SC1/BW storylines were about epic struggles for power and survival
SC1 Terran ending: Arcturus takes control of the Terran Dominion SC1 Zerg ending: Overmind establishes itself on the Protoss home planet, Aiur SC1 Protoss ending: Tassadar kamikaze pilots a Carrier into the Overmind and destroys it
BW Protoss ending: Zeratul and Artanis activate a Xel'Naga temple to wipe all Zerg off of Shakuras BW Terran ending: the United Earth Directorate takes control of the Overmind and thus, any Zerg under the Overmind's control BW Zerg ending: Kerrigan gains control of the Swarm and defeats the invading Dominion, UED, and protoss (Artanis's) fleet on Char
SC2 storylines have become too character focused
WoL ending: Raynor saves a back to human transformed Kerrigan HotS ending: Raynor/Kerrigan defeat Arcturus face to face
On December 09 2010 11:50 Guustaaf wrote: Who first came up with the idea that this is a the HoS cinematic? This is (was) a clip posted on the channel of a guy doing graphical design for Blizzard, over 3 months ago(Google cache). The BW voices are used, and there are some major inconsistencies, the biggest one being that Kerrigan is still fully infected of course. Isn't it more likely that this is a WoL clip (probably the ending) that was scrapped?
Well if anything we have been hearing from blizzard is true, HoTS will have some RPG elements revolving around kerrigan, (think of the research etc in the hyperion) so during the game kerrigan will regain her abilities (in game you would get more zerg units and abilities). By the end of the game kerrigian could be back to her fully infested self.
But yeah thats just a theory, it could be a scrapped WOL ending.
Edit: Thereisnosaurus beat me to it and said it better than i did
so the ending of an expansion coming in about 2 year's time is revealed and y'all are believing? SC2 was worked on for YEARS before we even saw the 1st image of it. Blizzard are the KINGS of keeping shit airtight. any other company and i'd say maybe, but blizzard dont leak stuff. Especially not the ending to the game.
On December 09 2010 12:17 PlaGuE_R wrote: so the ending of an expansion coming in about 2 year's time is revealed and y'all are believing? SC2 was worked on for YEARS before we even saw the 1st image of it. Blizzard are the KINGS of keeping shit airtight. any other company and i'd say maybe, but blizzard dont leak stuff. Especially not the ending to the game.
except blizzard didn't leak it. another studio they seemed to have outsourced to did.
On December 09 2010 12:17 PlaGuE_R wrote: so the ending of an expansion coming in about 2 year's time is revealed and y'all are believing? SC2 was worked on for YEARS before we even saw the 1st image of it. Blizzard are the KINGS of keeping shit airtight. any other company and i'd say maybe, but blizzard dont leak stuff. Especially not the ending to the game.
IIRC there was a timestamp with the year 2009 on it, so it's more likely IMO that it's a deleted ending from WoL than the Heart of the Swarm ending. Still, I'd say it's clear that Blizzard was involved in it and that aspects from this video will likely be in Heart of the Swarm.
On December 09 2010 11:38 Chicane wrote: Wow this is really bad... we should make a thread of all our 5 second ideas of how the story could be better. I am literally making this up as I type it so if it is even on par with their story... that's pretty damn bad...
I think it would be cool if after Kerrigan is saved that she would help Raynor kill Mengsk, but she would die at Mengsk's hand as he would finally finish the job therefore putting everyone in jeopardy as Dark Voice would not have any powerful enemies to have to take down...
At this point the story could take so many turns but either of these would be good (well... at least BETTER) for me... -We would find out not all of the Xel'Naga have died and they would hold the secrets to stopping Dark Voice. -Someone (Possibly Jim Raynor though I don't know how well he would fit with no psionic capabilities) could have to make the sacrifice of becoming infested to control the zerg and all of their power in order to fight off Dark Voice since the Zerg need a leader to be organized.
Tell me what you think, whether my ideas also suck bad... are better than the leaked video but still bad... passable or good. Keep in mind I just came up with these now so if these are at least decent, a professional story writer who spends all his time thinking about the story and reading into the lore would do a much better job.
We could have one of those threads where everyone gets to write 3 words, and it'd probably end up with a better/more coherent story line.
The sad part is it actually might end up better than what they have. ;-(
How does this scene make snese? Isn't it totally contrary to Arcturus wanting Tychus to kill Kerrigan? Doesn't make sense that he'd order her to attack his empire and then try to assassinate her.
When I heard of the thousand year old Torrasque that had it's own fucking mind I said this is the most fucking ridiculous piece of unit trash that had been made in the zerg swarm.
Now, all those night mares came true. I want my evil zerg back please... The only thing I though of when kerrigan reinfest herself would be that she becomes the evil queen everyone fears about. Now I only how that SC 2 was just a multiplayer game with no story.
still going to buy the game since it's still SC 2 HotS and the community.
On December 09 2010 11:50 Guustaaf wrote: Who first came up with the idea that this is a the HoS cinematic? This is (was) a clip posted on the channel of a guy doing graphical design for Blizzard, over 3 months ago(Google cache). The BW voices are used, and there are some major inconsistencies, the biggest one being that Kerrigan is still fully infected of course. Isn't it more likely that this is a WoL clip (probably the ending) that was scrapped?
Because the video's storytelling says it all really.
We learned 2 years ago there would be a separate campaign for each race and this one has all the markings of an ending cinematic for the Zerg and not the Terran. The focus is squarely on Kerrigan, a resolution of the history between her and Mengsk and the freeing of the Zerg from enslavement, with Raynor playing but an accessory role.
I just don't see Blizzard come a year before they release, making major revisions to the focus of the story like that.
I'm sure some would make the argument this could have been an ending for the Terran campaign to lead up into the Zerg one but why? That's what trailers for upcoming games are for.
lol Activision strikes fast. Hopefully the megaupload video link works... At this point, after experiencing the WoL campaign, I don't think things can get any worse.
edit: aw man that's pretty bad. I'm just going to assume that was scrapped and HotS won't really end like that.
edit2: seriously we need monologues. Real monologues like the ones in sc1.
everyone find a zerg unit and give it a big hug....these poor ravenous creatures with their various spikes, blades, acid, parasites, and tendency to absorb other species have been oppressed and made out to be villains for so long that now people can't see how cuddly and friendly they really are on the inside.
they are just confused and want to find their place in the universe
What happened to Jim swearing he would be the one to kill Kerrigan, that's what I want to know. Somewhere between BW and WoL he decided he wanted to save her instead. What happened to "She can't be redeemed, she's made too many people suffer."
On December 09 2010 13:16 lordmordor wrote: everyone find a zerg unit and give it a big hug....these poor ravenous creatures with their various spikes, blades, acid, parasites, and tendency to absorb other species have been oppressed and made out to be villains for so long that now people can't see how cuddly and friendly they really are on the inside.
they are just confused and want to find their place in the universe
On December 09 2010 13:03 Deathstar wrote: lol Activision strikes fast. Hopefully the megaupload video link works... At this point, after experiencing the WoL campaign, I don't think things can get any worse.
edit: aw man that's pretty bad. I'm just going to assume that was scrapped and HotS won't really end like that.
edit2: seriously we need monologues. Real monologues like the ones in sc1.
Things can always get worse... I just hope it doesnt. :-(
I really hope this is a scrapped ending cause if this is the ending of HotS then this could destroy the whole of Starcrafts legacy. What a horrible end to any storyline...
On December 09 2010 12:17 PlaGuE_R wrote: so the ending of an expansion coming in about 2 year's time is revealed and y'all are believing? SC2 was worked on for YEARS before we even saw the 1st image of it. Blizzard are the KINGS of keeping shit airtight. any other company and i'd say maybe, but blizzard dont leak stuff. Especially not the ending to the game.
When I first posted this I thought nobody cared. A few hours later and the thread has caught on, but so did Activision Blizzard and now the video is gone. My things change fast on the Internet.
I upload earlier the video to youtube and I got a "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Activision Games Inc." in about 25 plays of the video and 5 minutes.
On December 09 2010 10:58 lordmordor wrote: video summary: spoilers
Viking in ground mode shooting at something....infested Kerrigan flies in and splits it in half
several other vikings and marines open fire, only for her to telekinetically launch them into the air, where they explode
Someone is in his office and opens a case with a single cigar
Kerrigan claws her way into the office and finds Mengsk smoking, who says he has been waiting. Kerrigan says she is surprised he didn't try to escape.
Mengsk says she has misunderstood things and takes out a remote, which activates some sort of implant in her brain which sends her into writhing agony. A flashback of Kerrigan naked in a tank where the implant is put into place.
Mengsk asks if she really thought he would let an animal like her close to him without some form of protection.
He then moves to finish her, but Rayor shows up in full marine armor and throws Mengsk across the room, breaking the remote. Mentions he thought Kerrigan could use some backup
She pins Mengsk to the wall, claiming he turned everyone into monsters Mengsk tells her to just get her vengence over with and then choke on the ashes Kerrigan says it is not vengence, but justice...screen whites out
Kerrigan is overlooking the city as Rayor arrives and asks what next Kerrigan says she will leave humanity to its fate. The zerg are free now, even from her. So whether they bring life, or destroy worlds she will help them find the answers. out there among the stars
As she says this a massive flock of mutalisks is flying into the sky towards some kind of glowing thing in the sky (not sure if its a portal or just clouds made red by the setting sun)
I admit this is what video is about. Lordmordor didn't miss anything.
Btw, the fight scenes = from Force Unleashed ( Star Wars ) ( galen already does that exact scene once or twice )
Oh god damn it all to hell. What a fucking terrible ending.
I think I'd be hard-pressed to think of a time when I was so disappointed in my entire life.
I mean really. I just cannot express how incredibly terrible that ending is. I seriously don't think there is a language in the world with the proper words to properly describe what a piece of shit that is. This is just infuriating.
I was really excited for Wings of Liberty but the terrible story and plotholes made me very sad. It's too bad Blizzard isn't willing to patch the story of the game, it's in need of a lot of fixing. The terribleness of Heart of the Swarm's ending isn't even a surprise anymore. It's like Blizzard gave up any effort at crafting a story that is internally consistent and not awful.
On December 09 2010 14:12 windsupernova wrote: Oh god, I need a hug.
This is really upsetting.
*Hugs*
We all need hugs to cope with this.
The thing I want to know about is that at the end Kerrigan said she no longer had control over the zerg; WTF is controlling the zerg then? They are a hive mind and cannot physically function as individuals. Furthermore 12 years of BW has ingrained in me that Zerg are hardwired to assimilate and take over every living thing they find, no amount of retconning can possibly change such a fundamental characteristic of the zerg. Assuming that is the case, then only logical storyline for the protoss expansion is that the zerg wipes all the shit out and takes over the whole galaxy while protoss barely hangs on for dear life, kind of like PvZ's current status. Someone pls explain this to me, I could care less about the love interest and shitty cutscenes as long as the overarching storyline makes logical sense, which it doesn't right now.
This may simply be a single possible ending for HoTs, but it is not final. It is also quite possible that they have more then one of these and will never see the light of day. To me, while there are snippets that point to it being from WoL, I do believe that it is from HoTs. I only say that because with how I figured the story will progress, it fits the bill. It goes with the story and compliments it. But, I can be mistaken, all of us can be.
This was so.... weak... but with the way they retconned a lot of the back story to make the WoL story play out i can't really say i'm at all surprised...
Well, I'm definitely not surprised. The bad storytelling and dialogue that we saw in WoL doesn't just go away. Luckily for us we get to endure it for two more expansions!
Just watched that D3 hunter reveal trailer, and wow, so so bad. It seems like D3 will suffer the same fate. Oh how the mighty have fallen
On December 09 2010 11:59 Krigwin wrote: NO. NO WAIT. I GOT A BETTER IDEA.
Okay, okay. Turns out Diablo was once a peaceful and caring steward of the lands, then he was corrupted by the ancient alien evil that wants to KILL EVERYONE and turned into such a horrible demon.
As random adventurers, you must assemble the Xel'Naga Horadric artifact so that you can deinfest uncorrupt Diablo, who will still have some control over the Zerg demons, who will become your allies in the next game, where you'll have DEMON CLASSES. Final act of the series - Tyrael, Diablo, and you and your party defend this artifact for 30 minutes while the demons ancient alien evil tries to kill you, and then after 30 minutes it explodes and turns all demons on Sanctuary back to normal.
But all is not well, for a hastily drawn peace is established between the humans, and the hellspawn, thus leading to... + Show Spoiler +
Wait, let me get this straight. People watch a leaked, unfinished mock-up of the ending for HotS and without having the context of playing the rest of the campaign, are calling it shit? Do you guys also sneak into a restaurant's kitchen, eat the raw meat, and then say that the restaurant's steak is terrible?
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On December 09 2010 16:52 Jyvblamo wrote: Wait, let me get this straight. People watch a leaked, unfinished mock-up of the ending for HotS and without having the context of playing the rest of the campaign, are calling it shit? Do you guys also sneak into a restaurant's kitchen, eat the raw meat, and then say that the restaurant's steak is terrible?
Okay, the writing is still terrible, goddamnit Blizzard. Goddammit.
Nobody could complain about the quality of the scene itself, as it's far from finished.
But the entire thing is just horribly written and that's the mere reason why people call it shit. Mengsk's "I WIN" button is a massive plot hole that doesn't make sense - at all. And the rest is really, really bad and corny, too.
now I don't have to play it! Reminds me of what I did when I was disappointed by what I saw in the Deus Ex 2 demo and read about it. I totally spoiled the plot to kill any desire I might have to play it. Maybe I'll do the same for HotS. Hell, I've only played 3 1v1 matches since beta ended. I think I've drifted away from SC, and this is helping
Love the final quote "The Zerg are free now, slaves to no one, not even me, so whether they be the bringers of life or the destroyers of worlds, I'll help them find the answer, out there, among the stars..."
On December 09 2010 18:59 Wallack wrote: Love the final quote "The Zerg are free now, slaves to no one, not even me, so whether they be the bringers of life or the destroyers of worlds, I'll help them find the answer, out there, among the stars..."
Except it makes no sense. In Starcraft and Broodwar, whenever the Zerg weren't being controlled by a Cerebrate, Overmind, or Kerrigan, they would go on a crazy rampage and kill everything, even other Zerg. The Zerg are mindless, they need controlling influences.
On December 09 2010 18:59 Wallack wrote: Love the final quote "The Zerg are free now, slaves to no one, not even me, so whether they be the bringers of life or the destroyers of worlds, I'll help them find the answer, out there, among the stars..."
Except it makes no sense. In Starcraft and Broodwar, whenever the Zerg weren't being controlled by a Cerebrate, Overmind, or Kerrigan, they would go on a crazy rampage and kill everything, even other Zerg. The Zerg are mindless, they need controlling influences.
You have a point there, but I kind of got mixed messages. In the first mission the Zerg were killing each other but the ones on Braxis were quite docile on that mission for some reason, even before you approached them with the emitter. I wonder why that is.
On December 09 2010 18:59 Wallack wrote: Love the final quote "The Zerg are free now, slaves to no one, not even me, so whether they be the bringers of life or the destroyers of worlds, I'll help them find the answer, out there, among the stars..."
Except it makes no sense. In Starcraft and Broodwar, whenever the Zerg weren't being controlled by a Cerebrate, Overmind, or Kerrigan, they would go on a crazy rampage and kill everything, even other Zerg. The Zerg are mindless, they need controlling influences.
You have a point there, but I kind of got mixed messages. I forget which mission it was, but in one of the early BW zerg mission on the snpw map where Kerrigan is going around with psi emitters... the neutral Zerg were quite docile on that mission for some reason, even before you approached them with the emitter. I wonder why that is.
Both cases are in the original SC.
The "go crazy without a leader" part was in Vanilla SC Zerg Campaign, after Zeratul killed Zasz, and the "neutral zerg without a leader" was in Brood War Zerg Campaign where Raynor helps Kerrigan destroy the Psi Disruptor.
Why didn't you guys complain about the retcon back then!? Although, it's possible that they didn't do anything and were neutral because of the Psi Disruptor.
I also find it funny that my favorite part of the video (even though I don't mind it as much as others) is the music, which is actually placeholder too, from the Transformers 1 theme. LOL
On December 09 2010 10:54 holdthephone wrote: i really doubt they care what people think at this point.
I think everyone who is reading this thread is going to buy the game regardless. I love SC and the universes blizzard creates. I just feel they can to better on the story telling aspect.
Bzz wrong. One of my major reasons to buy WoL was the campaign. I was so disappointed with the quality writing going down so sharply and the retcons I seriously considered reselling my copy to recuperate my losses. The only reason I didn't because my other reason was my faith in the mod community to squeeze out additional value for my money just like in other PC games.
But I made a decision after finishing the game not to buy HOTS or LOV because I didn't expect the writing team to get better and it turns out they've actually gotten worse.
If I'm required to get HOTS or LOV to utilize future mods I'm just going to resell my copy.
What I'm wondering is what the hell can they possibly do for Legacy of the Void. This looks like a LotV ending rather than HotS. Who is Zeratul supposed to fight?
On December 09 2010 19:54 safjx wrote: What I'm wondering is what the hell can they possibly do for Legacy of the Void. This looks like a LotV ending rather than HotS. Who is Zeratul supposed to fight?
zeratul fights the hybrids who have found new slaves.........The panda bear guys.
The sad thing is, that this writing is on par with WoL... omg I miss old Raynor, chillin on a vulture and bein hella cool. In SC1, you were like OMG auir is being overrun by the zerg! THIS IS THE PROTOSS HOMEWORLD DAWG! It felt like a big deal, you felt sad for all the protoss babies and moms and dads and high templar uncles, but now there is no emotional attachment to anything. The characters are all stupid clichés that feel forced. OMG soooo many side missions... that don't contribute anything to the overall story or universe at all. Who gives a shit about the tal'darim? Damn blizzard...
On December 09 2010 18:59 Wallack wrote: Love the final quote "The Zerg are free now, slaves to no one, not even me, so whether they be the bringers of life or the destroyers of worlds, I'll help them find the answer, out there, among the stars..."
Except it makes no sense. In Starcraft and Broodwar, whenever the Zerg weren't being controlled by a Cerebrate, Overmind, or Kerrigan, they would go on a crazy rampage and kill everything, even other Zerg. The Zerg are mindless, they need controlling influences.
Except all we knew about zerg is now Wrong. They are actually lovable hug-able creatures that are lonely and just want to find their way in the universe
On December 09 2010 18:59 Wallack wrote: Love the final quote "The Zerg are free now, slaves to no one, not even me, so whether they be the bringers of life or the destroyers of worlds, I'll help them find the answer, out there, among the stars..."
Except it makes no sense. In Starcraft and Broodwar, whenever the Zerg weren't being controlled by a Cerebrate, Overmind, or Kerrigan, they would go on a crazy rampage and kill everything, even other Zerg. The Zerg are mindless, they need controlling influences.
Except all we knew about zerg is now Wrong. They are actually lovable hug-able creatures that are lonely and just want to find their way in the universe
*ZERG HUGS*
damnit dont HUG the Zerg Banelings dont make then go BOOM extinct LET THEM LIFE.
also I think after this Security Desaster Blizz will Change Ending.
Skip to 1:28 - 1:32 ( a similar scene was in that video ) and 1:41 - 1:43
She's already done this in the campaign of the last level several times... ( 0:00 to 0:57 ) and 1:18 to 1:24 was also found in that video ( she's doing the exact same thing in this )
It wouldn't be surprising if they took this one into their real game... ( kerrigan going killing all the leaders of the terran who happened to be gathered in one room )
Damn... that was bad. I really hope HotS won't end like that =| the zerg aren't some goddamn hippy tree-hugging elves that need freedom. They're the most badass killing machine the universe can conceive. Why the hell did Kerri go all Optimus Prime on them -.-
oh Blizzard, even if its not the final thing, bioware are using the most generic RPG plot, but always manage to pull out something incredible with it. The SC universe has so much potential and its all getting wasted by hollywood gimmicks
I've been trying to think what Kerrigan means by her statements at the end of the cinematic.
"I keep my end of the bargain...and leave humanity to it's fate."
What bargain is she talking about? What fate? It makes me think that she was forced into freeing the Zerg to save humanity. Perhaps the Dark Voice and it's connections in the Dominion were rivaling Kerrigan for control of the Zerg, like many people have speculated even before this cinematic got leaked. That would be one good reason other than "revenge" for Kerrigan/Raynor to go crush the Dominion as an endgame of this expansion. Had the Dark Voice succeeded in controlling the Zerg, or even part of it, it could have easily destroyed all mankind, especially if it successfully had Kerrigan killed and gained full control.
"The Zerg are free now, slaves to no one, not even me."
I think this backs up my theory that there is more than one force trying to gain control of the Zerg. It seems redundant to say "slaves to no one" and especially "not even me" unless another force was trying to enslave them. I really doubt it's speaking of the Overmind, considering it's been dead for a long time anyways. It most likely is Dark Voice, his pawns (such as Narud/Duran), or some Hybrid.
"So whether they be the bringers of life, or the destroyers of worlds, I'll help them find the answer, out there, amongst the stars."
The answer to this clearly will be told in Legacy of the Void. Kerrigan has left the Zerg to chose their own purpose to their existence. Will they aid the Protoss in defeating the Dark Voice and it's Hybrids? Probably. Hopefully it won't be just that easy. Maybe the Xel'naga will convince them.
it doesnot fit the story of WoL at all. so it could either be a much earlier version of the story or a fake, what is possible as wel. i dont beleve it is the true ending. Edit: i feel like i have to explain why it doesnot fit the story of WoL: first, kerrigan is not human, so it has to be before WoL, but then Mengsk dies, so it has to be after WoL. paradox? it just does not fit, so it is not the end of HotS
On December 09 2010 23:43 nehl wrote: it doesnot fit the story of WoL at all. so it could either be a much earlier version of the story or a fake, what is possible as wel. i dont beleve it is the true ending. Edit: i feel like i have to explain why it doesnot fit the story of WoL: first, kerrigan is not human, so it has to be before WoL, but then Mengsk dies, so it has to be after WoL. paradox? it just does not fit, so it is not the end of HotS
Well they said way back that In HoTS the main charachter is Kerrigan and something about regaining/gaining power, and romours about rpg elemets.
So it's posible that at the begining of HoTS she is human, and at the end of the campaign she is back to being infestesed and at full strength. My personal bet is that instead of the lab and tech research points, you are upgrading Kerrigan in HoTS.
1 - Real. Everything remains as is until the day of release.
2 - Real, but Blizzard assumes that this leak will destroy the game. They get to work and rethinking the script, with a new ending.
3 - False and released by Blizzard on purpose. There have been many cases of television series that create 2, 3, 4 alternative endings so that nobody knows what is the "good" ending even in case of leakage.
On December 10 2010 00:08 DayJP wrote: what the hell was that other kerrigan in that lab tube thing?! A CLONE? oh boy!
A flashback to the first time she felt that pain when it was implanted in her skull. Neuro Inhibitor I believe it's called. It's to keep Ghosts under control if they go rogue for some reason.
If I'm wrong feel free to correct me, but it's something like that.
"The zerg are free now, slaves to no one, not even me. So wether they are the bringers of life or the destroyers of ..."
When I saw the ending I had no idea of what to say, changing the zerg completely, making them so...weak. And then kerrigan going from the "queen bitch of the universe" to this melodramatic whiny person that had the goal to "set the zerg free".
./sigh
I really hope this isn't true, because from seeing that video the story will become even more silly/hollywood'esque then WoL
Personally, this Mengsk's "win button" is pretty obvious and a minimum intelect would have a similar device. My only problem is that it IS a button. He, as a super genius, should have thought about something less breakable, the whole thing would be better - and Raynor! WTF? I mean, it wouldn't be more "facepalm" than that! The princess is in danger and here comes the knight in shining armor to save the day.
Yes, I'm a Mengsk's fanboy and I think that he was GREATLY underused. He's actual intellect (the one we see in the videos) is much lower than his idealized intellect. And seen this ending, I have no doubt that it's real and will be as it is, just because of Arcturus' mistake. Tipical of the WoL writing.
I wanted to see him the way I saw him in SC I and BW: hated by all, but needed to stay alive to help them. THAT's a genius. It doesn't matter whether people hate you or not, as long as they need you. And now, what do we see?
Its like the valarian introduction, Someone with a ability to kill him comes in and suddenly somting happens what changes the tides, Whatever its a offer to safe kerrigan or to kill mengsk and be a shiny armored knight, Kerrigan having 1000 mutalisks waiting outside is kind of stupid.
First half I thought was awesome. Kerrigan was back, corrupted again and looking for revenge...it is vengeance...thats why its cool, thats what is kerrigan, thats what is dark and gritty, and thats what is starcraft. "Yes! Jims plan failed and she really is an unsavable loss." I thought. Mengsk sits there, alone, stairing at his cigar. My mind was instantly drawn to how Dugalle felt when Kerrigan was coming for him. "Ah so Mengsk is broken. I wonder if he will try to beg for his life. Maybe appeal to kerrigans now vacant humanity. Maybe a thinly vieled apology for how they ruined her. Remind her that he made her (and maybe scream this in vainity/outrage as his appeal falls on deaf ears). Kerrigan tears open the door in rage and then...
Nothing. Some things happened which my brain, having seen so many saturday morning cartoons of this sort of stuff, tuned out. I didn't feel for the characters, there was no revelation or new understanding to move the plot forward, no resolution of grand themes. Just exactly what I expected (hoping I was wrong) to happen. Mengsk fights back, raynor saves day, kerrigan becomes good.
Dark and Gritty
Because you see themes, turns and character depth are what make good writing. I know that by exclusion. Because when I was just starting out in this world I would sit down to write awesome stories. And I would start with the important parts. You know the part with the spy killing people and being awesome. You know stuff like new gadgets showing up just when needed. And heros showing up just when needed. And then the story would finish and Id go back to read it. And it was empty. Just like this ending left me.
Not so much
Depth is what SC1 and BW had in droves. Its why me as a child was so fascinated by it. This was different from my saturday morning cartoons. There was something special here. I do believe Metzen is trying. I do believe the whole of Blizzard is working their ass off on this. And in all fairness this is better than anything in WoL. But they need to listen to their fans to make this a truely epic story. Afterall listening to fans is what makes Blizzard the best damn videogame compay out there.
There was a cartoon that had a device similar to that, but it ended up being as large as the entire facility with the psionics/parapsychology/psychokinesis/personal-reality kids being affected, but mengsk would choose a handheld device that could be broken so easily...
quote " the zerg are free now, slaves to noone, not even me"... or so she can't controll the zerg in this vid, or why else would she attack the dominion alone?
The issue on the zerg being the orcs of starcraft was discussed on the lore panel scroll down to 39:48 (well sort of), seems to imply differently to what we have seen in this ending.
I dont get why blizzard would have an outside studio handle this concept vid for the ending, blizzard have always been super secretive, things dont seem to add up. Then again it does appear to be metzens voice.........
None of us can really say for sure, but its probably best we dont make assumptions that is real (or fake for that matter)
I hope it is fake though, i dont like the idea of the zerg becomming free.
For those hoping that the previs is a fake: sorry, but it just isn't. I know because I work in the game/film industries and I've done a lot of work with previs. If it is a fake, it's the most amazing fake in the history of fakes.
So... bad news. You only do previs if you've completed the story/script and you're gearing up to spend big bucks on cinematics. I wouldn't expect much to change. Not significantly, anyway.
BW Zerg = mindless killing machines that rampage and slaughter each other in the absence of psionic domination. Totally unstoppable personification of nature. SC2 Zerg = Freedom is the right of all sentient Zerg. Go free my zerglings amongst the stars! FREE!
BW Kerrigan = backstabbing manipulating bitch that played everyone to become ruler of the galaxy. Queen Bitch of the Universe. SC2 Kerrigan = This isn't vengeance, Arcturus. THIS! IS! SPARTA! JUSTICE!
I was going to list the other retcons but by this point I'm so enraged I'm mentally stuttering. Just how exactly can any professional writer, much less one that actually played SC1/BW, think this kind of nonsense could possibly be acceptable?
I thought it was way to obvious from the title that Kerrigan would have this duty to fill to make sure nothing goes 'wrong.' Not to mention, Blizzard's worst kept secret: a Starcraft MMO. Enough rehashing of old stories. Give us something new Blizzard. Gritty story lines are always better.
There's are two things that I gather from this video (apart from the obivious HotS ending):
1. This video could be the opening cinematic. Kerrigan frees the Zerg and helps them along while the "Dark Voice" tries to enslave them again.
2. It was a video and story that got scrapped, considering the numbers in the upper right hand corner of the video are 04.08.09. If these numbers are a date, it makes this video pretty old.
On December 10 2010 02:27 StarStruck wrote: I thought it was way to obvious from the title that Kerrigan would have this duty to fill to make sure nothing goes 'wrong.' Not to mention, Blizzard's worst kept secret: a Starcraft MMO. Enough rehashing of old stories. Give us something new Blizzard. Gritty story lines are always better.
starcraft mmo? if ur referring to the unannounced next-gen mmo. its already been confirmed to not be based on a current blizzard franchise.
doesn't Blizzard do all their cinematics in-house? this honestly looks like something maybe Blizzard lended to an outside company and then scrapped it and now the outside company releases it just for shits or something. This seriously looks like garbage. Like it's not even satisfying. Is it really going to take a whole nother game just to take down Mengsk, who got boned in WoL? I was expecting to take him down in WoL, honestly I thought that's what the game was going to end up being about, but no, they had to try to make it more epic and stir shit up with the Zerg.
Metzen is so cocky too, his stupid Blizzcon lore panels are like 45 minutes of him dodging questions (both current and future games, really he doesn't even understand his own storylines - "wow that's a really good question!.....":awkward long pause as he conjures up excuse and then the other 15 minutes are him being like "OHHH JUST WAIT SHITS GONNA GET REAL" but then the storyline ends up playing out like something I wrote in 4th grade. Still I have faith that even if this was real, Blizzard would see the reaction and just change it.
On December 10 2010 04:11 251 wrote: doesn't Blizzard do all their cinematics in-house? this honestly looks like something maybe Blizzard lended to an outside company and then scrapped it and now the outside company releases it just for shits or something. This seriously looks like garbage. Like it's not even satisfying. Is it really going to take a whole nother game just to take down Mengsk, who got boned in WoL? I was expecting to take him down in WoL, honestly I thought that's what the game was going to end up being about, but no, they had to try to make it more epic and stir shit up with the Zerg.
Metzen is so cocky too, his stupid Blizzcon lore panels are like 45 minutes of him dodging questions (both current and future games, really he doesn't even understand his own storylines - "wow that's a really good question!.....":awkward long pause as he conjures up excuse and then the other 15 minutes are him being like "OHHH JUST WAIT SHITS GONNA GET REAL" but then the storyline ends up playing out like something I wrote in 4th grade. Still I have faith that even if this was real, Blizzard would see the reaction and just change it.
Yea it can be much better, but I expect Kerrigan to kick some ass in the last scene lol.
why are ppl complaining about the ending? we already knew that Kerrigan will be on the protagonist side, isn't peace the ultimate ending? and ofc thats not necessary true cuz they have another expansion afterward.
The "leaked" video is so dumb. I have a hard time believing this is the real ending, but more likely something that got scrapped. Notice how kerrigan is infested again? she lost much of her zergy look at the end of WOL.
On December 10 2010 04:47 anch wrote: why are ppl complaining about the ending? we already knew that Kerrigan will be on the protagonist side, isn't peace the ultimate ending? and ofc thats not necessary true cuz they have another expansion afterward.
Becouse of the same reason why people are complaining about Uwe Boll's movies or Lady Gaga's songs. Last time i saw so bad dialogs when i was playing Empire Earth 1 russian campaign (ok, that was even more cheese and ridiculus than that, but not so far). Ending is not that what i expected about the serie, but that's horrible dialogs is the thing that really killed me there.
On December 10 2010 04:47 anch wrote: why are ppl complaining about the ending? we already knew that Kerrigan will be on the protagonist side, isn't peace the ultimate ending? and ofc thats not necessary true cuz they have another expansion afterward.
because this Kerrigan
is much better than the "This isn't vengeance, Arcturus. This is justice!" Kerrigan
Blizzard is going to have to do a hell of a job to make people hate Arcturus in HotS for the leaked ending to work well because they did a horrible job of making Arcturus evil in WoL and they did not do enough to humanize Kerrigan in order for us to care about Kerrigan getting turned back human.
At least when Orcs became good guys in Warcraft 3, there was now the Undead who could never be anything but evil. In fact, now that I think about it, the similarities between the Orcs and Zerg are just way too numerous.
The only way this could get worse in Legacy of the Void is if the Dark Voice (Burning Legion), no longer able to enslave the Zerg to do its bidding (Orcs) finds some new weapon to make the hybrid do whatever he wants them to do (Undead).
It is so booooring. NO CREATIVITY AT ALL. It is just a copy/paste approach. Very similar to the first ending. I am sure it is real because this is exactly Blizzards style in the last years - just copy and paste...
So can we agree that WarCraft now has a better continuous storyline than StarCraft (because of how bad WoL was and how bad HoTS is likely to be in terms of SP)? Okay, maybe WoW ruined WarCraft.
On December 10 2010 05:48 Deadlyhazard wrote: So can we agree that WarCraft now has a better continuous storyline than StarCraft (because of how bad WoL was and how bad HoTS is likely to be in terms of SP)? Okay, maybe WoW ruined WarCraft.
OH GOD WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN to Diablo 3?!?!
It's already happening. Have you read any of the Diablo books or watched the Demon Hunter teaser? Terrible. Absolutely terrible.
On December 09 2010 11:50 Guustaaf wrote: Who first came up with the idea that this is a the HoS cinematic? This is (was) a clip posted on the channel of a guy doing graphical design for Blizzard, over 3 months ago(Google cache). The BW voices are used, and there are some major inconsistencies, the biggest one being that Kerrigan is still fully infected of course. Isn't it more likely that this is a WoL clip (probably the ending) that was scrapped?
That's what I was thinking too (at some point they were still planning for SC2 to be a single game, am I right?), but if that's the case I don't see why Blizzard can't just come out and say it instead of making everyone think it's the next game's ending.
At least when Orcs became good guys in Warcraft 3, there was now the Undead who could never be anything but evil. In fact, now that I think about it, the similarities between the Orcs and Zerg are just way too numerous.
The only way this could get worse in Legacy of the Void is if the Dark Voice (Burning Legion), no longer able to enslave the Zerg to do its bidding (Orcs) finds some new weapon to make the hybrid do whatever he wants them to do (Undead).
I'd like to point out that because Blizzard has taken the effort to call their lawyers to shut down the sites that have been posting the video (except Kotaku), it is HIGHLY likely a legit video.
On December 09 2010 11:50 Guustaaf wrote: Who first came up with the idea that this is a the HoS cinematic? This is (was) a clip posted on the channel of a guy doing graphical design for Blizzard, over 3 months ago(Google cache). The BW voices are used, and there are some major inconsistencies, the biggest one being that Kerrigan is still fully infected of course. Isn't it more likely that this is a WoL clip (probably the ending) that was scrapped?
That's what I was thinking too (at some point they were still planning for SC2 to be a single game, am I right?), but if that's the case I don't see why Blizzard can't just come out and say it instead of making everyone think it's the next game's ending.
that's a lot more plausible. i'd expect HotS to have another cliffhanger ending to make us want the Protoss campaign.
i actually hope this is real. and that the leak is big enough to make blizzard re-write a bit of the written HotS story so that the ending wasn't revealed 15 months before the game came out.
For those thinking it's fake because it's horrible quality... really? really? you try to do high definition rendered 3d movie and not start from scratch with basic 2d models....
for my part, I HOPE it's fake because the lines are sooo cheesy... feel like watching a bad american blockbuster movie.
Sidenote... Blizzard, I know you looooove Chris Metzen, but cmon now, I think it's time for you to hire someone else. All your games avec the same voice actor : METZEN for thrall, deckard cain, mengst, cairne bloodhoof( I think) and plenty more i cant think of right now. Moreover all your games have the same story now... good guys become bad guys ( diablo, kerrigan, arthas ) and now you have these races that were mind controlled to be bad, but in reality, are peaceful (zerg, orcs). Please, please, don't let metzen participe in the brainstorm sessions from now on. KTHXBAI
who says kerrigan has to be the good guy lol... seems like she's just doing her old thing but with more sincerity ringing in her tone. notice how her mouth doesn't move... i'm thinking the cinema may be close to real, but the voice is interchangeable still at this point... she could be saying hella different things in the real thing for all I care... she sounded kinda hot though but that's besides the point
I think it's fine personally. Not disappointed at all. I was worried when I heard "the zerg are free now" but then she goes on to say how what they're free to do is destroy whatever they want. Sounds about right to me.
Also yeah obviously the majority of people in this thread have never been to an animation studio. This is called a Leica. It's just something the animators use to get timings right, it's nothing close to what the finished product will look like.
You don't make all the shots in order. They'd have hundreds of people working on it, and each person is assigned one or two shots a week. Every shot in this video was clearly still in progress, with some of them not even started yet. It's very early in production and looks very legitimate to me, having worked in an animation studio myself for a little bit.
And yes, a majority of the voices are placeholders used for animation purposes (like tilting their heads at the right times and stuff). Once they have the actual voices, then they can do the lipsyncing.
Lol it would be actually quite funny if someone pulled a prank and turned that vid into some sadomasochistic version with Arturus saying all sorts of nasties while hitting that button lol.
Something like "that's right my little bitch...you've been a very naughty girl. i've been waiting for you all this time to set fire to my cigar. now here's some punishment."
On December 10 2010 02:18 Krigwin wrote: So let me get this straight:
BW Zerg = mindless killing machines that rampage and slaughter each other in the absence of psionic domination. Totally unstoppable personification of nature.
The BW Zerg attacked each other because of the psi disruptor didn't they? Replay the BW zerg campaign, they start off as murderous, but the ones on Braxis were docile presumably because they were not in range of the psi disruptor. It's speculation on my part however, BW kind of made it a plot hole.
On December 10 2010 02:18 Krigwin wrote: So let me get this straight:
BW Zerg = mindless killing machines that rampage and slaughter each other in the absence of psionic domination. Totally unstoppable personification of nature.
The BW Zerg attacked each other because of the psi disruptor didn't they? Replay the BW zerg campaign, they start off as murderous, but the ones on Braxis were docile presumably because they were not in range of the psi disruptor. It's speculation on my part however, BW kind of made it a plot hole.
with overmind - focused. aligned under a single leader. psi disrupter made them go crazy i think. or didn't it just lure them to that area? without overmind or any leader - rampaging and mindless. almost all broods split into warring factions.
they were mindless at the beginning of BW because wasn't the overmind just killed? they had no leader. kerrigan was trying to rally them/gather her strength whatever to gain full control.
First, Wikileaks is all over the news for releasing a bazillion secret docs into the wild, and now we get the HotS ending leaked too? I could get used to this flow of free info thing
Now I have been freed of any curiosity or interest i had in HotS. (This vid's legit search your feelings LOL)
Oh, and this ending is pretty in line with WoL's but even worse and is total crap. I actually feel bad and annoyed both by what I'm watching and what I'm hearing, never mind the dump it takes into the canon of the original SC.
Blizzard should take Metzen and its whole team of writers on a "trip to the farm" and put them out of their misery LOL.
On December 10 2010 05:48 Deadlyhazard wrote: So can we agree that WarCraft now has a better continuous storyline than StarCraft (because of how bad WoL was and how bad HoTS is likely to be in terms of SP)? Okay, maybe WoW ruined WarCraft.
OH GOD WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN to Diablo 3?!?!
WarCraft has a horrible story. WC3 is an abortion of writing, much like WoL.
i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
On December 10 2010 02:18 Krigwin wrote: So let me get this straight:
BW Zerg = mindless killing machines that rampage and slaughter each other in the absence of psionic domination. Totally unstoppable personification of nature.
The BW Zerg attacked each other because of the psi disruptor didn't they? Replay the BW zerg campaign, they start off as murderous, but the ones on Braxis were docile presumably because they were not in range of the psi disruptor. It's speculation on my part however, BW kind of made it a plot hole.
with overmind - focused. aligned under a single leader. psi disrupter made them go crazy i think. or didn't it just lure them to that area? without overmind or any leader - rampaging and mindless. almost all broods split into warring factions.
they were mindless at the beginning of BW because wasn't the overmind just killed? they had no leader. kerrigan was trying to rally them/gather her strength whatever to gain full control.
So the zerg can get along with their own broods if they're leaderless? Damn it, I wish that Blizzard scrapped the UED chapter so we could have seen Daggoths point of view.
On December 10 2010 02:18 Krigwin wrote: So let me get this straight:
BW Zerg = mindless killing machines that rampage and slaughter each other in the absence of psionic domination. Totally unstoppable personification of nature.
The BW Zerg attacked each other because of the psi disruptor didn't they? Replay the BW zerg campaign, they start off as murderous, but the ones on Braxis were docile presumably because they were not in range of the psi disruptor. It's speculation on my part however, BW kind of made it a plot hole.
with overmind - focused. aligned under a single leader. psi disrupter made them go crazy i think. or didn't it just lure them to that area? without overmind or any leader - rampaging and mindless. almost all broods split into warring factions.
they were mindless at the beginning of BW because wasn't the overmind just killed? they had no leader. kerrigan was trying to rally them/gather her strength whatever to gain full control.
So the zerg can get along with their own broods if they're leaderless? Damn it, I wish that Blizzard scrapped the UED chapter so we could have seen Daggoths point of view.
well the way the zerg seemed to work was the overmind controlled the cerebrates who controlled their broods. i guess if the overmind wanted to he could do it all but who knows. with kerrigan it was only her. she had no cerebrates (except you. the player in the Brood War campaign. i wonder what happened to that cerebrate? a side-storyline thats probably more interesting than anything Blizzard have written so far).
Freeing the Zerg was the very reason that the overmind created the Queen of Blades in the first place, so that's in line with the established lore. How Zerglings will handle free will, I don't know, they act like feral animals in the absence of hydras and up even with the hivemind available.
This also isn't the true ending considering that it's only the second chapter and still needs to leave things open enough to allow for Legacy of the Void to work... such as how WoL had to end with the so called "Cliff Hanger" to allow for HotS to start the way they wanted it to start and take the story the direction they wanted to take it.
Now, what I would love is a redone cinematic for the Destruction of the Overmind.
That was even more cheesy than WoL's dialogue. I really hope that because of this leak Blizzard decides to revise their scene/dialogue some, hopefully for the better.
On December 10 2010 09:41 pzea469 wrote: i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
This. You can't assume there are plotholes when you haven't even seen 99% of the game.
On December 10 2010 09:41 pzea469 wrote: i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
This. You can't assume there are plotholes when you haven't even seen 99% of the game.
There would have to be at least a few plot holes in order to leave room for Legacy of the Void... SCI left plot holes at the end of every campaign to make room for the next campaign (Well, admittedly a lot of us just assumed Kerrigan had died by the end of the first chapter and were treated with the twist early in the second chapter). But anyways, since there are more planned games, it would have to leave a plot hole to be filled in by the next game.
Right now the most intriguing plot hole is Samir Duran. I can't wait to find out exactly what it is he's been up to all this time and what he really is.
On December 10 2010 09:41 pzea469 wrote: i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
This. You can't assume there are plotholes when you haven't even seen 99% of the game.
There would have to be at least a few plot holes in order to leave room for Legacy of the Void... SCI left plot holes at the end of every campaign to make room for the next campaign (Well, admittedly a lot of us just assumed Kerrigan had died by the end of the first chapter and were treated with the twist early in the second chapter). But anyways, since there are more planned games, it would have to leave a plot hole to be filled in by the next game.
Right now the most intriguing plot hole is Samir Duran. I can't wait to find out exactly what it is he's been up to all this time and what he really is.
Right, but that's not the kind of plot hole I meant.
I meant people complaining about retcons and this and that, when they haven't even given the full game a try yet to see if those retcons have reasonable explanations.
On December 10 2010 09:41 pzea469 wrote: i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
This. You can't assume there are plotholes when you haven't even seen 99% of the game.
There would have to be at least a few plot holes in order to leave room for Legacy of the Void... SCI left plot holes at the end of every campaign to make room for the next campaign (Well, admittedly a lot of us just assumed Kerrigan had died by the end of the first chapter and were treated with the twist early in the second chapter). But anyways, since there are more planned games, it would have to leave a plot hole to be filled in by the next game.
Right now the most intriguing plot hole is Samir Duran. I can't wait to find out exactly what it is he's been up to all this time and what he really is.
Right, but that's not the kind of plot hole I meant.
I meant people complaining about retcons and this and that, when they haven't even given the full game a try yet to see if those retcons have reasonable explanations.
Personnaly, my problem with this, is NOT the storyline. Of course, we absolutely don't have the full story, secrets blablabla, but my problem is HOW it's delivered. I feel like watching a soap opera with all the guys being blonde tall dudes saying one liners, than look at the camera flexingn...
On December 10 2010 10:40 Conrose wrote: Freeing the Zerg was the very reason that the overmind created the Queen of Blades in the first place, so that's in line with the established lore. How Zerglings will handle free will, I don't know, they act like feral animals in the absence of hydras and up even with the hivemind available.
This also isn't the true ending considering that it's only the second chapter and still needs to leave things open enough to allow for Legacy of the Void to work... such as how WoL had to end with the so called "Cliff Hanger" to allow for HotS to start the way they wanted it to start and take the story the direction they wanted to take it.
Now, what I would love is a redone cinematic for the Destruction of the Overmind.
that was a retcon brought in by WoL. frankly it all seems stupid. like the dumb xel'naga plot device. Metzen really wants us to believe the Overmind rushed to aiur to find out some of the prophecy? another dumb plot device. what was on aiur. a magical temple? did his tentacle touch the pinnacle and suddenly he knew?
makes me so god damn angry just thinking about it.
previous poster was right. artanis was wrong. it is just warcraft in space and it's actually much less sophisticated
originally the overmind just wanted kerrigan because she was an extremely powerful psionic being that he could utilize to increase his power in the universe. with such a powerful subject nothing would stand in his way. atleast until the horrible retconning that is.
that was a retcon brought in by WoL. frankly it all seems stupid. like the dumb xel'naga plot device. Metzen really wants us to believe the Overmind rushed to aiur to find out some of the prophecy? another dumb plot device. what was on aiur. a magical temple? did his tentacle touch the pinnacle and suddenly he knew?
Huh? The Overmind didn't rush to Auir to find out the prophecy. He all ready knew about it, hence why he created Kerrigan. He went to Auir to kill the protoss because according to WoL the Dark Voice or some rogue Xel'naga tampered with the Zerg to make them aggressively want kill the protoss. That's what they meant when the zerg had no free will. The race on the whole was tampered with long ago. This seems to make people think they would have been a nice/happy race if they weren't tampered with. They are still a vicious animalistic race that infest new species, except because of being tampered with, they now have a hard on for the protoss and can't do anything about it. That's from my understanding what they meant by not having free will.
Oh well, Anyway my thoughts on the leaked video are it's definitely from Blizzard and someone is getting fired. As for the ending I didn't think it was that bad. The dialogue was horrible and seems to be everyone chief complaint and I agree. If the maybe rewrite the script and lose some of the cheese it could come across a lot different.
On December 10 2010 09:41 pzea469 wrote: i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
This. You can't assume there are plotholes when you haven't even seen 99% of the game.
There would have to be at least a few plot holes in order to leave room for Legacy of the Void... SCI left plot holes at the end of every campaign to make room for the next campaign (Well, admittedly a lot of us just assumed Kerrigan had died by the end of the first chapter and were treated with the twist early in the second chapter). But anyways, since there are more planned games, it would have to leave a plot hole to be filled in by the next game.
Right now the most intriguing plot hole is Samir Duran. I can't wait to find out exactly what it is he's been up to all this time and what he really is.
You're failing to understand what a plot hole really is. There's a difference between leaving a story or a branch of a story open-ended or unsolved and leaving plot holes. Plot holes are inconsistencies that don't make sense within the story, while open-ended parts/unsolved parts of a story are simply unanswered questions.
i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
Doesn't matter how they explain it - that's an absolutely shitty ending to a horrific story with an atrocious script.
meh, for everybody saying how horrible this is, what did you expect? It looks like it's just as bad as WoL. I gave up on the story once I finished the campaign. Blizzard have written themselves into a corner and have tried to put twists in the story that completly ruin everything.
I mean honestly, the overmind is actually good? kerrigan is some chosen one to defeat an ultimate evil? Kerrigan is easy to defeat and is now suddenly good? The three races must team up to defeat a hybrid race or the universe will be destroyed(How predictable and cliche can you get)?
At least the vid fills in the plot hole of why Mengsk didn't have tychus kill jim raynor early on.
I only just noticed this, but why was she killing blues? Aren't they supposed to be jims marines? And then there was "her end of the bargain". I have reason to think that it may not be a happy ending at all.
At least the vid fills in the plot hole of why Mengsk didn't have tychus kill jim raynor early on.
Huh? The Overmind didn't rush to Auir to find out the prophecy. He all ready knew about it, hence why he created Kerrigan. He went to Auir to kill the protoss because according to WoL the Dark Voice or some rogue Xel'naga tampered with the Zerg to make them aggressively want kill the protoss.
He went to Auir to kill the protoss because according to WoL the Dark Voice
according to WoL
like i said. retconning. even if im wrong. dark voice as far as i know was only introduced in a few books/comics after bw release leading upto sc2. where they removed the overmind as a bad guy and replaced him with overmind is a misunderstood guy!
At least the vid fills in the plot hole of why Mengsk didn't have tychus kill jim raynor early on.
I'd like an explanation for this.
Well it looks like from the cinematic that Mengsk has been somewhat of a puppet master of Kerrigan all along and that he probably set Raynor up to go to Char so tychus could kill kerrigan.........
Lol, but I realize that doesn't make sense either because if it's Mengsk's plan to kill kerrigan he doesnt need raynor's help anyways. -___-
I was just trying to be positive, but alas it is impossible to see any good from where the SC story has gone. Metzen has lost his mind I think...
That's been a recurring problem with Chris Metzen as of late. He keeps coming up with "brilliant" new ideas, but they are integrated very poorly into the story, and usually requires major retcons or changing characters personalities to pull it off.
- Jim loves Kerrigan and wants to save her, which retcons BW where Jim gave up on trusting her. Jim also apparently forgets Fenix for no reason. - Overmind needs some kind of plot twist, which turns out to be an obvious asspull just to make the zerg more sympathetic. Not to mention a blatant copy/paste of the orcs storyline from WC3. - Starcraft needs a redemption story! But to put it in, they need to butcher Kerrigan's personality from "queen bitch" to "helpless damsel needing to be rescued" who does nothing but deliver empty threats and walk around doing nothing of note. And let's not forget the Deus Ex Machina that is the Xel'Naga artifact. - Metzen wants to put in a prophecy into the story to make it more "epic", but of course it requires a bullshit story over how the Xel'Naga forsaw everything regarding the zerg and protoss, yet somehow they didn't forsee the zerg betraying them.
And that's just with SC alone. Let's not forget about the amount of lore and characters from Warcraft that got crapped on just to make more content. Illidan is generically evil. Arthas acts like a cartoon villain. Zul'jin, Malygos, and Kael'thas are suddenly insane for incredibly shallow reasons just for the sake of being a raid boss. And...god, I could go on all day about this.
A psi disruptor disrupts psi. Psi being the method of control.
The psi disruptor disrupted the Overmind/Cerebrates' control over the zerg. Disrupted, the zerg were leaderless. Leaderless, they became mindless killing machines, tearing each other apart.
Peace? Fuck that noise.
On December 10 2010 16:09 Spawkuring wrote: - Starcraft needs a redemption story! But to put it in, they need to butcher Kerrigan's personality from "queen bitch" to "helpless damsel needing to be rescued" who does nothing but deliver empty threats and walk around doing nothing of note. And let's not forget the Deus Ex Machina that is the Xel'Naga artifact.
This especially pisses me off. They already waved the possibility of Kerrigan's redemption over our heads in BW. And in a genius move, instead of showing us even a glimmer of hope, they kicked us in the dick and made Kerrigan the Queen Bitch of the Universe. Because screw your ethics.
Also.. really? The Xel'Naga artifact just happens to reverse infestation in terrans? That's sure convenient. Looks like we were being assholes all along, killing infested terrans, when we should have captured them and waited to get our hands on that super special chocolately awesome sundae fudge machine of de-infestation.
It's because the writing team isn't hungry any more. They're luxuriating in the WoW money mound and as such have grown lazy, like a boxer who has held the championship for too long. They know they can write whatever they want and people will buy the game because it's a Blizzard game. It's sad to see, because the Blizzard of old was amazing. They used to go above and beyond what was necessary, and that was what made the fans love them.
I'm staying away from the HotS campaign unless people start saying they've returned to form. WoL raped my childhood enough.
On December 10 2010 16:15 snotboogie wrote: I'm staying away from the HotS campaign unless people start saying they've returned to form. WoL raped my childhood enough.
When this gangbang of childhood memories is hopefully over with Legacy of the Void, someone needs to fire up Galaxy Editor and give us a story that actually makes sense.
And we shall ignore that travesty that is WoL/HotS/LotV and take his work as canon.
On December 10 2010 15:51 MavercK wrote: like i said. retconning. even if im wrong. dark voice as far as i know was only introduced in a few books/comics after bw release leading upto sc2. where they removed the overmind as a bad guy and replaced him with overmind is a misunderstood guy!
The Overmind is dead, why bring him back. He wasn't misunderstood, you got more detail on what he was plotting from the beginning. The overmind died and if a villain died you need to introduce a new one (dark voice). To bring the overmind back would be a retcon and I know how much you love those.
Is just me or is the word retcon (Retroactive continuity) used way to much these days. It seems like any new story that is based on a previous game/movie/book their are people screaming I can't believe they retconned this or that.
Anyway, this will be my last post in this topic and I just have to say people take video game stories a lot more serious these days. I guess I just come from the days when "i'm sorry, but the princess is in another castle" was more then enough. Well, good luck and hope you find a video game story up to your par.
I actually hope this was what Blizzard actually made, then maybe after the video has been leaked they would realize that the actual content was crap and change everything, including the ending.
On December 10 2010 16:09 Spawkuring wrote: That's been a recurring problem with Chris Metzen as of late. He keeps coming up with "brilliant" new ideas, but they are integrated very poorly into the story, and usually requires major retcons or changing characters personalities to pull it off.
- Jim loves Kerrigan and wants to save her, which retcons BW where Jim gave up on trusting her. Jim also apparently forgets Fenix for no reason. - Overmind needs some kind of plot twist, which turns out to be an obvious asspull just to make the zerg more sympathetic. Not to mention a blatant copy/paste of the orcs storyline from WC3. - Starcraft needs a redemption story! But to put it in, they need to butcher Kerrigan's personality from "queen bitch" to "helpless damsel needing to be rescued" who does nothing but deliver empty threats and walk around doing nothing of note. And let's not forget the Deus Ex Machina that is the Xel'Naga artifact. - Metzen wants to put in a prophecy into the story to make it more "epic", but of course it requires a bullshit story over how the Xel'Naga forsaw everything regarding the zerg and protoss, yet somehow they didn't forsee the zerg betraying them.
You hit it right on.
I especially hate the whole "The zerg aren't evil! They've just been controlled this whole time! They're good, actually, probably better natured than the terran and protoss!" Same thing with the orcs in WC3. I thought I read somewhere that their doing the exact same thing with the undead now in WoW :r
Aren't the zerg just a bunch of assimilated non-intelligent species? I thought they were carnivourous mindless beasts assimilated by the zerg
While I was waiting for the single player campaign, I thought WoL was all about Raynor putting a dent on both the Dominion AND the Swarm. Meanwhile, Zeratul informs Raynor about his discovery in the 'Dark Origins' mission which is Duran and his Hybrid.
On December 10 2010 16:42 lolaloc wrote: While I was waiting for the single player campaign, I thought WoL was all about Raynor putting a dent on both the Dominion AND the Swarm. Meanwhile, Zeratul informs Raynor about his discovery in the 'Dark Origins' mission which is Duran and his Hybrid.
If they just kept it simple like that I would be so much happier with it right now.
On December 10 2010 16:22 HarryMcdoogle wrote: Anyway, this will be my last post in this topic and I just have to say people take video game stories a lot more serious these days. I guess I just come from the days when "i'm sorry, but the princess is in another castle" was more then enough. Well, good luck and hope you find a video game story up to your par.
Any time you make a continuation of an existing series, expectations will be on par with whatever came before it. Obviously this game had a very high bar, since it is a continuation of Starcraft, one of the most beloved games of all time, and it is from Blizzard, a company known for greatness when only good would've sufficed. So to respond to your comment, I do not take most video games that seriously. Except when it comes to Blizzard. They've taught me to expect more from them, because they've always been more than just another game company. And that's why I've bought and played every single thing they've put out without any hesitation. They've earned that level of respect from me.
So when Blizzard promises to meet these expectations, and then something like WoL comes out, I can't help but feel disappointed, not only because of WoL, but where I feel the company is headed. It's starting to turn into just another game company. But it is what it is I guess.
untill the end of the video i was hoping duran to appear and kill kerrigan and say "thanks for freeing the zerg now they can be easily controlled by me muauwauwua (evil laugh)" and then raynor would cry and duran would lick his tears..
On December 10 2010 09:41 pzea469 wrote: i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
This. You can't assume there are plotholes when you haven't even seen 99% of the game.
There would have to be at least a few plot holes in order to leave room for Legacy of the Void... SCI left plot holes at the end of every campaign to make room for the next campaign (Well, admittedly a lot of us just assumed Kerrigan had died by the end of the first chapter and were treated with the twist early in the second chapter). But anyways, since there are more planned games, it would have to leave a plot hole to be filled in by the next game.
Right now the most intriguing plot hole is Samir Duran. I can't wait to find out exactly what it is he's been up to all this time and what he really is.
On December 10 2010 18:10 GizmoPT wrote: dont worry guys at the end of Legacy of the Void during credits Raynor will wake up.. and SC2 was all just a "wet" Dream
On December 10 2010 18:10 GizmoPT wrote: dont worry guys at the end of Legacy of the Void during credits Raynor will wake up.. and SC2 was all just a "wet" Dream
i love steve jablonski, his music is just awsome. hope he will make the real soundtrack for the next game. strange to me, kerrigan again zerg queen. sad raynor still no kids.
looks in the first step like a cinematic with the mapeditor. if it is true or not does not really matter, its entertaining.
On December 10 2010 09:41 pzea469 wrote: i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
They've already proven with WoL they can't make a story without serious leaps in logic, copying and pasting past work, insertion of gratuitous cheezy Hollywood liners, and all done with the writing ability of a 4th grader.
Blizzard writing team of today pales in comparison to the writing team of ten years ago. What's really sad is that Metzen played a strong part in developing what was back then a good story. He has completely lost his touch and needs to get his head back in the game or be sidelined for new talent.
On December 10 2010 18:10 GizmoPT wrote: dont worry guys at the end of Legacy of the Void during credits Raynor will wake up.. and SC2 was all just a "wet" Dream
Possible cliffhanger for Starcraft 3?
Oh why does this kinda head towards World Of Starcraft ?!
On December 10 2010 09:41 pzea469 wrote: i think u guys are judging this unfinished video too harshly. Even if this IS the true ending of HOTS, blizzard has the whole game to explain things and for it to be a good story.
They've already proven with WoL they can't make a story without serious leaps in logic, copying and pasting past work, insertion of gratuitous cheezy Hollywood liners, and all done with the writing ability of a 4th grader.
Blizzard writing team of today pales in comparison to the writing team of ten years ago. What's really sad is that Metzen played a strong part in developing what was back then a good story. He has completely lost his touch and needs to get his head back in the game or be sidelined for new talent.
A lot of the team is still there, but it still feels like there's a different creative (or uncreative) force in Blizzard. Maybe I've been too harsh on Metzen, because even he's trying to fight the asinine decision to bring Tychus back.
And Brian is lead writer. One of the two writers for Jade Empire. He also wrote a few of the Normandy crew of ME2 which made up for it's bad main plot. You wouldn't think he wrote the SCII dialogue if you compared it to ME2. I guess that splitting it into three parts halfway through development and bringing in this new guy in what was probably less than a year between ME2 and WoL had a lot to do with it. Not that Bioware were ever great, but I'd have expected better knowing Brians resume.
Well, maybe its not the creative team that's at fault but rather the executives up high, who decided that SC2 needs to be a lot more accessible in all regards, including story and multiplayer (No BW vs. SC2 discussion, just saying it's a lower skill floor, this is universally accepted.) The story caters to a totally different demographic, while the multiplayer is for the older generation.
At least that's my explanation, since I've seen Saturday morning cartoons that felt less cliched than this.
Look everyone just face it. We all already know whats going to happen in the end.. Zerg, Terran and protoss join forces to take on the Hybrid/Xel Naga race ....
Okay, I'm predicting it now - at the end of the trilogy, Raynor gets in a spaceship, flies to Earth, and lands in front of the Lincoln Memorial only to find it has an monkey face and the planet is populated by apes.
On December 10 2010 23:28 Archontas wrote: Okay, I'm predicting it now - at the end of the trilogy, Raynor gets in a spaceship, flies to Earth, and lands in front of the Lincoln Memorial only to find it has an monkey face and the planet is populated by apes.
And then Jim must run for president against the lincoln statue which was reanimated by the nefarious robot toy mafia in a dasterdly plot for world domination!
A video claiming to show the ending of StarCraft 2: Heart of the Swarm, the next title in the startegy series was leaked onto YouTube last night.
Activision are obviously not happy at the situation although it is still unclear as to whether this was a real video or a fan created piece of footage. The fact that Activision has been chasing around trying to get the leaked footage removed points to it being legitimate.
The video was also watermarked with the name of the production company who lists Blizzard as one of their clients so there is some good evidence to suggest the video was legitimate. The audio that is present is also very authentic so we think this leak could have some merit.
The ending wasnt THAT bad, it might be a lot that happens story-wise in hots before this video, but one thing I do agree on is that is silly to make kerrigan back into queen of blades..
On December 11 2010 00:49 Roflhaxx wrote: The ending wasnt THAT bad, it might be a lot that happens story-wise in hots before this video, but one thing I do agree on is that is silly to make kerrigan back into queen of blades..
We need to wait and see what exactly is behind Mengsk's "I win" button, but it has potential to be extremely stupid.
And the entire "Free Zerg" thing is silly as well, considering they're pretty much bio-weapons at that point.
On December 10 2010 18:10 GizmoPT wrote: dont worry guys at the end of Legacy of the Void during credits Raynor will wake up.. and SC2 was all just a "wet" Dream
Kerrigan: "Raynor... it's 2 in the morning, go back to sleep." Raynor: "Wait... WHAA!!!" Kerrigan: "I'm not infested... you and Mengsk saved me at New Gettysburg, remember?" Raynor: "I'm... I'm sorry" Kerrigan: "Now go back to sleep, you don't want to be dead tired for bowling night with Duke and the guys."
On December 10 2010 18:10 GizmoPT wrote: dont worry guys at the end of Legacy of the Void during credits Raynor will wake up.. and SC2 was all just a "wet" Dream
Kerrigan: "Raynor... it's 2 in the morning, go back to sleep." Raynor: "Wait... WHAA!!!" Kerrigan: "I'm not infested... you and Mengsk saved me at New Gettysburg, remember?" Raynor: "I'm... I'm sorry" Kerrigan: "Now go back to sleep, you don't want to be dead tired for bowling night with Duke and the guys."
LOL, very nice. Picturing Duke decked out in bowling gear made my day =D
Anyway, I'm glad it's just an animatic, there are still Soooo many things they can change. Interesting to see where they are headed with kerrigan though, I was hoping she would keep her sexy form
The cutscene itself is pretty boring and doesn't do too much with the story but... What are you expecting really from a 3 minute cutscene?
On December 09 2010 23:43 nehl wrote: it doesnot fit the story of WoL at all. so it could either be a much earlier version of the story or a fake, what is possible as wel. i dont beleve it is the true ending. Edit: i feel like i have to explain why it doesnot fit the story of WoL: first, kerrigan is not human, so it has to be before WoL, but then Mengsk dies, so it has to be after WoL. paradox? it just does not fit, so it is not the end of HotS
Well they said way back that In HoTS the main charachter is Kerrigan and something about regaining/gaining power, and romours about rpg elemets.
So it's posible that at the begining of HoTS she is human, and at the end of the campaign she is back to being infestesed and at full strength. My personal bet is that instead of the lab and tech research points, you are upgrading Kerrigan in HoTS.
no it is not possible. i think i read that HotS plays before WoL, so mengsk cannot die. it simply is a fake.
On December 09 2010 23:43 nehl wrote: it doesnot fit the story of WoL at all. so it could either be a much earlier version of the story or a fake, what is possible as wel. i dont beleve it is the true ending. Edit: i feel like i have to explain why it doesnot fit the story of WoL: first, kerrigan is not human, so it has to be before WoL, but then Mengsk dies, so it has to be after WoL. paradox? it just does not fit, so it is not the end of HotS
Well they said way back that In HoTS the main charachter is Kerrigan and something about regaining/gaining power, and romours about rpg elemets.
So it's posible that at the begining of HoTS she is human, and at the end of the campaign she is back to being infestesed and at full strength. My personal bet is that instead of the lab and tech research points, you are upgrading Kerrigan in HoTS.
no it is not possible. i think i read that HotS plays before WoL, so mengsk cannot die. it simply is a fake.
i should applaud you at being so wrong in so few sentances.
I just don't understand why we would go through the whole trouble of Wings of Liberty just to have Kerrigan reinfest herself, that's bullshit.
If this is legit, it'll probably be all about her making some "noble sacrifice" by reinfesting herself to free the Zerg from the Hybrids. Except that just doesn't make sense on so many levels; why not have th Xel'Naga artifact simply free her mind from the Zerg directives, then?
Two things about that ending don't make sense, either: a) It's implied that the Zerg are key to the fight against the Hybrids, and even if the Zerg are freed from the specter of Hybrid control, why the fuck wouldn't you keep the army of unstoppable, unfeeling, vicious killing machines around to fight the Big Bad?
b) As pointed out, whenever the Zerg have been unlead before, they go on a vicious killing rampage.
I really hope this isn't the ending on so many levels, because it makes no damn sense. If this has been leaked in an attempt to make Blizzard realize how retarded the ending is and somehow change it, I applaud that leaker.
On December 11 2010 15:43 TheTuna wrote: I just don't understand why we would go through the whole trouble of Wings of Liberty just to have Kerrigan reinfest herself, that's bullshit.
If this is legit, it'll probably be all about her making some "noble sacrifice" by reinfesting herself to free the Zerg from the Hybrids. Except that just doesn't make sense on so many levels; why not have th Xel'Naga artifact simply free her mind from the Zerg directives, then?
Two things about that ending don't make sense, either: a) It's implied that the Zerg are key to the fight against the Hybrids, and even if the Zerg are freed from the specter of Hybrid control, why the fuck wouldn't you keep the army of unstoppable, unfeeling, vicious killing machines around to fight the Big Bad?
b) As pointed out, whenever the Zerg have been unlead before, they go on a vicious killing rampage.
I really hope this isn't the ending on so many levels, because it makes no damn sense. If this has been leaked in an attempt to make Blizzard realize how retarded the ending is and somehow change it, I applaud that leaker.
They probably de-infested her so that she could regain her humanity, and will re-infest her next game so that they can have their "RPG" elements that they've been talking about.
A lot about the story doesn't make sense. I've given up all hope on making sense of the story or trying to understand how grown men could think this kind of plot and dialogue is decent at all.
On December 09 2010 23:43 nehl wrote: it doesnot fit the story of WoL at all. so it could either be a much earlier version of the story or a fake, what is possible as wel. i dont beleve it is the true ending. Edit: i feel like i have to explain why it doesnot fit the story of WoL: first, kerrigan is not human, so it has to be before WoL, but then Mengsk dies, so it has to be after WoL. paradox? it just does not fit, so it is not the end of HotS
Well they said way back that In HoTS the main charachter is Kerrigan and something about regaining/gaining power, and romours about rpg elemets.
So it's posible that at the begining of HoTS she is human, and at the end of the campaign she is back to being infestesed and at full strength. My personal bet is that instead of the lab and tech research points, you are upgrading Kerrigan in HoTS.
no it is not possible. i think i read that HotS plays before WoL, so mengsk cannot die. it simply is a fake.
Unless you have a concrete source, then some random rumor you heard doesn't mean anything. Not only that, Metzen does the voice for both Mengsk and Raynor in that scene. Sounds fairly legitimate to me.
From Zeratul's stories, the visions have shown that the Hybrids are capable of controlling the Zerg and uses them to wipe out the Galaxy of life.
The Overmind forsaw this, and thus created Kerrigan for her to create an independent control of the swarm (Similar to events during the Brood wars where Zerg control was split between the Cerebrates and Kerrigan) and save the Zerg from being slaves from the Hybrids.
Without Kerrigan, the hybrids would simply take control of the Zerg and kill everyone with it.
If you look at how the Zerg Hive Mind is structure, lesser strains are subordinate to higher strains with implied higher intelligence. Zerglings are at the bottom, feral when solo but show signs of organization in the presence of a Hydralisk, most noted by their ability to organize an ambush. Overseers (In the stories at least) acted as extensions to a Cerebrate's conscience and thus their presence resulted in fine tuned control not unlike an organized military as directed by a cerebrate directly. The Cerebrates were of an individual sentience from the Overmind, but bound to the will of the overmind. Unable to disobey its directives but capable of free thought in achieving their specified directives, this seen in the varied styles of combat noted in the manual for SCI. The Overmind itself was created with directives it could not violate... genetically bound or psychologically conditioned this way by the dark voice some how, I don't know. In one case that may or may not be considered Canon, an Ultralisk was able to take command of its own brood and has gone mercenary.
Now, lets look at the "Absence" of a hive mind, but not the absence of a higher sentience. In a number of stories, there are zerg who are surgically operated on to remove their connection with the zerg hive mind while retaining some measure of telepathy, the result was that they could be controlled by Ghosts. Kerrigan herself before her infestation was involved in such experiments. One ghost apparently took over the mind of a Cerebrate that tried to assimilate him and took control of a brood in this manner. Additionally, in the Brood Wars Zerg campaign, the mission after she betrays Fenix and Mengsk on Korhal IV, Kerrigan was attacked by the UED and their pet zerg, requiring scientists to be on site to maintain control over the broods they were using.
So I hypothesize that during HotS, While Kerrigan is mutating herself to become stronger, she's also mutating the Swarm and further developing their individual sentience until at the end each strain right down to the feral zergling becomes capable of individual thought.
One question: did "the third floor" do the cgi cinematics or the ingame cinematics? And will this hots cinematic be prerendered? i think not, because they used the models from the editor, which were used for the ingame cinematics, not the models for the cgi cinematics. Maybe it's the intro of Hots (okay, Blizzard has to explain then a few things: why is Kerrigan infested again? who is this clone of Kerrigan with a barcode on her forehead? what is this thing in Mengsk hand?) If it's the intro, it will be about, how Kerrigan "helps find the answers" etc.. Any thoughts?
On December 11 2010 18:37 Denda Reloaded wrote: One question: did "the third floor" do the cgi cinematics or the ingame cinematics? And will this hots cinematic be prerendered? i think not, because they used the models from the editor, which were used for the ingame cinematics, not the models for the cgi cinematics. Maybe it's the intro of Hots (okay, Blizzard has to explain then a few things: why is Kerrigan infested again? who is this clone of Kerrigan with a barcode on her forehead? what is this thing in Mengsk hand?) If it's the intro, it will be about, how Kerrigan "helps find the answers" etc.. Any thoughts?
If that was the intro it would be even worse. It would make zero sense. Only argument for the intro suggestion is that the game is played in flashbacks to that event and maybe few missions after that. If that is the case I have to go back to it being even worse.
If it was really created in 2009, then I think its just an alternate ending to WOL. The ending we have now is actually the 2nd last mission - she becomes "humanized" again and then her and Raynor hit up Mengsk's crib and kill him, releasing the Zerg. And now we can be a cerebrate or overmind or whatever to control the zerg in HOTS!
Or my mind is just furiously coming up with ideas in denial. DONT LET ME DOWN BLIZZARD, please let this be an epic troll.........
The only thing that iritating me more than idiotic writing I saw in the leaked movie are fans of SC2, who are trying to find a sense in the story that doesnt make sense any more...
On December 11 2010 20:56 sup3rchan wrote: If it was really created in 2009, then I think its just an alternate ending to WOL. The ending we have now is actually the 2nd last mission - she becomes "humanized" again and then her and Raynor hit up Mengsk's crib and kill him, releasing the Zerg. And now we can be a cerebrate or overmind or whatever to control the zerg in HOTS!
Or my mind is just furiously coming up with ideas in denial. DONT LET ME DOWN BLIZZARD, please let this be an epic troll.........
yknow, SC2 was meant to have a Terran/Zerg/Protoss campaign, so this was probably made before they decided to split the campaign into 3 parts (which then by theory there should be a previs for the protoss ending as well)
I'm really glad they decided to split the campaign through three installemnts, because that previs was fucking horrible, and now they have time to think over how shitty that was and try to at least somewhat rescue the plot :l god knows how fucking bad it would've been if all 3 parts of the campaign was released together ><
That is absolutely sick. But really, that storyline appeals to me more than a sci-fi storyline anyway. But you can't really expect this kind of masterpiece coming from Blizzard storywise anymore.
On December 11 2010 08:50 skipgamer wrote: wow, read back a few pages for links, it's really not that hard to read before you post -_- at least skim the thread...
On December 11 2010 15:43 TheTuna wrote: I just don't understand why we would go through the whole trouble of Wings of Liberty just to have Kerrigan reinfest herself, that's bullshit.
If this is legit, it'll probably be all about her making some "noble sacrifice" by reinfesting herself to free the Zerg from the Hybrids. Except that just doesn't make sense on so many levels; why not have th Xel'Naga artifact simply free her mind from the Zerg directives, then?
Two things about that ending don't make sense, either: a) It's implied that the Zerg are key to the fight against the Hybrids, and even if the Zerg are freed from the specter of Hybrid control, why the fuck wouldn't you keep the army of unstoppable, unfeeling, vicious killing machines around to fight the Big Bad?
b) As pointed out, whenever the Zerg have been unlead before, they go on a vicious killing rampage.
I really hope this isn't the ending on so many levels, because it makes no damn sense. If this has been leaked in an attempt to make Blizzard realize how retarded the ending is and somehow change it, I applaud that leaker.
Kerrigan needs to reinfest herself to help mutate the Zerg to a point where they can have free will. They were designed to be a race requiring a powerful psychic being (initially The Overmind) to control them. That is why the Zerg are so susceptible to manipulation by technology (Psi Emitters) or psychic beings (Ghosts). Without control, they will obviously be feral. However, with evolution, they can and obviously will be free to make their own choices and such.
"The Zerg are free now. Slaves to no one...not even me."
This quote from Kerrigan in the leaked cinematic backs that up. Also, although old information, it is said that Kerrigan (and probably the Zerg) will gain new powers throughout the Heart of the Swarm campaign, and clearly she is Infested there. She probably regains her powers but retains her sanity, as she now has knowledge of the intricacies of Zerg biology.
My guess is that in Heart of the Swarm, the Dark Voice will use his Hybrid agents in attempt to control the Swarm. Hybrids are immensely psychic Protoss who also have Zerg DNA in them. Seems like the perfect candidate to manipulate the Swarm. However, Kerrigan will successfully mutate them to the point of "freedom."
The Zerg, free from oppression, will be able to come up with their own decisions to determine what's best for them. Guess what? The best thing for them will be to stop the Dark Voice and his Hybrids. Why is this? Well, if you play the mission "In Utter Darkness," after the last Protoss falls, the Zerg are now expendable. As the Dark Voice puts it:
"As I was your beginning - so shall I be...your end."
He is obviously referring to the Zerg, since the Protoss are already completely wiped out at that point. Then he proceeds to kill the entire Zerg Swarm effortlessly. You see all the Zerg and Zerg buildings explode into blood and guts.
Obviously, the combination of Zerg and Protoss forces (and RAYNORS RAIDERS :D :D) will be too much for the Dark Voice to handle. Besides, chances are the Dark Voice (aka The Fallen One) is some FALLEN XEL'NAGA. Remember what happened when the full fury of the Zerg Swarm was unleashed on the Xel'Naga? Yep. They had to GG.
The only thing that confuses me a bit is what Kerrigan is speaking of when she says "I keep my end of the bargain, and leave humanity to it's fate." I wonder if something catastrophic happens to humanity in the process? Does Kerrigan go insane sometime during the HotS campaign? Perhaps herself being controlled by Mengsk's agents? And then rescued by Raynor? She does mention that Arcturus has turned them all into monsters. Mengsk mentions that he wouldn't keep her close without some kind of insurance (the device in her brain that he uses to electrocute her.) Another thing said during "In Utter Darkness" from Zeratul is that the Terrans have been consumed. Hopefully due to Kerrigan's intervention, they will be saved.
Or perhaps, she means that she has sacrificed her humanity for good, or at least the time being. Maybe her end of the bargain was to become and/or stay Zerg so she can eventually help the freed Zerg "find the answer."
Oh well, I guess that will be the mystery left for us to find out in the game. :D
Hmm, maybe the Overmind infested Kerrigan just so it could give Kerrigan the ability to essentially become a more... attractive, more mobile Cerebrate. Makes sense, since Kerrigan still has her *snake hair* thingy and since Kerrigan WAS and STILL IS a Ghost. Ghosts have tons of psionic potential, the Overmind just took it to new heights. Maybe Kerrigan will still be able to control the Zerg, even while in her human form. I mean come on, the Zerg are controlled by psionic beings, with a little more hierarchy in their command structure(Overmind commands Cerebrates, Cerebrates control Overlords, Overlords control lesser creatures) than the Protoss. Since Kerrigan is still a level 12 psionic being(Meaning she is still like a goddess among mortals), she should still IN THEORY be able to control the Zerg. Essentially, Kerrigan is like the Overmind and a Cerebrate combined, and a lot more mobile(I mean come on, hasnt anyone given a thought as to how the Overmind and the Cerebrates move from planet to planet? Just fascinating thinking about how those big, sluggish things move around. Also, funny fact, Cerebrates look like sea cucumbers ) AND a lot more beatiful. Luv dat hair <3
Also, Blizzard does not reveal any kind of information about endings FIRST! That essentially ruins the setup. Blizzard does not make games by this decree: They do things from the ground up, not the other way around. This fact is enough to convince me that this *leaked* ending is either a fanmade video with voice acting made by someone SIMILAR to the true voice actors, a scrapped ending that was thrown away, then released for the fun of it, or its just a fake clip Bliz sent to make us think what would happen with this kind of ending and then they will wow us with another ending that makes more sense. Also, i dont wanna watch that clip, and i wont. Its one of these things, for sure.
Wow holy crap that looked amazing. In terms of dialogue it still felt a bit cliche'd...but visually if you're gonna put together a trailer, that is definitely how you do it.
On December 12 2010 02:57 Brother Roga wrote: Hmm, maybe the Overmind infested Kerrigan just so it could give Kerrigan the ability to essentially become a more... attractive, more mobile Cerebrate. Makes sense, since Kerrigan still has her *snake hair* thingy and since Kerrigan WAS and STILL IS a Ghost. Ghosts have tons of psionic potential, the Overmind just took it to new heights. Maybe Kerrigan will still be able to control the Zerg, even while in her human form. I mean come on, the Zerg are controlled by psionic beings, with a little more hierarchy in their command structure(Overmind commands Cerebrates, Cerebrates control Overlords, Overlords control lesser creatures) than the Protoss. Since Kerrigan is still a level 12 psionic being(Meaning she is still like a goddess among mortals), she should still IN THEORY be able to control the Zerg. Essentially, Kerrigan is like the Overmind and a Cerebrate combined, and a lot more mobile(I mean come on, hasnt anyone given a thought as to how the Overmind and the Cerebrates move from planet to planet? Just fascinating thinking about how those big, sluggish things move around. Also, funny fact, Cerebrates look like sea cucumbers ) AND a lot more beatiful. Luv dat hair <3
Also, Blizzard does not reveal any kind of information about endings FIRST! That essentially ruins the setup. Blizzard does not make games by this decree: They do things from the ground up, not the other way around. This fact is enough to convince me that this *leaked* ending is either a fanmade video with voice acting made by someone SIMILAR to the true voice actors, a scrapped ending that was thrown away, then released for the fun of it, or its just a fake clip Bliz sent to make us think what would happen with this kind of ending and then they will wow us with another ending that makes more sense. Also, i dont wanna watch that clip, and i wont. Its one of these things, for sure.
Just my 2 cents.
Don't forget that SC2 was changed to basically 3 games close to release. If Blizzard was planning to release it as one game, they've obviously come a long way in the story. Also "The third floor" did CG to WoL, I doubt they would put out a fake video. There is a possibility Blizzard will change the ending now if this is indeed the ending they had planned.
Anyways, imo, it was pretty lame though. Kind of interesting to find out who Mengsk was injecting the stuff into (Kerrigan?), how she reverted back to zerg, and some other stuff.
On December 12 2010 03:08 drlame wrote: Don't forget that SC2 was changed to basically 3 games close to release. If Blizzard was planning to release it as one game, they've obviously come a long way in the story. Also "The third floor" did CG to WoL, I doubt they would put out a fake video. There is a possibility Blizzard will change the ending now if this is indeed the ending they had planned.
Change the ending? Is that really wise? I was under the impression those cinematics take like... years to make. Could be wrong though.
Naw, they cant take that long, cuz if thats so, then Bliz would have taken WAAAY more time to make WoL than it took today! Even though they spent most of their time on WoW
Also, Bliz had spent already hundreds of millions on WoL, so i suppose they got enough money to throw on some fake cinematics. IMO, theyre messing with us.
On December 09 2010 23:43 nehl wrote: it doesnot fit the story of WoL at all. so it could either be a much earlier version of the story or a fake, what is possible as wel. i dont beleve it is the true ending. Edit: i feel like i have to explain why it doesnot fit the story of WoL: first, kerrigan is not human, so it has to be before WoL, but then Mengsk dies, so it has to be after WoL. paradox? it just does not fit, so it is not the end of HotS
Well they said way back that In HoTS the main charachter is Kerrigan and something about regaining/gaining power, and romours about rpg elemets.
So it's posible that at the begining of HoTS she is human, and at the end of the campaign she is back to being infestesed and at full strength. My personal bet is that instead of the lab and tech research points, you are upgrading Kerrigan in HoTS.
no it is not possible. i think i read that HotS plays before WoL, so mengsk cannot die. it simply is a fake.
i should applaud you at being so wrong in so few sentances.
On December 12 2010 03:08 drlame wrote: Don't forget that SC2 was changed to basically 3 games close to release. If Blizzard was planning to release it as one game, they've obviously come a long way in the story. Also "The third floor" did CG to WoL, I doubt they would put out a fake video. There is a possibility Blizzard will change the ending now if this is indeed the ending they had planned.
Change the ending? Is that really wise? I was under the impression those cinematics take like... years to make. Could be wrong though.
Not YEARS, but awhile. With a good team, maybe a month or two? I'm not a 3D Graphics design guru, so I'm not claiming to know much about it. I've only dabbled, and I can see that taking about a month to complete. With a whole team.
On December 12 2010 03:08 drlame wrote: Don't forget that SC2 was changed to basically 3 games close to release. If Blizzard was planning to release it as one game, they've obviously come a long way in the story. Also "The third floor" did CG to WoL, I doubt they would put out a fake video. There is a possibility Blizzard will change the ending now if this is indeed the ending they had planned.
Change the ending? Is that really wise? I was under the impression those cinematics take like... years to make. Could be wrong though.
Not YEARS, but awhile. With a good team, maybe a month or two? I'm not a 3D Graphics design guru, so I'm not claiming to know much about it. I've only dabbled, and I can see that taking about a month to complete. With a whole team.
But I dunno, they'd already have character models on file I suppose, so all they'd really need to do is the scene itself, which wouldn't be that difficult. Backgrounds are a LOT easier than character models, and then animating them isn't too difficult either. The modeling takes the longest I think.
EDIT : Shoot, meant to edit the ABOVE post with this posts info, sorry for the DP.
On December 12 2010 03:08 drlame wrote: Don't forget that SC2 was changed to basically 3 games close to release. If Blizzard was planning to release it as one game, they've obviously come a long way in the story. Also "The third floor" did CG to WoL, I doubt they would put out a fake video. There is a possibility Blizzard will change the ending now if this is indeed the ending they had planned.
Change the ending? Is that really wise? I was under the impression those cinematics take like... years to make. Could be wrong though.
Not YEARS, but awhile. With a good team, maybe a month or two? I'm not a 3D Graphics design guru, so I'm not claiming to know much about it. I've only dabbled, and I can see that taking about a month to complete. With a whole team.
But I dunno, they'd already have character models on file I suppose, so all they'd really need to do is the scene itself, which wouldn't be that difficult. Backgrounds are a LOT easier than character models, and then animating them isn't too difficult either. The modeling takes the longest I think.
EDIT : Shoot, meant to edit the ABOVE post with this posts info, sorry for the DP.
Also it's not like they don't have a year to remake it
On December 12 2010 02:57 Brother Roga wrote: Maybe Kerrigan will still be able to control the Zerg, even while in her human form..
Kerrigan was able to control the Zerg way before she was infested, and even before the events of Starcraft 1. In fact, she was so good at it, she was the sole survivor of the program while the Confederates killed the others (lesser Ghosts) to keep it a secret.
Kerrigan later participated in the xenomorph experiments at the Fujita Facility on Vyctor 5. The creatures were found to respond to telepathic commands when drugged and isolated.[4]
Arcturus Mengsk, leader of the recently-formed Sons of Korhal and son of Angus Mengsk, discovered Kerrigan was at Fujita through Umojan sources. He organized a raid on the facility to retrieve her, although the rebel soldiers were not told of Kerrigan's significance or presence. By this time Kerrigan was the only experimental subject left; the remainder, unable to elicit as strong a response from the xenomorphs, were killed to maintain secrecy.
To be fair, WoL's Ghost of Past trailer was awesome as well. The ambiance felt more serious, you could imagine Kerrigan as a fearsome vilain, even the dialogues seemed better. "About time we kicked this revolution into overdrive" felt much less cheesy in the trailer's situation.
It looks quite legit, but I hope now it has leaked, they will change it. Just to surprise all the people who've seen it. + Show Spoiler +
But if it's real, why did kerrigan kill mengsk alone, because in the first episode Jim Raynor was the one who wanted to take his revenge. I think Raynor should get his part in it.
But as always Blizzard will keep his mouth shut untill they release it. And then we'll all see
I really want to go to blizzcon next year and go to a Q&A and just say straight up that the writing in the recent games have just been plain horrible. I literally watched all of the Q&A from blizzcon for the sole reason to see someone question them about their writing. At least one guy at the D3 panel was like, dual crossbows? really? that made me happy.
Until the fans start bringing this to their doorstep (blizzcon) and make them look like fools they wont change their ways. its obvious blizz has realized they can sell just as many copies with a few bells and whistles rather than writing out an amazing story.
Someone posted a blizzcon panel question about kerrigens redemption/punishment. they said kerrigan will be punished for it, and that we dont know all thats going on in Hots, but its pretty evident that the punishment will be "have to die to save the swarm/kill mengsk". lame.
Yeah I'd have to say I'm about 99% sure this is real as well. Sounds like Metzen's crappy voiceovers and it looks like some of the previsualization work shown at blizzcons.
I really don't like this ending though. The zerg are supposed to be evil, rampaging, and out of control
please put spoiler tags in the OP where necessary. It only says "Leaked Heart of the Swarm" on the left side and people might come here to find a leaked copy or just some new info about single player, not spoilers about the ending.
On December 12 2010 06:26 Seth_ wrote: please put spoiler tags in the OP where necessary. It only says "Leaked Heart of the Swarm" on the left side and people might come here to find a leaked copy or just some new info about single player, not spoilers about the ending.
Really? Are you freaking kidding me?
Any combination of the words "leaked" and HOTS are BOUND to have spoilers galor. Its your own fault. AND the videos were in a LINK, so you didn't have to look at hte ending ANYWAYS.
image, wol wouldn't be out yet, you don't know the ending: and suddenly the "fire and fury" cinematic appears. The end of wol leaked, yay! (okay, raynor said there something about the queen of lades and blah, but except the dialogue, it could also be the end of wol (y, it's not prerendered, image it's released in a storyboard stadium. maybe this leaked hots cinematic is some kind of cinematic in the middle? id on't want this to be the end of hots =(
Man, I still don't get why the fuck you would dismiss a race literally made for war right before the final showdown against the Hybrids. Makes zero sense.
The ending is really epic at first, but if you stop and think about it, there's sooooo much bullshit in it. Letting the Zerg free both makes no sense and is a terrible idea, reinfesting Kerrigan makes no sense and is a terrible idea, etc, etc.
On December 12 2010 07:31 TheTuna wrote: Man, I still don't get why the fuck you would dismiss a race literally made for war right before the final showdown against the Hybrids. Makes zero sense.
The ending is really epic at first, but if you stop and think about it, there's sooooo much bullshit in it. Letting the Zerg free both makes no sense and is a terrible idea, reinfesting Kerrigan makes no sense and is a terrible idea, etc, etc.
Uhh... no. It wasn't epic to begin with, and still isn't. Ya that is only my opinion, but I think plenty of people would agree that right when they saw it they facepalmed.
On December 12 2010 05:52 yosata wrote: It looks quite legit, but I hope now it has leaked, they will change it. Just to surprise all the people who've seen it. + Show Spoiler +
But if it's real, why did kerrigan kill mengsk alone, because in the first episode Jim Raynor was the one who wanted to take his revenge. I think Raynor should get his part in it.
But as always Blizzard will keep his mouth shut untill they release it. And then we'll all see
Why killing Mengsk at all? In BW Kerrigan captured Mengsk once already and she didn't kill him back then. What caused all of the rage?
On December 12 2010 05:52 yosata wrote: It looks quite legit, but I hope now it has leaked, they will change it. Just to surprise all the people who've seen it. + Show Spoiler +
But if it's real, why did kerrigan kill mengsk alone, because in the first episode Jim Raynor was the one who wanted to take his revenge. I think Raynor should get his part in it.
But as always Blizzard will keep his mouth shut untill they release it. And then we'll all see
Why killing Mengsk at all? In BW Kerrigan captured Mengsk once already and she didn't kill him back then. What caused all of the rage?
this thread does a pretty good job of explaining that Brood War never happened in SC2 history
Most of BW was standalone and had no place in WoL. Except that Jim and Sarahs history kind of gave us a preconcieved notion that Jim would go into rage mode when meeting her again in WoL rather than leaving him acting kind of stunned and speechless.
Maybe the bargain that Kerrigan mentioned is helping to kill Mengsk and release the Zerg (since Mengsk still had the power to control Kerrigan .: the Zerg).
Releasing the Zerg just doesn't make any damn sense, though. It makes them basically Tyranids; a hive mind without any greater intelligence behind it that simply consumes everything in its path. They WILL attack, destroy, and absorb anything they run into out in the cosmos. Setting them free is loosing a scourge upon some unfortunate part of the galaxy.
Also, as I've wondered before, why would you release the race literally bred for war right before what is undoubtedly going to be an absolutely massive rumble between the good guys and the Hybrids? Having millions of expendable, unthinking hive-mind troops seems like it'd be a good asset to have around so, y'know, humans and protoss don't have to die in as great quantities; Lord knows Kerrigan's already caused enough of their deaths.
Futhermore, Kerrigan choosing to go through the ordeal of infestation again after the incredible suffering she has undergone simply isn't credible, especially as it is documented she still has the ability to control the Zerg in her human form. It was removing the limiter, not infestation, that greatly, greatly boosted her psychic abilities.
Yeah, that's the one other incredibly glaring discrepancy with this ending.
If the Zerg vanish, if they leave, they are gone from the K-Sector. Left. Finished. One of the three main races from Starcraft isn't in the storyline anymore; they wouldn't appear in Legacy of the Void at all.
Apparently Wings of Liberty completely disregards the events of Broodwar. This explains the inconsistency of characters and why they didn't recap the events of Broodwar in the installation voice over.
On December 12 2010 19:30 Zzoram wrote: Apparently Wings of Liberty completely disregards the events of Broodwar. This explains the inconsistency of characters and why they didn't recap the events of Broodwar in the installation voice over.
The manual has all of the details covered? You don't think new people would be wondering why the voice over would mention the UED and not see anything relevant to them in the campaign?
On December 12 2010 21:20 darmousseh wrote: If starcraft was made into a real life action movie would megan fox play kerrigan? Or would it be Felicia Day?
Ugh, this is so terrible. What has gone wrong with blizzard's storytelling. Starcraft 1 was absolutely great. Brood war was passable. Warcraft 3 - WoW... at least they pulled it long enough.
But Wings of Liberty... and now this. What the FUCK? It is so fucking corny and sappy that it detracts from the game itself. UGH Watching it left a real bad taste in my mouth.
What happens in this video? Kerrigan Dies (SC2 WoL cutscene previs with original superior voice actress): http://vimeo.com/14564550 - ActiBlizzard nuked
I can't find it anywhere, anyone knows where to find it?
My point about WC3's Orcs is that their change was a business decision, not a story-telling one, and that it clearly marks the shift from the Blizzard that wanted to create engrossing storylines and interesting fiction worlds to the Blizzard who's only concerned in doing what makes the most money, quality be damned.
SC2 is so blatant and shameless in this regard that it isn't even funny. The made-for-8-year-olds story, the retconning to make things dumber and more "accessible", the overwrought dramatic music, the super corny dialog, the pointless character interaction.
Creatively speaking, Blizzard's dead. A zombie, still walking and talking, but dead inside.
On December 13 2010 04:22 ghostunit wrote: The made-for-8-year-olds story, the retconning to make things dumber and more "accessible", the overwrought dramatic music, the super corny dialog,
well this is exactly what people want to see the dramatic music, the dialogs, it doesnot make a story goot, but it makes the feeling you get while playing, so i like it. of cause the story is not the best, but i can oversee it even because the music is that good and the cinematics are so beautiful to watch
The date on the video is from April of 2009. At Blizzcon 2010 the devs said the zerg are not a "misunderstood" race, but are beasts. This video contradicts what they said in 2010. That is Chris Metzen's voice, so the source material is legit, but I hope that it's just a scrapped idea. If this is the end to Heart of the Swarm I will feel betrayed. Please Blizzard, don't ride the legacy of BW and the cash flow of WoW to be lazy with your stories. We have suffered enough from George Lucas.
On December 13 2010 06:59 Clutch8 wrote: The date on the video is from April of 2009. At Blizzcon 2010 the devs said the zerg are not a "misunderstood" race, but are beasts. This video contradicts what they said in 2010. That is Chris Metzen's voice, so the source material is legit, but I hope that it's just a scrapped idea. If this is the end to Heart of the Swarm I will feel betrayed. Please Blizzard, don't ride the legacy of BW and the cash flow of WoW to be lazy with your stories. We have suffered enough from George Lucas.
Agreed, Starcraft was the most amazing storyline, the twisted plot. So amazing. Dont throw away the great storyline, and bring back some real character back.
On December 13 2010 02:04 butabara wrote: What happens in this video? Kerrigan Dies (SC2 WoL cutscene previs with original superior voice actress): http://vimeo.com/14564550 - ActiBlizzard nuked
I can't find it anywhere, anyone knows where to find it?
I don't have a link to the video, but I saw it. The video was a rough draft of a cutscene that appeared in Wings of Liberty (same format as the leak) which showed Sarah Kerrigan's last stand when Mengsk abandoned her in SC1.
Even Blizzard should know that some random 'I win button' (I mean come on...) that magicly subdues Kerrigan just as she appears in his office is a load of bull. Not even talking about the fact that her mental abilities alone could force Mengsk through mind control (Raszagal anyone?) to hang himself upside down by his underwear whilst making him choke on his 'I-win button'. Raynor coming to her rescue (whatever happened to the Kerrigan that could likely vaporize a building with a single thought?) is too cliché as well.
That Kerrigan got an implant as a Ghost to keep her in check (especially given her abilities) is feasible, but that the implant magicly remained untouched when she got infested and when she removed her ghost conditioning is silly. If she can manipulate/evolve the Zerg she can easily manage to remove an implant from herself.
Kerrigan reinfested has been circling around for a while. Zeratul's vision made it pretty clear that the Zerg without Kerrigan's control will fall under the Hybrid's control, killing everything. It's possible that in HotS they learn that Kerrigan can only prevent that by reinfestation, but keeping her sanity this time. (if she actually lost it the first time) Also, the Zerg killed like 70% of the population of Aiur when they had no leader, I highly doubt it'll be much different in HotS. Possibly the first few missions in HotS will deal with that.
Possible scenario: First mission: Get deinfested Kerrigan to safety. Second mission: Mengsk pissed, (some of the) Dominion troops turn/try to kill Kerrigan. Third mission: Zerg go on a rampage without their leader (insert shock/gasp). Further missions: Try to figure out why/how/what to do, may include Zeratul. After that: Only way to prevent Hybrids from taking control is to reinfest Kerrigan. End mission: Fight off either some Hybrid attempt or a final act from Mengsk with Kerrigan's Zerg.
In any case, it feels too cheesy/obvious to be the real ending of the HotS, but close enough to be done by Blizzard.
If anyone haven't seen it yet, here it is. http://kotaku.com/5709838/ending-leaked-for-starcraft-iis-next-chapter But how is it Glynnis? It's clearly the blonde actress, forgot her name. And I want to talk about the cutscene. When in the timeline is this happening? I'm assuming at the end of HotS. So why the hell Mengsk wouldn't use the "chip" - which I think it's god damn moronic plot in the first place - to stop her before? He HAD plenty of chances. Even if he did "install it" in her body, wouldn't it be removed some way while she was being infested? Wasn't her whole body transformed during the change in chrysalis? Wasn't she a god damn psychic capable of controlling billions of zerg? GOD DAMN BILLIONS? And she missed a major surgery when they implanted her with some kind of control device? Uh... yea...... Another thing. Don't make the zerg a misunderstood race. All of a sudden they are good or something? Out of consuming entire planets and destroying whole armies? Yeah, nice plot turn. Excellent cliffhanger. Haven't seen that before. Don't you people get that 90% of fan base here don't want that to happen? They want evil Kerrigan, plotting and screwing people over. And in the end Raynor killing her for the greater good with ONLY ONE oneliner in the entire campaign. Not cheesy dialogs written all over terran one. I'm tired, blizzard. I'm tired of your lack of attention to details when it comes to single player. Make something original. Not another hollywood-esque movie with sugar on top.
Even Blizzard should know that some random 'I win button' (I mean come on...) that magicly subdues Kerrigan just as she appears in his office is a load of bull.
That Kerrigan got an implant as a Ghost to keep her in check (especially given her abilities) is feasible, but that the implant magicly remained untouched when she got infested and when she removed her ghost conditioning is silly. If she can manipulate/evolve the Zerg she can easily manage to remove an implant from herself.
Kerrigan reinfested has been circling around for a while. Zeratul's vision made it pretty clear that the Zerg without Kerrigan's control will fall under the Hybrid's control, killing everything. It's possible that in HotS they learn that Kerrigan can only prevent that by reinfestation, but keeping her sanity this time. (if she actually lost it the first time) Also, the Zerg killed like 70% of the population of Aiur when they had no leader, I highly doubt it'll be much different in HotS. Possibly the first few missions in HotS will deal with that.
Actually when I saw Kerrigan being turned into human again - my first thought was that she planned it all from the start, seeing as she wanted the artifact herself, too. Anyway, I knew she will be infested again, one way or another.
In any case, it feels too cheesy/obvious to be the real ending of the HotS, but close enough to be done by Blizzard.
Exactly that annoys me. Blizz was once major player when it comes to script writing. Now it's mediocrity at it's best. Cheesy one liners on a not so well executed story with one dimentional characters spiced up with darth vader-like evil character. .... blah.
Why are people assuming that infested Kerrigan has a head implant? Can't it be explained as some sort of scientific remote connection between barcode kerrigan and infested kerrigan somehow?
That ending sucks in a George Lucas' prequels kind of way, you know.. something like: "so lame, so cheesy, so that doesn't make any fucking sense, stop crapping all over the original awesome storyline I watched in my childhood =(".
She uses a significantly weaker version of Force Wave in that video ( at least 100x weaker than windu taking out 50000 droids in one move )
yet she could pull down capital ships ( 550m+ ) from the sky ( Galen does this to a 1600meter+ ship ) And uh... in the story, she could conjure massive psionic storms similar to palpatine in the books...
couldn't she just destroy the building that mengsk was in without even touching him...?
I've seen nothing in the SC games or books which suggest a correlation between gameplay mechanics and established lore before the leak, therefore I see no reason why the leak should be an exception to the rule.
On December 14 2010 00:36 nalgene wrote: couldn't she just destroy the building that mengsk was in without even touching him...?
SCVs would just repair it, and since multi-player patches don't affect single player the SCVs wouldn't have priority targeting. Kerrigan doesn't have the micro to handle that.
I'm never buying a Blizzard game again, story is too important for me in a video game to just look past this. They fucked SC2 up and if they'll ever make a Warcraft 4 they'll just fuck that story up as well, so I have nothing to look forward to when it comes to Blizzard games. Somebody organize a Blizzard boycott please.
On December 14 2010 04:36 DoctorPhil wrote: I'm never buying a Blizzard game again, story is too important for me in a video game to just look past this. They fucked SC2 up and if they'll ever make a Warcraft 4 they'll just fuck that story up as well, so I have nothing to look forward to when it comes to Blizzard games. Somebody organize a Blizzard boycott please.
What, you don't like the multiplayer aspect of Starcraft at all? Interesting. I wasn't aware there were people like that on TL.
Don't forget Warcraft 3 if you're going to talk about bad stories. And Brood War. And the original vanilla Starcraft. We might look at them with eyes filled with nostalgia, but the stories really weren't that great. Sure, they're a lot worse nowadays, but you can't really argue that they were ever any good.
Sure, the multiplayer is great (so is the single player gameplay). My tastes recently changed though, I'm no longer interested in multiplayer that much because it never ends, I'd personally rather use that time to enjoy other different games, rather than the same thing all the time. Of course that's just me (being a part of a very small minority here). A game without a good story but with good gameplay is fun of course, but never memorable.
I thought WC3 had a teriffic story and awesome characters, though I never played the earlyer WCs and thus was never aware of the lore butchery and retcons. I was also very young when I played it so it could've been nostalgia. However I first played Starcraft when I was a lot older, 17, so there's no nostalgia there, yet I still love vanilla Starcraft's story. But truthfully BW wasn't quite as good, if only because of the Zerg turning into Kerrigan's bitch and all the others suffering from acute mental retardation. Firstly, Dugalle killing his childhood friend Alexei just because Duran said he was infested. He doesn't even question this for one second? Why the hell does he trust Duran over Alexei? Also, everyone trusting the potentially evil as fuck Kerrigan.
But anyway, vanilla Starcraft was great, BW and WC3 were passable, SC2 is a joke. (story-wise)
On December 14 2010 05:19 DoctorPhil wrote: Sure, the multiplayer is great (so is the single player gameplay). My tastes recently changed though, I'm no longer interested in multiplayer that much because it never ends, I'd personally rather use that time to enjoy other different games, rather than the same thing all the time. Of course that's just me (being a part of a very small minority here). A game without a good story but with good gameplay is fun of course, but never memorable.
Yeah, guys, try to not implement single - multi relation here. You have another topics for that. Multi is great for some, single is great for some. This is clearly subject for praising and/or bashing the single player experience. Can we leave it at that, please?
On December 14 2010 05:19 DoctorPhil wrote: Sure, the multiplayer is great (so is the single player gameplay). My tastes recently changed though, I'm no longer interested in multiplayer that much because it never ends, I'd personally rather use that time to enjoy other different games, rather than the same thing all the time. Of course that's just me (being a part of a very small minority here). A game without a good story but with good gameplay is fun of course, but never memorable.
I thought WC3 had a teriffic story and awesome characters, though I never played the earlyer WCs and thus was never aware of the lore butchery and retcons. I was also very young when I played it so it could've been nostalgia. However I first played Starcraft when I was a lot older, 17, so there's no nostalgia there, yet I still love vanilla Starcraft's story. But truthfully BW wasn't quite as good, if only because of the Zerg turning into Kerrigan's bitch and all the others suffering from acute mental retardation. Firstly, Dugalle killing his childhood friend Alexei just because Duran said he was infested. He doesn't even question this for one second? Why the hell does he trust Duran over Alexei? Also, everyone trusting the potentially evil as fuck Kerrigan.
But anyway, vanilla Starcraft was great, BW and WC3 were passable, SC2 is a joke. (story-wise)
Wouldn't it be great if SC2 was a joke from blizzard? "Oh, hey guys, we actually kept the real SC2 game and campaign hidden for a year just for kicks. What you've been playing was something this 10 year-old kid wrote up. Here, have the real game now. You've deserved it."
I can agree with the rest of your post. I did enjoy the vanilla SC plot, although I still think that it was pretty unoriginal at times.
Was anyone here a huge fan of StarWars when it was just episodes 4,5, and 6? Anyone else remember being mega, super excited for episode 1? Then after you watched it you made yourself believe it was good but deep down you knew it paled in comparison. I'm getting this same feeling with StarCraft and even though George took some of the concerns with episode 1 and applied them to the remaining 2 movies they were still nowhere near the awesomeness they should have been. I feel like StarCraft's next installment is going to be very similar.
During a blizzcon Q&A fans shared concerns with the panel and they assured everyone that the story was going to develop and be super kick-ass.(paraphrased of course)
Then there is this post by Nethaera on a lengthy b.net thread voicing story shortcoming concerns. She assures us that, "Blizzard writers are aware of your concerns and criticisms that are being aired here in the forums. Rest assured, they see all of it, and take all of it very seriously." The full post can be found here.
I really hope this cut-scene is outdated. Weather its final or not, only blizzard knows and it's set in stone. (because full cinematics take a really long time to make and are often done long before the game is, assuming this is a full cinematic.)
if this is indeed the real deal and now that blizzard knows that it's been leaked to the public, how funny/infuriating it'd be if blizzard actually releases hots with this exact same ending
On December 14 2010 13:45 Billy_ wrote: Stop comparing starwars to starcraft. It is a terrible analogy and the originals of SW were always way better than the originals of SC.
And the leak predates WoL by about a year, so...
I'm not comparing StarWars to StarCraft, I'm comparing the failures storytelling and how it is similar in both cases. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that point, hopefully that will help ^_^
On December 09 2010 09:17 Fargoth wrote: I'm more inclined to think this was a possibility for the WoL storyline and in the end, was scrapped. I could also be completely wrong and it really is the ending for HoTS.
Doubtful. WoL was Raynor's campaign, it wouldn't make sense for the final showdown to be Kerrigan vs Mengsk.
we can atleast hope Blizzard USED to be great at creating storylines
Then they created WoW, and screwed up their storymaking
I don't understand why people think Activision ruined Blizzard's storytelling. I seriously don't think SC, WC1/2/3, or Diablo 1/2 are any better than SC2. WC3 was actually cringe worthy and I couldn't even get through the cutscenes so I think SC2 is better. They are all pretty damn lame and predictable. Yeah I was more into SC1's story at the time, I was also 15.
i just hope blizzard dont make the 3 races vs hybrid=_= we had that in war3 so please dont do it again. it will make HotS so lame. give us a badass storyline!!!
On December 16 2010 06:42 Treemonkeys wrote: I don't understand why people think Activision ruined Blizzard's storytelling. I seriously don't think SC, WC1/2/3, or Diablo 1/2 are any better than SC2. WC3 was actually cringe worthy and I couldn't even get through the cutscenes so I think SC2 is better. They are all pretty damn lame and predictable. Yeah I was more into SC1's story at the time, I was also 15.
OH GOD
so much good
sometimes i really find someone having a spark of sense in them, it makes me really happy. Thank you for existing Treemonkeys
Kerrigan Dies (SC2 WoL cutscene previs with original superior voice actress): http://vimeo.com/14564550 - ActiBlizzard nuked
Kerrigan Dies is almost identical to what ended up in Wings of Liberty, except for the change of voice actress, so Kerrigan Arrives might be pretty close to what we end up getting for Heart of the Swarm.
The company that made this video is apparently listed in the credits of Wings of Liberty.
Where can I find this one? I'm more curious about it
We, are the swarm We burned a path of annihilation across the stars And then, we vanished 4 years ago we faded into the shadows We thrived. We evolved Now the time has come for us to step back, into the light
Now, worlds will tremble once again Empires will fall Alliances will shatter
We, are the swarm But we are becoming, much, much more For the final metamorphosis has only just begun
And then... none of that happened. She Scooby-Dooed it up but would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that rotten Raynor!
On December 16 2010 06:42 Treemonkeys wrote: I don't understand why people think Activision ruined Blizzard's storytelling. I seriously don't think SC, WC1/2/3, or Diablo 1/2 are any better than SC2. WC3 was actually cringe worthy and I couldn't even get through the cutscenes so I think SC2 is better. They are all pretty damn lame and predictable. Yeah I was more into SC1's story at the time, I was also 15.
Mm, I honestly think the SC1 campaign is a good deal less cheesy, even if one big reason is that they didnt have the ability to make the kind of game they made now.
The WC3 storyline felt fine to me - lots of standard fantasy stuff. The SC2 storyline is just... I dont know, the storyline is fine, its just presented in such a terrible way.
When we were all 13 and playing sc1, we had less expectations for stories and complexities. Now that we're older, we have a quaint nostalgia for sc1 and dislike the 'cheesiness' of the sc2 plot.
Really none of the blizzard stories are great, but that's okay... the campaign will still be fun.
On December 16 2010 06:42 Treemonkeys wrote: I don't understand why people think Activision ruined Blizzard's storytelling. I seriously don't think SC, WC1/2/3, or Diablo 1/2 are any better than SC2. WC3 was actually cringe worthy and I couldn't even get through the cutscenes so I think SC2 is better. They are all pretty damn lame and predictable. Yeah I was more into SC1's story at the time, I was also 15.
Mm, I honestly think the SC1 campaign is a good deal less cheesy, even if one big reason is that they didnt have the ability to make the kind of game they made now.
The WC3 storyline felt fine to me - lots of standard fantasy stuff. The SC2 storyline is just... I dont know, the storyline is fine, its just presented in such a terrible way.
im pretty sure halfway through they forgot they were making a science fiction game as opposed to a fantasy game.
On December 18 2010 06:10 FirstPanzerDiv wrote: When we were all 13 and playing sc1, we had less expectations for stories and complexities. Now that we're older, we have a quaint nostalgia for sc1 and dislike the 'cheesiness' of the sc2 plot.
Really none of the blizzard stories are great, but that's okay... the campaign will still be fun.
Can't speak for anyone else, but personally, even if this game wasn't related at all to SC1, I would still have found it just as cheesy and terribly executed. I probably wouldn't have cared as much though, since lots of games nowadays tend to skimp on the story side. But this is Blizz, and I've come to expect more, especially after they've had so much time and money to throw at this sequel.
And people that dislike all of Blizzard's stories are just on a different brain wave than me. I've always felt they've delivered great (if not that original) stories. To each their own I guess.
On December 18 2010 06:10 FirstPanzerDiv wrote: When we were all 13 and playing sc1, we had less expectations for stories and complexities. Now that we're older, we have a quaint nostalgia for sc1 and dislike the 'cheesiness' of the sc2 plot.
Really none of the blizzard stories are great, but that's okay... the campaign will still be fun.
People need to stop saying this. It's not that the older games had amazing stories - it's the fact that WoL's story was not only terrible, but more importantly the delivery (script, voice acting), was terrible as well.
The difference between a complainer and a critic is reasoning. Mind you that I'm only asking because of curiosity and I no longer care enough for the series to reply in essay length detail.
On December 18 2010 06:10 FirstPanzerDiv wrote: When we were all 13 and playing sc1, we had less expectations for stories and complexities. Now that we're older, we have a quaint nostalgia for sc1 and dislike the 'cheesiness' of the sc2 plot.
Really none of the blizzard stories are great, but that's okay... the campaign will still be fun.
Eh, Ive replayed the SC1 and WC3 campaigns several times and they just do not have any moments that are as cringe worthy as, for instance, the random bar fight between Tychus and Raynor, nor is the plot so completely disconnected from itself (you learn Tychus has a bomb strapped to himself halfway through the campaign, and yet do nothing whatsoever about it? the Hansen/Hanson whatever sideplot has no consequences at all etc).
As I said before, I guess the fact that SC2 looks so damn good now leads to higher expectations in the storyteling - theres way less room to make complete cheese when its a bunch of talking heads in a briefing room. And for WC3, well, its fantasy so even tho things get cheesy at times it fits better IMO, and its not the same kind of cheese either.
oh my... contrast this to what Valve have been doing since HL2, especially with regards to story and dialogue. Blizzard seriously needs to hire some new talent.
I would really put HL2 as an example of storytelling, the game has an AMAZING ambientation, but in regards to storytelling theres not much to be found, is just that the pace an ambientation make up really well for the "lack" of plot.
On December 18 2010 16:05 skindzer wrote: I would really put HL2 as an example of storytelling, the game has an AMAZING ambientation, but in regards to storytelling theres not much to be found, is just that the pace an ambientation make up really well for the "lack" of plot.
hl2 uses ambient story telling. theres actually a huge storyline there. you just have to open your eyes and see it.
the game doesn't throw the entire story at you in narrative/huge cutscenes. you're supposed to discover it yourself.
"Tell me Freeman, you have destroyed so much... what exactly is that you think youve created?" (I probably butchered the hell out of the quote just now) Much <3 for Doc Breen. It is a pity that HL hasn't had a decent antagonist since his death, and I'm hoping for Glados to cross over from the portal series to take Breens place. I know what the wiki said about the timeline of Glados making it impossible, but bringing Glados into HL would be totally worth the retconning imo.
On December 18 2010 19:45 nihoh wrote: COD4 Storytelling should be something BLizzard tries to follow.
Wait, what?
You can't just say that Blizzard should follow a dumb FPS game when they are making an RTS. >_<
If CoD4 is the equivalent of a relatively dumb but very well-made action movie (which I think it is), then SC2 is the equivalent of a half-assed Disney movie (and SC is the equivalent of a medium-budget sci-fi).
I do think SC had a better story overall, but I also think that this isn't what makes SC2 horrible. It's simply the execution. Almost every line of dialogue in SC2 made me cringe.
Maybe I'm completely off here, but aren't the writers of SC2 just native Blizzard people who never actually learned how to write stuff? Wikipedia says Chris Metzen is the writer, but from his career it seems that he has a background in graphics design. This could explain why the story and dialogues of SC2 look like they were written by an enthusiastic high-schooler: the writer does have the writing qualifications of an enthusiastic high-schooler. In my opinion they should hire some outside talent to try and salvage what's left of the SC universe, before it irreversibly turns into World of Disneycraft.
On December 18 2010 12:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: As I said before, I guess the fact that SC2 looks so damn good now leads to higher expectations in the storyteling - theres way less room to make complete cheese when its a bunch of talking heads in a briefing room.
While it's true that SC1 had a more appropriate way of delivering the story (dialogue in the briefing room), I think it also did a better job with the cutscenes as well.
In SC2 the cutscenes are just ridiculous... there's one where mutalisks are flying through space, because Blizz decided they needed to shoehorn in an "epic" space battle, than there's that other one where Jim and Tychus *appear* on Valarian's capital ship (how they boarded it, we'll never know...) with opera music playing and not one but twocliched close-ups of the grenade Raynor throws. And you of course already mentioned the random bar fight.
The cutscenes in SC2 were done in bad taste. SC1's were much better, and not because they had lower expectations, but because they were better thought out and directed. Take this one for example, it's probably the most linked SC cutscene, but w/e, it deserves to be it's just that awesome:Awesome Cutscene!!!
If SC2 had just remade SC1's cutscenes with better graphics, I'd be happy. Sadly we got the Frankenstein monster created by Chris Metzen himself. sigh.
Wait, how could Arcturus have a shocker thing implanted by Kerrigan? There's a mission in sc1 where Kerrigan removes all the neural blockage that was implanted in her when she was a ghost. You're telling me they didn't remove a lethal failsafe mechanism??
And actually, why didn't arcturus use this at the end of the brood war campaign? Arcturus clearly wanted her dead, and now we learn that this could have easily happened? Or hell, even during the WoL campaign. Why would Tychus be involved at all if Arcturus had a failsafe!? And why would Arcturus implant a failsafe into Kerrigan??! She's was a ghost, so she had neural thingies to make her more obedient already!!
No, I don't like this. This just adds more plotholes. And yet, it doesn't actually seem to affect the story (as raynor comes in immediately anyway). Why did they add more plotholes for no narrative reason???!! I DON"T UNDERSTAND!!!
I like chris metzen. He very skilled at his job, and he is responsible for tons of the creative department over at Blizzard. So why is he making this so haaard???
On December 18 2010 12:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: As I said before, I guess the fact that SC2 looks so damn good now leads to higher expectations in the storyteling - theres way less room to make complete cheese when its a bunch of talking heads in a briefing room.
While it's true that SC1 had a more appropriate way of delivering the story (dialogue in the briefing room), I think it also did a better job with the cutscenes as well. In SC2 the cutscenes are just ridiculous... there's one where mutalisks are flying through space, because Blizz decided they needed to shoehorn in an "epic" space battle, than there's that other one where Jim and Tychus *appear* on Valarian's capital ship (how they boarded it, we'll never know...) with opera music playing and not one but twocliched close-ups of the grenade Raynor throws. And you of course already mentioned the random bar fight.
The cutscenes in SC2 were done in bad taste. SC1's were much better, and not because they had lower expectations, but because they were better thought out and directed. Take this one for example, it's probably the most linked SC cutscene, but w/e, it deserves to be it's just that awesome:Awesome Cutscene!!!
If SC2 had just remade SC1's cutscenes with better graphics, I'd be happy. Sadly we got the Frankenstein monster created by Chris Metzen himself. sigh.
You seem to get irritated quite easily. Did it annoy that mutilisks were "flapping through space" over the oribital platforms in SC1 too? If not, well congratulations... Your standards have clearly gone up since then. Can't imagine someone as logic focused as you enjoying BW.
Edit: There were at least a dozen unanswered questions about the UED, and it's hard to imagine any satisfactory answers for their arrival in the BW sector. Just found a nice long essay describing these shortcomings in detail and supported them with some solid reasons, but I wouldn't want to spoil your fun by pointing them out to you.
Blizzard should do a reverse story-line campaign for HOTS. No one said the intro was leaked right? The campaign should play out like Memento, you see the ending first, and play missions in reverse order to find out how you got to that ending. Would be neat.
On December 18 2010 12:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: As I said before, I guess the fact that SC2 looks so damn good now leads to higher expectations in the storyteling - theres way less room to make complete cheese when its a bunch of talking heads in a briefing room.
While it's true that SC1 had a more appropriate way of delivering the story (dialogue in the briefing room), I think it also did a better job with the cutscenes as well. In SC2 the cutscenes are just ridiculous... there's one where mutalisks are flying through space, because Blizz decided they needed to shoehorn in an "epic" space battle, than there's that other one where Jim and Tychus *appear* on Valarian's capital ship (how they boarded it, we'll never know...) with opera music playing and not one but twocliched close-ups of the grenade Raynor throws. And you of course already mentioned the random bar fight.
The cutscenes in SC2 were done in bad taste. SC1's were much better, and not because they had lower expectations, but because they were better thought out and directed. Take this one for example, it's probably the most linked SC cutscene, but w/e, it deserves to be it's just that awesome:Awesome Cutscene!!!
If SC2 had just remade SC1's cutscenes with better graphics, I'd be happy. Sadly we got the Frankenstein monster created by Chris Metzen himself. sigh.
You seem to get irritated quite easily. Did it annoy that mutilisks were "flapping through space" over the oribital platforms in SC1 too? If not, well congratulations... Your standards have clearly gone up since then.
Edit: and don't even get me started on the huge list of logistical shortcomings of BW. Just found a nice long essay describing these shortcomings in detail and supported them with some solid reasons, but I wouldn't want to spoil your fun by pointing them out to you.
Billy whenever I make a post about my dissatisfaction w/ SC2's "story" you always reply asking if I'm mad, and then allege that you wrote some essay about SC1's alleded flaws. Well that hypothetical essay doesn't matter to me, all I know is that while playing SC2 mutalisks were flying through deep space in a cutscene. If you think it's cool or epic to see that, that's your prerogative, as for me I think it's an insult to my intelligence and a cheap excuse for blizz to add a space battle cutscene.
You think SC1 had the same thing? I don't, the orbital platforms in SC1 were just that: in orbit, they were not in deep space. Furthermore that example happened in-game, not in a cutscene, things in-game are expected to be abstract. And lastly, I don't believe there was ever a story mission in SC1 where you fought zerg on a space platform - I remember stealing the Dominion's battlecruisers, destroying Mengsk's nuclear silo's, capturing the Confederacy's space station, but I do not ever recall engaging the zerg on an orbital platform.
On December 09 2010 10:49 Jibba wrote: Chris Metzen is the Stephanie Meyers of video games.
What's next, a dwarf shaman?
I think it's even worse when you consider his early work. Look through the elaborate Warcraft II manual, the art and story are so intricately dark and morose.
If you think it's cool or epic to see that, that's your prerogative
I didn't, and this has nothing to do with what I think of WoL SC has always been terrible at logic. If you only just realised that now with WoL, then try going back to BW and keep a keen eye on all of the details. Pay special attention to the final few missions of the UED and toss parts. You forgot that kerrigan defended the Protoss from the Zerg on the platform over Tarsonis
There is a bare-minimum that a story/plot has to be at to be respectable. They can raise the bar for graphics, audio, cinematics, gameplay, features, and extras all they want but the story still has to be at that baseline or higher. The fact is: WoL was beneath that line.
Sure, it would have been nice if after 12 years it was way, way above that line but they couldn't even make a respectable showing of it. Add in the non-linear elements, the pointless side missions with zero consequences, and ruining or retcon-ing SC1/BW to do it and the players have every right to give a "What the fuck?" response to WoL, and follow it up with a "Jesus fucking christ" to their announcement they had no planning and will play it by ear for HotS and Legacy of the Void.
The story for all 3 should have been the first thing done, multi-player unit planning (again for all 3) should have been a close second. Then the game should have been built around that. The serious disconnect between single<->multi player units for WoL alone does not bode well for the future. Medics, firebats, vultures, goliaths, diamondbacks, wraiths, science vessels, oh my.
On December 18 2010 12:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: As I said before, I guess the fact that SC2 looks so damn good now leads to higher expectations in the storyteling - theres way less room to make complete cheese when its a bunch of talking heads in a briefing room.
While it's true that SC1 had a more appropriate way of delivering the story (dialogue in the briefing room), I think it also did a better job with the cutscenes as well. In SC2 the cutscenes are just ridiculous... there's one where mutalisks are flying through space, because Blizz decided they needed to shoehorn in an "epic" space battle, than there's that other one where Jim and Tychus *appear* on Valarian's capital ship (how they boarded it, we'll never know...) with opera music playing and not one but twocliched close-ups of the grenade Raynor throws. And you of course already mentioned the random bar fight.
The cutscenes in SC2 were done in bad taste. SC1's were much better, and not because they had lower expectations, but because they were better thought out and directed. Take this one for example, it's probably the most linked SC cutscene, but w/e, it deserves to be it's just that awesome:Awesome Cutscene!!!
If SC2 had just remade SC1's cutscenes with better graphics, I'd be happy. Sadly we got the Frankenstein monster created by Chris Metzen himself. sigh.
You seem to get irritated quite easily. Did it annoy that mutilisks were "flapping through space" over the oribital platforms in SC1 too? If not, well congratulations... Your standards have clearly gone up since then.
Edit: and don't even get me started on the huge list of logistical shortcomings of BW. Just found a nice long essay describing these shortcomings in detail and supported them with some solid reasons, but I wouldn't want to spoil your fun by pointing them out to you.
Billy whenever I make a post about my dissatisfaction w/ SC2's "story" you always reply asking if I'm mad, and then allege that you wrote some essay about SC1's alleded flaws. Well that hypothetical essay doesn't matter to me, all I know is that while playing SC2 mutalisks were flying through deep space in a cutscene. If you think it's cool or epic to see that, that's your prerogative, as for me I think it's an insult to my intelligence and a cheap excuse for blizz to add a space battle cutscene.
You think SC1 had the same thing? I don't, the orbital platforms in SC1 were just that: in orbit, they were not in deep space. Furthermore that example happened in-game, not in a cutscene, things in-game are expected to be abstract. And lastly, I don't believe there was ever a story mission in SC1 where you fought zerg on a space platform - I remember stealing the Dominion's battlecruisers, destroying Mengsk's nuclear silo's, capturing the Confederacy's space station, but I do not ever recall engaging the zerg on an orbital platform.
Start at about 5.20.
And the very last mission of Brood Way, Omega.
I agree with you, the story was terrible, I'm just pointing out that "Mutalisks in space" has been an issue for the past 12 years.
On December 18 2010 12:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: As I said before, I guess the fact that SC2 looks so damn good now leads to higher expectations in the storyteling - theres way less room to make complete cheese when its a bunch of talking heads in a briefing room.
While it's true that SC1 had a more appropriate way of delivering the story (dialogue in the briefing room), I think it also did a better job with the cutscenes as well. In SC2 the cutscenes are just ridiculous... there's one where mutalisks are flying through space, because Blizz decided they needed to shoehorn in an "epic" space battle, than there's that other one where Jim and Tychus *appear* on Valarian's capital ship (how they boarded it, we'll never know...) with opera music playing and not one but twocliched close-ups of the grenade Raynor throws. And you of course already mentioned the random bar fight.
The cutscenes in SC2 were done in bad taste. SC1's were much better, and not because they had lower expectations, but because they were better thought out and directed. Take this one for example, it's probably the most linked SC cutscene, but w/e, it deserves to be it's just that awesome:Awesome Cutscene!!!
If SC2 had just remade SC1's cutscenes with better graphics, I'd be happy. Sadly we got the Frankenstein monster created by Chris Metzen himself. sigh.
You seem to get irritated quite easily. Did it annoy that mutilisks were "flapping through space" over the oribital platforms in SC1 too? If not, well congratulations... Your standards have clearly gone up since then.
Edit: and don't even get me started on the huge list of logistical shortcomings of BW. Just found a nice long essay describing these shortcomings in detail and supported them with some solid reasons, but I wouldn't want to spoil your fun by pointing them out to you.
Billy whenever I make a post about my dissatisfaction w/ SC2's "story" you always reply asking if I'm mad, and then allege that you wrote some essay about SC1's alleded flaws. Well that hypothetical essay doesn't matter to me, all I know is that while playing SC2 mutalisks were flying through deep space in a cutscene. If you think it's cool or epic to see that, that's your prerogative, as for me I think it's an insult to my intelligence and a cheap excuse for blizz to add a space battle cutscene.
You think SC1 had the same thing? I don't, the orbital platforms in SC1 were just that: in orbit, they were not in deep space. Furthermore that example happened in-game, not in a cutscene, things in-game are expected to be abstract. And lastly, I don't believe there was ever a story mission in SC1 where you fought zerg on a space platform - I remember stealing the Dominion's battlecruisers, destroying Mengsk's nuclear silo's, capturing the Confederacy's space station, but I do not ever recall engaging the zerg on an orbital platform.
Remember how Bobby Kotick wants to charge for cinematics next? Well, more power to the consumer, I say! We can all just not bother with the cutscenes, saving some money in the process, and just go on like it never happened.
Just like those rumoured sequels to the Matrix that never were... Yep...
seriously don't think SC, WC1/2/3, or Diablo 1/2 are any better than SC2. WC3 was actually cringe worthy and I couldn't even get through the cutscenes so I think SC2 is better.
I completly disagree.
Warcraft 3's story was awesome, with much less clichés and charismatic characters dying. The mighty heroes from Lordaeron in their shiny armor fell to the the undead, and almost all of them died. The great mages of the Kirin Tor were annihilated by Archimonde. The last defenders of the world weren't proud knights fighting for justice, but living trees, druids who turned in animals and xenophobic elven amazons that had spent the last few millenias living in the forest.
To compare a few of the similar plotlines: The orcs shifting from bloodthirsty savages to more noble creatures was handled well, because it was NOT "hey they have always been good but we forced to do evil by demons." Lord of the Clan and Reign of Chaos went out of their way to explain that the orcs knew what they were doing when they attacked the human kingdoms, and that their leaders drank Mannoroth's blood willingly. The orcs may have been manipulated, but it was just that: manipulation and the thrill of arcane magic. They were fully responsible of their actions, and their story is an actual redemption: they had commited terrible crimes, but chamanism eventually pulled them out of their lethargy and they were now willing to leave in peace under a new, wiser leader.
Starcraft 2, on the other hand, claims that the Overmind had never been evil. The zerg don't need any redemption, because they weren't responsible for their crimes, someone else was controlling their moves. Warcraft 3 didn't retcon the fact that the orcs were bloothirsty brutes in Warcraft 2. Starcraft 2, on the other hand, retconned the fact that Kerrigan and the Overmind were bad guys in Starcraft 1.
Even the alliance between the three races was explained in a more satisfying way: the characters didn't ally because Medivh told them to, he reasonned with them, showing there was an imminent threat to all of them and that cooperation would be beneficial, until the characters eventually realised that they had more in common with the other factions than they thought. That cutscene in which Thrall, Cairne and Jaina ponder the fact that they are now allied against the Warsong is one of my favorite in all Blizzard games. Sure, the world would probably have been doomed if the characters hadn't allied with each other, but it was only the balance of forces that would have been different. Nothing was set in stone, even Medivh didn't "know" the future, he merely knew that the Legion was trying to come back, and that Kalimdor would be the best place to make a stand. Everything else was just about making the leaders realise they needed to go to Kalimdor and to ally with each other. He couldn't just walk in and say "go west and hug the orcs".
In WoL, on the other hand, that's exactly what happens. Zeratul popped out of nowhere and gave you a crystal showing that some bad guy we know nothing about is about to show up and that without Kerrigan, the universe is dead. No other option. Trust me, it's written in the Prophecy, so it will happen, and your own actions don't matter. And so Raynor and Zeratul follow the prophecy without question.
This is why, IMO, Warcraft 3's story is several orders of magnitude better than WoL's.
To compare a few of the similar plotlines: The orcs shifting from bloodthirsty savages to more noble creatures was handled well, because it was NOT "hey they have always been good but we forced to do evil by demons." Lord of the Clan and Reign of Chaos went out of their way to explain that the orcs knew what they were doing when they attacked the human kingdoms, and that their leaders drank Mannoroth's blood willingly. The orcs may have been manipulated, but it was just that: manipulation and the thrill of arcane magic. They were fully responsible of their actions, and their story is an actual redemption: they had commited terrible crimes, but chamanism eventually pulled them out of their lethargy and they were now willing to leave in peace under a new, wiser leader.
Starcraft 2, on the other hand, claims that the Overmind had never been evil. The zerg don't need any redemption, because they weren't responsible for their crimes, someone else was controlling their moves. Warcraft 3 didn't retcon the fact that the orcs were bloothirsty brutes in Warcraft 2. Starcraft 2, on the other hand, retconned the fact that Kerrigan and the Overmind were bad guys in Starcraft 1.
I actually think this is blatantly unfair to starcraft 2 and blatantly too generous to warcraft. Warcraft III clearly paints the orcs as a "noble, shamanistic race" when we've always known them as bloodthirsty brutes invading the lands of azeroth. I agree it was handled well, but this is a major retcon no matter how you look at it.
Honestly, I don't know why people are saying the Overmind was a good guy. No he wasn't. He just developed a plan to get free. That doesn't mean he wasn't planning on assimilating and conquering the entire universe. That's exactly what the Overmind was trying to do. I see absolutely nothing that states that the Zerg are not responsible for their crimes.
If anything, what I don't like is the fact that these actually interesting concepts are not discussed at all in all the cutscenes. Raynor is trying to save the woman who he swore to kill. Where's the internal struggle? Where's the indecision? Where does he try to figure out what to do? We don't see anything of the sort, and personally that's why starcraft 2 fails for me.
It's so confusing because the story seems so character-focused. But Raynor never seems to change or realize anything. He just saves Kerrigan. He never decides to save kerrigan. He never decides to kill her. The discussion is actually not really brought up at all. It's almost like they had these important conversations offscreen.
God I hope the intentions of this leak was to see fan-based opinions only to see all the negative receptions and rewrite the script and storyline. If it isn't, this game will further extend its disappointment...
Extend its disappointment? You mean the part where the Zerg become deeper than just some shallow extension of a terran? The video also insinuated a bunch of BW grimdark stuff like double crossings, betrayls and possibly even some new Zerg characters. I don't understand fans sometimes, isn't the kind of things implied by the leak what you people wanted more of from WoL?
On December 09 2010 10:49 Jibba wrote: Chris Metzen is the Stephanie Meyers of video games.
What's next, a dwarf shaman?
I think it's even worse when you consider his early work. Look through the elaborate Warcraft II manual, the art and story are so intricately dark and morose.
QFT the War 2 manual is by far the best thing ive ever seen from a videogame that is not the game itself, god the art was superb. The history was amazing, now that ive read you im even more dissapointed at sc2 that i was =/
Warcraft III clearly paints the orcs as a "noble, shamanistic race" when we've always known them as bloodthirsty brutes invading the lands of azeroth. I agree it was handled well, but this is a major retcon no matter how you look at it.
Okay, this is a retcon in the original meaning of "retroactive continuity". The orcs had once been a shamanistic race, which we didn't know in Warcraft 2. But the difference is that, as I said, this did not prevent the orcs from being actual bloodthirsty brutes. They were different before, fine, but when they invaded the human kingdoms they were still every bit as bad as you thought when you played Warcraft 2. It is only after their defeat that they began to change, and even then, they didn't become good all of a sudden. According to Lord of the Clans, they understood what demonic energies were because of their lethargy, and at first, they didn't join Thrall for moral reasons, but because it was a way out of the lethargy.
The orcs didn't become "good" because they were noble and shamanistic before Warcraft 1, but because they chose to be that way after Warcraft 2. Do you see what I mean?
Honestly, I don't know why people are saying the Overmind was a good guy. He just developed a plan to get free. That doesn't mean he wasn't planning on assimilating and conquering the entire universe. That's exactly what the Overmind was trying to do. I see absolutely nothing that states that the Zerg are not responsible for their crimes.
First there is the dialog between Tassadar and Zeratul. Tassadar claims that the Overmind was brave, Zeratul answers he was an abomination, and Tassadar tells him to "forget what he knows". In fact, he specifies the zerg were "altered". Which the majority of us interprets as "you thought he was evil? We were kidding you!" Then, the Overmind was unwilling to destroy the protoss, because the Dark Voice had to implant that "overriding directive" in him, which openly conflicts with the Starcraft 1 manual. I think the Dark Templar trilogy also claims that the Xel'naga would have the protoss and zerg merge peacefully, which implies that if they had it their way (ie if the Dark Voice hadn't interfered), the zerg weren't going to slaughter everything in their path. Could anyone confirm this?
On December 09 2010 10:49 Jibba wrote: Chris Metzen is the Stephanie Meyers of video games.
What's next, a dwarf shaman?
I think it's even worse when you consider his early work. Look through the elaborate Warcraft II manual, the art and story are so intricately dark and morose.
QFT the War 2 manual is by far the best thing ive ever seen from a videogame that is not the game itself, god the art was superb. The history was amazing, now that ive read you im even more dissapointed at sc2 that i was =/
Diablo 1 manual is up there as well, in terms of the artwork and feel.
On December 18 2010 06:10 FirstPanzerDiv wrote: When we were all 13 and playing sc1, we had less expectations for stories and complexities. Now that we're older, we have a quaint nostalgia for sc1 and dislike the 'cheesiness' of the sc2 plot.
Really none of the blizzard stories are great, but that's okay... the campaign will still be fun.
Eh, Ive replayed the SC1 and WC3 campaigns several times and they just do not have any moments that are as cringe worthy as, for instance, the random bar fight between Tychus and Raynor, nor is the plot so completely disconnected from itself (you learn Tychus has a bomb strapped to himself halfway through the campaign, and yet do nothing whatsoever about it? the Hansen/Hanson whatever sideplot has no consequences at all etc).
As I said before, I guess the fact that SC2 looks so damn good now leads to higher expectations in the storyteling - theres way less room to make complete cheese when its a bunch of talking heads in a briefing room. And for WC3, well, its fantasy so even tho things get cheesy at times it fits better IMO, and its not the same kind of cheese either.
There is a great line in this review where he compares SC1 Zeratul's
You speak of knowledge, Judicator? You speak of experience? I have journeyed through the darkness between the most distant stars. I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...
You guys are missing a critical distinction. Warcraft was always meant to be the sort of campy, generic, feelgood fantasyland nonsense it is in Warcraft 3 and WoW (TFT notwithstanding). They have stated as much in several interviews. That's why they shoved all of this incredibly contrived fluff into it like magic dragons and talking gnolls and crazy steampunk technology and whatnot. It was meant to be a sort of campy homage to other high fantasy universes with a generic humans vs orcs plot, expecting some kind of fantastic writing out of it is pretty uncalled for given that it was always meant to be like, the series for children.
The Diablo series was meant to be like this serious, grimdark horror game that mimics the feeling of earlier roguelikes where you adventure deep into unknown dungeons and slay terrible monsters, and there's all kinds of demons and undead mobs and stuffs. The plot is really just some excuse holding the series together so there's really no need for high expectations there either. It was always a semi-action game meant for you to have fun killing tons and tons of dudes with blood and gore everywhere, not some kind of epic dark fantasy novel.
Starcraft however, was where Blizzard intended to break the mold. Sure, the space western and space opera stuff and campy cinematics were also meant to be a homage to earlier space western series and all of the very obvious sci-fi cliches like space marines and alien bugs were a tribute to other series like W40K. But the plot was very serious and the characters very real despite the semi-fantastical setting because it was meant to be that way. The writing was good, BW maybe not as much, but it was a beacon of light in the otherwise generic darkness of Blizzardland. It was meant to be like this epic character-focused multi-narrative story taking place in several acts, and it made usage of such devices we hadn't seen in video gaming at that time like limited point of view contrast. The technology of the time (talking heads lolol) limited the efficacy of any writing techniques the writers could utilize so they had to compensate with dialogue, and that was where the magic of SC+BW came from. Not the generic space marine vs bugs plot or all the grimdark backstabbing in BW. It was the characters and their interactions that provided the drama and thrust the plot of the series.
In WoL there's nothing. Just a drunk dude who's saving a girl who's going to do something. The epic, almost Shakespearean at times, dialogue has been replaced with Michael Bay lines and random cliched space western banter, and the crucial drama and internalization of the multifaceted characters have been replaced with fancy, high-tech fight scenes and lines that range from at times, generic sci-fi (the hounds... OF THE VOIDDDD) to dime-store romance novel trash (DON'T GIVE UP!). Not to mention the plot, so poorly and insufficiently explained as it is in WoL, is so illogical and stupid and none of the plot devices make any sense. You see I would accept the idea of another "everyone vs ancient evil" sci-fi plot if the basics were at least clear. But they're not. What we have in WoL is just a poorly-written stepping stone to a further generic epic sci-fi plot, a game without even a functional plot that promises us the rest of the story will be told if we shell out another $120.
When you start looking at it from another angle (ie Kotick) and realize the team scrapped much of their plot from WoL late in the development cycle when they decided to switch the game into a three-release model, not to mention all of the changes to Bnet2.0 and the game to get it to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, it all starts to make sense. Now I'm not going to go into any detail as to ActiBlizz's business plans (there's a whole other thread on that that's like 500 pages), but I think the logical conclusion here is pretty obvious and thoroughly explains the crap that was WoL.
It was Valarians scheme. He's basically like Duran at this point, only better because Valarian is human, so he'd have more relatable motives and ambitionsthan helping the fallen one to switch off the lights for the universe.
Cant believe some people are saying d1/wc/sc didnt have great stories and universes... its not that they were super complex stories (the manuals and stuff gave a lot of awesome detail yes, but the games themselves werent), its that they were believable and well executed. The games put you in a whole new universe that you cared about, that you feel involved in, like watching a movie unfold. Things happen around you as you command your factions armies.
No idea why people think raynor is some badass. Hes just some named unit in sc1. having a game centered around him was an insta-fail IMO. Also, no manual equal to all other blizzard games? That was a HUGE disappointment. blizzard manuals were always so amazing and its a real shame they are moving away from them... kind of consistent with the lack good quality storylines and writing lol.
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In sc1/wc/d1 the stories were believable. it wasnt the good guy wins, the good guy kills all the bad dudes and gets the girl, etc. No. Stormwind gets owned. The hero who slayed diablo has to implant the soulstone to keep him contained. Aiur gets owned. Mengsk gains control. Kerrigan gets infested. Etc. This were BELIEVABLE outcomes. Whereas sc2, Jim *SUPERBADASS* raynor, with his rag-tag band of mercs, seem to defy all logic and achieve everything they set out to do, and more. Thats just not believable. If sc2 was believable, you best believe general warfield died, horner dies, mengsk swoops in with the other half of his fleet after raynor clears out char and crushes everyone remaining and abducts kerrigan, hyperion gets owned at some point losing most of the crew... i dont know. The point is, what happens in sc2 is a joke.
You can make the argument that the other stories werent much better, but if you have more than 10 years to make a game, no rush to release it, and take your damn sweet time, you better put something out there that is better or at LEAST equal. That is why people are complaining.
I cant stop thinking about this stupid story that sc has become. A real shame. Maybe in the expansions we will see some super cool features to attract gamers such as slow motion sequences like COD.
Sam, it's stupid when it's Jim, but not when Sarah *SUPERBADASS* Kerrigan,defeats three fleets with a small number of Zerg? I think that you need to think about it some more.
On December 21 2010 13:00 Billy_ wrote: Sam, it's stupid when it's Jim, but not when Sarah *SUPERBADASS* Kerrigan,defeats three fleets with a small number of Zerg? I think that you need to think about it some more.
On December 21 2010 13:00 Billy_ wrote: Sam, it's stupid when it's Jim, but not when Sarah *SUPERBADASS* Kerrigan,defeats three fleets with a small number of Zerg? I think that you need to think about it some more.
Who even said you that was small number? In mission briefing Kerrigan calls those allied forces "3 little fleets". UED Battle fleet is just the remnants that survived battle for Char, what was clearly said there, Mengsk had just rag-tag fleet. And you expect that Zerg you saw in the very begining of the mission represents the full might of the swarm? Srly, you didnt think that Blizzard would make the last mission in campaign to be another self-winning with giving Zerg Swarm adventage of superior numbers, did you? Kerrigan controled entire swarm, a major military power in koprulu sector, while Raynor is just a guy with small bunch of followers, who cannot efectivelly do anything.
On December 23 2010 07:20 BleakRoe wrote: The video doesn't look close to anything Blizz would produce. The movie is horrible, looks like some kid did it in a basement.
Take 2 minutes to read the original post and realize why you're either: a) lazy b) an idiot
I believe this video is fake, due to the upper left corner showing the date 4.8.9 means it was made way before Wings of Liberty, Maybe a scrapped wings of liberty ending?
On December 23 2010 07:20 BleakRoe wrote: The video doesn't look close to anything Blizz would produce. The movie is horrible, looks like some kid did it in a basement.
On December 23 2010 11:11 wrenchpicker wrote: I believe this video is fake, due to the upper left corner showing the date 4.8.9 means it was made way before Wings of Liberty, Maybe a scrapped wings of liberty ending?
Yeah I saw that too. But I wasn't positive if it meant the date...
On December 23 2010 11:11 wrenchpicker wrote: I believe this video is fake, due to the upper left corner showing the date 4.8.9 means it was made way before Wings of Liberty, Maybe a scrapped wings of liberty ending?
One would hope Blizzard wouldn't be so lazy as to not have a rough draft of the major events that should occur in all three games. Sure Starcraft isn't Babylon 5 but even more shortsighted narratives like Stargate have been planned out well in advance in a rough format.
Didn't read all 30 pages, but my impression was that this was an alternative ending to Wings of Liberty.
First, at the end of the existing campaign, Kerrigan as the Queen of Blades ceases to exist. In the video she is still the queen of blades but she should be uninfested by that point. Secondly, I seriously doubt anyone working for such a production company would risk their livelihood to leak an actual in production cut scene o the biggest client the company has ever had.
Ugh. WOW.... as another poster said, this is just infuriatingly bad. I also didn't read all 30 pages, but I read a few replies and the poster who said SC/BW was about power and that WoL is too character focused was right - that's why WoL left such a bad taste in my mouth. Blizz shouldn't kill Mengsk, he is probably one of the most complex (and interesting) characters still around, after they slaughtered Kerrigan with her generic lines and even more generic voice. (I challenge you to play the last few missions of WoL without cringing at how cliche her dialogue and voice his, or even listening to wise-old-man-yoda Zeratul in the Protoss side missions.) This cinematic is way, way, way too cliche, and is made like a slightly overthetop Saturday morning cartoon.
IMO the best part about this cinematic was Mengsk's dialogue. I really don't see a strong reason to keep up with the storyline if there aren't interesting figures like Mengsk around (who really took a beating in WoL as well, but at least he is a remnant of what made SC/BW's story good.) If there was one highlight here, it was his reaction to the situation as it turned sour on him.
I'd gladly wait a few extra years for HotS if they would just save face and trash this (and maybe all of HotS, depending on what else happens in it) and just re-align the plot in a more serious way.
Mengsks character was already derailed in BW. In fact, he got a bit of an upgrade in WoL imo. Or is it really so easy for you to dismiss the way he was consistently screwed over in BW and that the way everyone just fucked him and his feeble resistance and his short sightedness? I doubt that a guy like Mengsk as we saw him in BW could mastermind the overthrow of the confederacy. I didn't see much charisma from him in neither BW or WoL, but at least in WoL he actually had a contingency plan of sorts with Tychus, so at least we know he attempted to plan ahead almost got what he wanted.
Uhhh... Right. I'm sure that Mengsk could have anticipated the UED coming, just like everyone else did, and just kept going fine and dandy with the Dominion. Or not. No one could anticipate the UED arriving, and so he made do with what he had in the new developing (and very dire, for him) situation - just like he did in SC1. Maybe you just missed this? WoL makes him actually short sighted, given the information he possesses and the abilities he is supposed to have. The saving grace of WoL, for Mengsk at least, is that he received comparatively little campaign screen-time, so his character is realistically salvageable from its SC/BW state, unlike poor Kerrigan.
The reason why the storyline is corny and sucky: It needs to be lame enough to sell in ALL countries.
I remember when Left4Dead came out, L4D was banned in several country's including Great Britain until they had to make it a lot less violent and gory. Same thing for SC2, they can't really have a good storyline in space without violence, and they can't have too much violence and realism because the game will get banned.
It's not that Blizzard has talentless people, it's quite the opposite, they're the best in the business, it just comes down to a money thing. Would they rather: Appeal to the hardcore audience and show what SC2 really is with a real storyline and actionclips, or dumb and lame it down so they can sell it in every country for more money. Guess which one they picked.
I've rewatched this once again, and I am disappoint with the story concept even more.
Much like a lot of the posts that came before this one, and who knows maybe some after. We can only hope that this was a secondary potentially ending to WoL, as it seems like based on Blizzard style this ending and the one we know from the game could lead into a very similar HotS.
Here's the rest of the dialog that you didn't copy and paste:
Sarah Kerrigan: I lied. I liberated this planet because it was the UED's primary staging point, not because I was under any obligation to you. I used you to destroy the psi disrupter and now that I've got my broods back, you're no longer necessary for my plans. I think I'll leave you here, Arcturus, among the ashes of your precious Dominion. I want you to live to see me rise to power and I want you to always remember, in your most private moments, that it was you who let me loose in the first place.
Again, look at the situation he (and everyone) was in - from emperor to outcast overnight with the UED's arrival. All of this is a setup for the dialogue and scene above. Mengsk was desperate. (Let's also not forget that both Raynor and Fenix took Kerrigan at her word here, too, as her personality wasn't fully revealed yet.) Like most people in a desperate situation, he'll take people at their word when that's all he has going for him, and there is some semblance of it being true. Plus, Kerrigan was in a bad situation, too, because of the UED. He anticipated a restoration of the balance of power after these events - good for him, and good for Kerrigan. Kerrigan thought she could do better though. Mengsk's line was a genuine outburst at being betrayed, comparable to his betrayal of Kerrigan. In fact, Kerrigan all but says this above, plain as day. It's a feature of the story: Mengsk was fallen and weakened, and this was a setup for an ironic scene predicated on his earlier betrayal. And, while I think it was a lapse for him to not plan a bit better, the lapse was clearly setup (and it was an elaborate and character-driven setup) to make it as realistic as possible that Kerrigan/Mengsk etc. work together, so that this very betrayal scene could take place. Also, if he hadn't worked with Kerrigan, what would he have done? The UED would have steamrolled them all, and he would never have retained the Dominion.
You are entitled to your view, but I think it would be enhanced by understanding what sort of character Mengsk is and what his limits are. He is a genius, but fallible, and he had lost everything, again. It's actually unrealistic that a character always make the right decision... and it's clear what sort of scene Blizz was trying to construct with your quoted passage, and how it was meant to establish Kerrigan's character. What is unrealistic in WoL is that, with knowledge of Kerrigan's treachery, Mengsk doesn't better prepare for her eventual return. That's the sort of foresight he should have had and doesn't seem explicable to me.
If he felt betrayed it meant that he expected something other than a knife in the back. If you don't see this as a problem then I don't know what else to say other than good for you, and good on Blizzard for meeting your standards. Glad to see that you're keeping an open mind that Arcturus might not have fucked up as horribly as the limited screentime he got in WoL suggests. He has been preparing his own super army. And suppose that all he's allegedly spent on hunting Jim down was just a smokescreen? Real life dictators have done such things before whenever they want to distract the general public from something the government does not want them to be paying attention to so that would be a good bit of Mengsk development and also be a nice and clean explanation as to why the Dominion was mostly passive to the raiders.
She pins Mengsk to the wall, claiming he turned everyone into monsters Mengsk tells her to just get her vengence over with and then choke on the ashes Kerrigan says it is not vengence, but justice...screen whites out
Kerrigan is overlooking the city as Rayor arrives and asks what next Kerrigan says she will leave humanity to its fate. The zerg are free now, even from her. So whether they bring life, or destroy worlds she will help them find the answers. out there among the stars
As she says this a massive flock of mutalisks is flying into the sky towards some kind of glowing thing in the sky (not sure if its a portal or just clouds made red by the setting sun)
So yeah....that could pretty much ruin starcraft, but I'm going to just hope that this was some masterstroke of Blizzard who (hypothetically) knows how to write something of a not terrible story. So yeah, blizzard just leaks this just to mess with our heads, while they actually make a good storyline =D
Really I think its just an advanced storyboard they were thinking about using for some god forsaken reason. Hey, i guess in the process of making a good story, even some terrible ideas get thrown around.
I mean, the whole thing isn't awful, even the ret conned implant wasn't that bad. When Raynor burst in to rescue his damsel, the cheesy justice line, and the "free" zerg parts...It's just bad, omg it's bad. I mean, even the cheesy "some things are just worth fighting for" part of WoL didn't make me want to punch someone like this does.
"This isn't vengeance, THIS IS SPART... JUSTICE!" The story could've been a lot better than an ending like that. BTW why would let the zerg be free? That's like letting an animal which has the capabilities to kill billions out of it's cage
I have a feeling this is a ploy by Blizzard - the video was leaked intentionally so that they could tap the response of the community and see whether they should change the storyline ahead of time, rather than asking us directly.
Just wait and see - the ending once retail release will be different.
On January 12 2011 23:08 InsaniaK wrote: "This isn't vengeance, THIS IS SPART... JUSTICE!" The story could've been a lot better than an ending like that. BTW why would let the zerg be free? That's like letting an animal which has the capabilities to kill billions out of it's cage
I believe it is to let the rachni queen rebuild her race to help shepherd and his crew against the reaper threat.
problem is that zergs arnt some animals...they are monsters who infest planets and destroy them...ruind them.... also blizzard making warcraft games (fanatasy games) they forghouth that realism is main thing of this game...story...so things like prophecy and that caind of things shouldnt have room in SC universe... so zeratull prophecy should be fake...main thing in SC UNIVERSE REALISAM so no prophecy and staf like that...also ZERGS ARNT ENYMALS THEY ARE MONSTERS...LOL..
How is the dark voice reprogramming rthe zerg with an overriding directive any worse than what the UED did when they captured the overmind from a lore point of view?
On January 23 2011 08:43 bole wrote: problem is that zergs arnt some animals...they are monsters who infest planets and destroy them...ruind them.... also blizzard making warcraft games (fanatasy games) they forghouth that realism is main thing of this game...story...so things like prophecy and that caind of things shouldnt have room in SC universe... so zeratull prophecy should be fake...main thing in SC UNIVERSE REALISAM so no prophecy and staf like that...also ZERGS ARNT ENYMALS THEY ARE MONSTERS...LOL..
Aren't they monsters who destroy worlds because the Overmind, and Kerrigan, made them do that? If they're free, they might be cool peeps. But they might not be.
Which is the whole point, to give an open ending. You don't know exactly what happens, you're forced to make it up on your own. Think Inception.
looks legit to me...watching the story q&a at blizzcon they talked a lot about kerrigan and that her sense of "justice" would be the heart of the story. Plus this kind of production this early on would make sense and it ends the zerg campaign where it should and then things will pick up with the protoss.
On January 23 2011 08:43 bole wrote: problem is that zergs arnt some animals...they are monsters who infest planets and destroy them...ruind them.... also blizzard making warcraft games (fanatasy games) they forghouth that realism is main thing of this game...story...so things like prophecy and that caind of things shouldnt have room in SC universe... so zeratull prophecy should be fake...main thing in SC UNIVERSE REALISAM so no prophecy and staf like that...also ZERGS ARNT ENYMALS THEY ARE MONSTERS...LOL..
Aren't they monsters who destroy worlds because the Overmind, and Kerrigan, made them do that? If they're free, they might be cool peeps. But they might not be.
Which is the whole point, to give an open ending. You don't know exactly what happens, you're forced to make it up on your own. Think Inception.
Hydralisks have been portrayed as vicious monsters who enjoy killing. Even in the SC manual it says "These once mild creatures now hunger for blood and violence, and they are infamous for acting in a particulary sadistic fashion" about them. I'm guessing that setting them free of any form of control isn't going to be the greatest idea ever
On January 23 2011 08:43 bole wrote: problem is that zergs arnt some animals...they are monsters who infest planets and destroy them...ruind them.... also blizzard making warcraft games (fanatasy games) they forghouth that realism is main thing of this game...story...so things like prophecy and that caind of things shouldnt have room in SC universe... so zeratull prophecy should be fake...main thing in SC UNIVERSE REALISAM so no prophecy and staf like that...also ZERGS ARNT ENYMALS THEY ARE MONSTERS...LOL..
Aren't they monsters who destroy worlds because the Overmind, and Kerrigan, made them do that? If they're free, they might be cool peeps. But they might not be.
Which is the whole point, to give an open ending. You don't know exactly what happens, you're forced to make it up on your own. Think Inception.
Hydralisks have been portrayed as vicious monsters who enjoy killing. Even in the SC manual it says "These once mild creatures now hunger for blood and violence, and they are infamous for acting in a particulary sadistic fashion" about them. I'm guessing that setting them free of any form of control isn't going to be the greatest idea ever
Yup. In the "Liberty's Crusade" book there's even a scene where Jim and co stumble across a barn with a bunch of dead humans killed by a few hydras. The hydras like flayed them and *hung the bodies from the ceiling* and basically decorated the room with entrails, etc.
On January 12 2011 23:08 InsaniaK wrote: "This isn't vengeance, THIS IS SPART... JUSTICE!" The story could've been a lot better than an ending like that. BTW why would let the zerg be free? That's like letting an animal which has the capabilities to kill billions out of it's cage
ZERG CAN BE FREE MY ASS! im glad this got leaked, no blizzard wont put in such a shitty ending in HotS
On January 23 2011 08:43 bole wrote: problem is that zergs arnt some animals...they are monsters who infest planets and destroy them...ruind them.... also blizzard making warcraft games (fanatasy games) they forghouth that realism is main thing of this game...story...so things like prophecy and that caind of things shouldnt have room in SC universe... so zeratull prophecy should be fake...main thing in SC UNIVERSE REALISAM so no prophecy and staf like that...also ZERGS ARNT ENYMALS THEY ARE MONSTERS...LOL..
Aren't they monsters who destroy worlds because the Overmind, and Kerrigan, made them do that? If they're free, they might be cool peeps. But they might not be.
Which is the whole point, to give an open ending. You don't know exactly what happens, you're forced to make it up on your own. Think Inception.
Hydralisks have been portrayed as vicious monsters who enjoy killing. Even in the SC manual it says "These once mild creatures now hunger for blood and violence, and they are infamous for acting in a particulary sadistic fashion" about them. I'm guessing that setting them free of any form of control isn't going to be the greatest idea ever
think of it this way, they still have to eat don't they. i don't think scantids and automaton 2000's will keep them content forever
On January 23 2011 08:43 bole wrote: problem is that zergs arnt some animals...they are monsters who infest planets and destroy them...ruind them.... also blizzard making warcraft games (fanatasy games) they forghouth that realism is main thing of this game...story...so things like prophecy and that caind of things shouldnt have room in SC universe... so zeratull prophecy should be fake...main thing in SC UNIVERSE REALISAM so no prophecy and staf like that...also ZERGS ARNT ENYMALS THEY ARE MONSTERS...LOL..
Aren't they monsters who destroy worlds because the Overmind, and Kerrigan, made them do that? If they're free, they might be cool peeps. But they might not be.
Which is the whole point, to give an open ending. You don't know exactly what happens, you're forced to make it up on your own. Think Inception.
It was shown in SC1 that Zerg that are released from the Hive Mind become mindless killing machines, killing literally anything around them.
It almost seems like Blizzard is going to create a plot hole like they did with Wrath of the Lich King.
WotLK has a similar plot in that killing Arthas means that the undead go on a mindless rampage. However, this was contradicted by the fact that the Forsaken were released from control and never did anything of the sort. The Forsaken aren't good, but they aren't mindless either.
Now Blizzard seems to be making the same plot hole with SC2, only in reverse this time. Now, releasing the Zerg will apparently make them not so evil, which is contradicted by the fact that zerg who become "free" in SC1 become mindless killing machines.
On January 23 2011 08:43 bole wrote: problem is that zergs arnt some animals...they are monsters who infest planets and destroy them...ruind them.... also blizzard making warcraft games (fanatasy games) they forghouth that realism is main thing of this game...story...so things like prophecy and that caind of things shouldnt have room in SC universe... so zeratull prophecy should be fake...main thing in SC UNIVERSE REALISAM so no prophecy and staf like that...also ZERGS ARNT ENYMALS THEY ARE MONSTERS...LOL..
Aren't they monsters who destroy worlds because the Overmind, and Kerrigan, made them do that? If they're free, they might be cool peeps. But they might not be.
Which is the whole point, to give an open ending. You don't know exactly what happens, you're forced to make it up on your own. Think Inception.
It was shown in SC1 that Zerg that are released from the Hive Mind become mindless killing machines, killing literally anything around them.
How do you explain the one mission in the Queen of Blades chapter (I think it was mission number three) where you have to rally some neutral zerg with a psi emitter? Those Zerg were not a part of any of the broods if the gray faction color is any indication. What, did the UED just have too much difficulty controlling those Zerg in Kerrigans presence which is why the Zerg were pretty docile with each other?
if its like WoL, even if the story is average, at least the missions will be fun and refreshing unlike most other RTS game campaigns where its the same shit until the credits
so im not assed, and sometimes its not a bad thing to watch an ending first then start from the beginning, a few films do that.
Can't believe the negative bandwagon towards WoL? I found the campaign story to be a good continuation of its predecessor and a refreshing change at the same time. Sure there were cheesy moments but there are always awkward/average moments in every single player game.
On January 27 2011 15:34 Spawkuring wrote: It almost seems like Blizzard is going to create a plot hole like they did with Wrath of the Lich King.
WotLK has a similar plot in that killing Arthas means that the undead go on a mindless rampage. However, this was contradicted by the fact that the Forsaken were released from control and never did anything of the sort. The Forsaken aren't good, but they aren't mindless either.
Now Blizzard seems to be making the same plot hole with SC2, only in reverse this time. Now, releasing the Zerg will apparently make them not so evil, which is contradicted by the fact that zerg who become "free" in SC1 become mindless killing machines.
Not all undead retained their higher brain functions once turned. There have been several stories of people being turned and just being mindless zombies that attack the living. Also several people who were turned were naturally evil and did what they could to increase their undead powers. The forsaken are simply a specific UD group that maintained their higher brain functions, broke free of the the LK, and banded together. If you want to make an SC to WC comparison, think of the forsaken as cerebrates, and then imagine the cerebrates breaking free of the overmind's (arthas) control. But SC isn't WC and so that's enough about that.
In regards to SC, it all depends on what the overmind said. The dark one forced a "single over-riding drive" on them to kill everything. Remove that one factor and who knows what would happen. Some could be fine while others might still want to kill everything. As for people talking about the BW level where you take control of zerg, that likely has to do with game limitations. Realistically those zerg would probably have attacked you w/o the psi emitter, but the SC1 game doesn't have the tech to make a hostile turn friendly (as far as I know). Only neutral units could become friendly, so they had to make the units neutral in order for the level to properly work. And they were likely gray to show that no brood had actual control over them.
Also it appears that when the zerg don't have a unified controller they revert back to more of a pack mentatility. They would roam in packs and attack anything not of their packs (it generally wasn't just a massive FFA).
But as for the video, I just don't think thats how HotS will end. I can see it being a concept that was rejected (hence why blizz would want it removed), but the reinfested kerrigan doesn't make sense, nor does the thing Mengsk put inside of her. Remember back to SC1. When you get Infested Kerrigan you also end up getting Psi Storm on her because the infestation process removed all of the terran devices that are installed in ghosts for control reasons. So how did this one device magically make it through a process that altered her DNA and removed all other devices?
The swarm will need to be freed in order to prevent the end of the universe, but I don't think that video is how it will come about. And even then they could still be sadistic killers.
I dunno how anyone could complain about the ending of a game they haven't even seen yet. Play through the story, finish the entire campaign, and then post your opinions! This is nothing more than a preliminary cg whiteboard.
And lol @ Spawkuring talking about "plot holes" in the WarCraft universe when you only need to play a Forsaken character for 10 minutes to understand the difference between the Scourge and the Forsaken.
I'm excited to play through the next chapter and see the events leading up to that video. :D
Why on earth anyone would want to have the HotS story potentially spoiled for them, and possibly spoil it for others by posting it in a TL thread and discussing, is beyond me.
This is a joke. It doesn't even make sense. The zerg aren't viable as an undirected "species." They're composed of a ton of different life forms, many of which do not have any apparent means of self-sufficiency.
How exactly are overlords going to feed themselves? Corruptors? Mutalisks? They don't even have legs for chrissake. How are the mutas going to reproduce or make nests or anything like that? It's such an utter joke.
On December 09 2010 08:27 xaeiu wrote: lol looks kinda good for a concept but the time i heard the soundtrack which sounded like the transformers' in the first video i just had to laugh... legit or not....i don't know, but looks kinda cool anyway...
personally i tend more to not legit, since fans do stuff like that with ease these days
Haha, I noticed that too.
I was never that impressed with the overall story of StarCraft, and if this is where the story is headed, I'm not too impressed. The only character I really like in the SC universe was the Overmind. The Overmind did a much better job of being the "guy behind the guy" character than what the Dark Voice was trying to be in SC2.
As long as HotS introduces a few more units into the mix or something akin to what Brood War did for the first StarCraft, I'll be happy.
We know _way_ too little of the new story to be speculating like this. Yeah, WoL could have been more epic than it was, but I'm confident in blizzard's ability for producing workable stories. The expansions will probably create a cohesive whole.
is this thread still not dead? it cannot be the end. the stories dont fit together! 1st: kerrigan is not human, so it has to play before WoL but mengsk dies, so it cannot be before the WoL storyline. it simply is impossible! the only way it would be possible is when kerrigan becomes the queen again, but really, who believes that?
Jesus fucking Christ its almost like Metzen is some genetically engineered soviet android that can only regurgitate one plot over and over and over again.
Also Zerg are good panda bears now. zzzz.
Zerg Campaign should have been about brutal slaughter with some bittersweet moments thrown in.
Guess I'm too old for this crap.
it cannot be the end. the stories dont fit together! 1st: kerrigan is not human, so it has to play before WoL but mengsk dies, so it cannot be before the WoL storyline. it simply is impossible! the only way it would be possible is when kerrigan becomes the queen again, but really, who believes that?
Its simple really. Kerrigan Starts out as human but makes a deal with mengsk to get infested again to control the zerg (As shown in that stasis tube video), and the progress of her infestation coincides with getting new researches etc WoL upgrade style.
That was stupid. Kerrigan and the Zerg NEED to be powerful and evil beyond belief. That was stupid how some old man can just control such a powerful being with such a small device, it just doesn't feel right.
Raynor and (Infested) Kerrigan can't get along, it just isn't right. Once your a zerg, that should be it...every scrap of love and kindness should be replaced with rage.
On January 27 2011 15:34 Spawkuring wrote: It almost seems like Blizzard is going to create a plot hole like they did with Wrath of the Lich King.
WotLK has a similar plot in that killing Arthas means that the undead go on a mindless rampage. However, this was contradicted by the fact that the Forsaken were released from control and never did anything of the sort. The Forsaken aren't good, but they aren't mindless either.
Now Blizzard seems to be making the same plot hole with SC2, only in reverse this time. Now, releasing the Zerg will apparently make them not so evil, which is contradicted by the fact that zerg who become "free" in SC1 become mindless killing machines.
Not all undead retained their higher brain functions once turned. There have been several stories of people being turned and just being mindless zombies that attack the living. Also several people who were turned were naturally evil and did what they could to increase their undead powers. The forsaken are simply a specific UD group that maintained their higher brain functions, broke free of the the LK, and banded together. If you want to make an SC to WC comparison, think of the forsaken as cerebrates, and then imagine the cerebrates breaking free of the overmind's (arthas) control. But SC isn't WC and so that's enough about that.
In regards to SC, it all depends on what the overmind said. The dark one forced a "single over-riding drive" on them to kill everything. Remove that one factor and who knows what would happen. Some could be fine while others might still want to kill everything. As for people talking about the BW level where you take control of zerg, that likely has to do with game limitations. Realistically those zerg would probably have attacked you w/o the psi emitter, but the SC1 game doesn't have the tech to make a hostile turn friendly (as far as I know). Only neutral units could become friendly, so they had to make the units neutral in order for the level to properly work. And they were likely gray to show that no brood had actual control over them.
Also it appears that when the zerg don't have a unified controller they revert back to more of a pack mentatility. They would roam in packs and attack anything not of their packs (it generally wasn't just a massive FFA).
But as for the video, I just don't think thats how HotS will end. I can see it being a concept that was rejected (hence why blizz would want it removed), but the reinfested kerrigan doesn't make sense, nor does the thing Mengsk put inside of her. Remember back to SC1. When you get Infested Kerrigan you also end up getting Psi Storm on her because the infestation process removed all of the terran devices that are installed in ghosts for control reasons. So how did this one device magically make it through a process that altered her DNA and removed all other devices?
The swarm will need to be freed in order to prevent the end of the universe, but I don't think that video is how it will come about. And even then they could still be sadistic killers.
This ending feels very legit. Now I'm a bit sad I actually watched it, but the feel of the SCstory isn't really there for me anymore. The greatness of SC2 is the MP and what it has done and will probably keep doing for eSport. With that said, I will enjoy playing the following expansions as well, even if it has been done before, I feel that the SP part of SC2 holds a pretty high standard for SP RTS.
it's not cool at all.... i'm so saaadddd... she should go rampaging or some crazy thing like that... not have zerg become good! ARGHHSDKSJDFKJASD FAILLLL!!!
I dunno, the whole "Zerg are good now" thing does seem a little weird to me, maybe just because they've been the bad guys for so long, but there's still one more expansion after this. IF this clip is actually a direct reflection of how the story will progress, there's still a whole other game after this supposed ending to resolve the plot fully.
So yeah, of course the Zerg being freed and such feels unfinished and awkward a little bit... The story isn't over.
Besides, there's no REAL proof that this is anything more than a totally trashed concept, so the story may be worlds different.
If I know blizzard, they immidiately changed the ending as soon as it got leeked ^^ On a serious note though, it's a rather small chance of this being the actual ending of SC HotS. As a protoss player I'm very interesting in seeing what Legacy of the Void will bring. Maybe a prequel kind of thing, considering I'm still getting a feeling that HotS will be the end of the WoL storyline.
And people ask: WHY those soulless torrenterz download games to play it (then maybe buying it later) instead of buying it blindly because the company has a good reputation?
I'm fairly certain that in HotS the Zerg are going to be romanticized in some way. No more evil space bugs, they will be portrayed as some noble incarnation of the power of nature.
On March 08 2011 00:17 lowercase wrote: I'm fairly certain that in HotS the Zerg are going to be romanticized in some way. No more evil space bugs, they will be portrayed as some noble incarnation of the power of nature.
That would be horrible. Zerg in BW WERE the incarnation of nature. A brutal, mercyless incarnation of natural selection.
On February 22 2011 12:27 Displace77 wrote: And where the hell is Duran? LOL!
I don't know if I'm the only one...but I've been simply dying for any ounce of new info that can be related to him too..Is all the speculation that he is Dr. Narud true? Or is he the Dark Voice? I just wanna knowww
This is most likely legit. Its a cinematic done in Maya using Blizzards assets. Hence why certain maps arent loaded in, like spec, normal, parallax, emissive , etc.
These arent really done to test out if the story will work or not. These are made to flesh out the timings of shots and to see if certain camera angles "work". So, if this is truly legit we wont see much change in the 'story' being told in the scene. Rather, we would scene different cameras, lights, backdrops etc.
So, assuming this is the real deal. It leads us to question why did Kerrigan go from being cured to being Zergified again? Of course, they may simply be using her old Wings of Liberty in-game "zergy" asset for the sake of time (her "cured" in-game model may not be finished yet).
I sincerely doubt that. Kerrigan uses her Zerg wings to pin Mengsk to the wall; that and many other parts of the scene don't pan out correctly if she's the human we see at the end of WoL.
And there's absolutely no motivation for her to be re-infested. I'm unconvinced this is Heart of the Swarm.
Kerrigan sacrificed herself to become Zerg again so that the Hybrid would be defeated. I actually think that this was leaked because it was actually thought of to be a very bad ending. Now blizzard has to try harder ftw >.>
Maybe she was never truly cured from the infestations just kinda disrupted the process and then she uses Jim Raynor as a pawn to take out mengsk who apparently had some control over kerrigan. which is off because somehow he has her body in a tube yet she was left for dead.....
Well I'm not much of a lore guy so I'm not too mad that the story ended up being as bad as this. I just hope the multi player doesn't suffer the same fate.
The original story wasn't exactly a page turner, why are people holding SC2 to such a high standard? Just let the story be an excuse to play through some missions and leave it at that
On February 22 2011 11:45 Half wrote: Jesus fucking Christ its almost like Metzen is some genetically engineered soviet android that can only regurgitate one plot over and over and over again.
Also Zerg are good panda bears now. zzzz.
You are jumping to conclusions here. Just because zerg are free, they are not good. They will not try to establish a meaningful dialogue between the races to ensure peace in universe.
On March 22 2011 14:37 Rylaji wrote: So Kerrigan is supposibly INfested again, and they changed the voice actor for her? And the Raynor voice aint the same either unless you noticed?
I think this is a very early rendition and its not whats gonna come.
Probably placeholding voices seeing as how it looks like its very early in production.
On February 22 2011 11:45 Half wrote: Jesus fucking Christ its almost like Metzen is some genetically engineered soviet android that can only regurgitate one plot over and over and over again.
Also Zerg are good panda bears now. zzzz.
You are jumping to conclusions here. Just because zerg are free, they are not good. They will not try to establish a meaningful dialogue between the races to ensure peace in universe.
On March 22 2011 14:37 Rylaji wrote: So Kerrigan is supposibly INfested again, and they changed the voice actor for her? And the Raynor voice aint the same either unless you noticed?
I think this is a very early rendition and its not whats gonna come.
The first few runs they often use other voice actors as placeholders until they have the actual cinematic down.
If I know blizzard, they immidiately changed the ending as soon as it got leeked ^^
If this is what happens, someone tell me the name of the leaker so I can send him a basket of flowers and a big box of chocolates.
More seriously, I still wonder if that could've been an alternative ending for WoL. The video was made in 2009, and someone said in an interview that Blizzard had considered making several possible endings at some point. My opinion on this potential ending notwithstanding, it would make more sense to have "the zerg must find their own way" at the end of WoL than at the end of HotS.
On March 21 2011 01:43 Double Letters wrote: The original story wasn't exactly a page turner, why are people holding SC2 to such a high standard? Just let the story be an excuse to play through some missions and leave it at that
It wasn't literaly the story itself, but the way it was told, the atmosphere and the interesting characters in it etc., (that's what people usually mean by story) that made it so good. I hated nearly all of the SC missions, they were incredibly boring, but the "story" was so interesting that I kept playing. Also, I first played it 3 years ago at 17, so I'm not wearing the nostalgia glasses when talking about the SC story. I didn't like the BW story very much though. SC2 Had great missions and gameplay for an RTS single player, no doubt, but the story was too bland. I need a story to keep me interested, to keep me coming back to the game. If gameplay is all it has going for it, I might as well play any other random game. Single Player in an RTS isn't even that good compared to other genres anyway, multiplayer is what they're made for. Only the zeratul missions in SC2 had an interesting story imo, even though the payoff wasn't all that great and the dark voice was a cheesy as fuck villain, the missions had great atmosphere, especially the fourth. As it stands right now, I'm not even batting an eye to the HotS campaign, unless I hear the story's good, wich has a one to a million chance of happening judging by this cinematic.
Um, Blizzard said (blizzcon 2009?) that they make the story in the process, so they start developing Wol and have half missions done, but they still don't know how it ends. Sounds a but strange because of the artifacts which you collected all game long. Would be a bit mindlesss collecting all pieces and then don't know what to do. But they said they don't follow a strict pattern. But rendering a "possible" ending is a bit strange, so they chose this one already, else they just wouldn't render the clip(or start something in that way).
Well, I hope it's not true, or they change it.. a lot. And why, why, why do we have to put up with more infested Kerrigan, or semi-infested Kerrigan, is beyond me. Can't the whole zerg story from now on not revolve around Kerrigan at all, I mean we've got more than enough of this already, introduce something completely new please. Let this beautiful woman Sarah just be human exactly like in the beginning of SC1, and part of the terrans, what's wrong with that.
It's like... welllll, you did this whole campaign WoL to turn Kerrigan back to human... and poof, that achievement is gone. Didn't happen. She's zerg again, because we can't think of anything else. Please. That's not the bold storytelling of the original series.
It seems Blizzard want to use the Lich King syndrome again. You know, if you played wow, it must always be a lich king, because otherwise undeads would just rip though everyone. The idea behind zerg seesm to be the same.. without any overmind, and with a clean kerrigan, zergs would go wild. Still, i don't like the idea at all.
Anyway, the only thing i want off the HotS campaign, is some news about Duran.
On March 06 2011 19:45 Euronyme wrote: If I know blizzard, they immidiately changed the ending as soon as it got leeked ^^ On a serious note though, it's a rather small chance of this being the actual ending of SC HotS. As a protoss player I'm very interesting in seeing what Legacy of the Void will bring. Maybe a prequel kind of thing, considering I'm still getting a feeling that HotS will be the end of the WoL storyline.
God I hope so... Maybe the production company was like "wtf this is so horrible, let's leak it and pray they just do it again". Even if it adds 6 months onto the release, it was just so bad/cliche and I really hope they don't take it in that direction.
zerg is expected to be not the ultimate evil race because hybrid was already mentioned in bw I reckon it is so much better to have zerg+protss+terran going against this hybrid race (dark voice is the evil xel'naga?)
On May 17 2011 14:05 ETisME wrote: zerg is expected to be not the ultimate evil race because hybrid was already mentioned in bw I reckon it is so much better to have zerg+protss+terran going against this hybrid race (dark voice is the evil xel'naga?)
I agree, I'd like to see the three races team up against a hybrid race. And then Zerg turns around and finishes the job, killing the Protoss for good.
Controversial but it's what you all wanna see, you know you do.
I agree, I'd like to see the three races team up against a hybrid race. And then Zerg turns around and finishes the job, killing the Protoss for good.
Controversial but it's what you all wanna see, you know you do.
Well replace hybrids with UED and that's the zerg campaign of Brood War. Kerrigan has already shown that she can't be trusted, so even a teamup with her would be weird. Even more so if she betrays everyone at the end.
On May 17 2011 18:07 Telenil wrote:Well replace hybrids with UED and that's the zerg campaign of Brood War. Kerrigan has already shown that she can't be trusted, so even a teamup with her would be weird. Even more so if she betrays everyone at the end.
Or even replace Zerg/Protoss/Terran with Night Elves, Humans and Orcs... and Hybrids with Undead and Burning Legion.
well. unless the campaign revolves around recreating the infested kerrigan to control the swarm, but with a human conscience, i deem this fake and gay. as it seems the story does revolve around kerrigan retaking control but re-infesting herself seems to fucked up. i'm with the guy thinking this is an old and scrapped scene from WOL.
also. it's kindof epic when you hear the overminds story in WOL but it still ruins zerg and thus sc lore for me.. yeah poor zerg, brave overmind, fuck you. they were the sickest aliens of all time and then actullay getting controlled by a vile semi-human, totally sick. loved it. now, meh. and the ending in this vid is just hilarious, the zerg are finally free!! like WHAT kindof means they will destroy eachother and everything closeby, doesnt it? it's what happened when the overmind died. they are bred to destroy and consume, they know nothing else. they're NOT ANIMALS. my five cents of whine
On May 17 2011 18:07 Telenil wrote:Well replace hybrids with UED and that's the zerg campaign of Brood War. Kerrigan has already shown that she can't be trusted, so even a teamup with her would be weird. Even more so if she betrays everyone at the end.
Or even replace Zerg/Protoss/Terran with Night Elves, Humans and Orcs... and Hybrids with Undead and Burning Legion.
Yup. My main problem with the WOL campaign is the rehashed Warcraft III elements. Hopefully I'm wrong and part 2 takes us by surprise, but right now all it needs is for Mengsk son to get infested by Zerg under control of the hybrids and you can basically call him Prince Arthas.
Looks like Kerrigan is helped with two celebrates and they are trying to fight off protoss and zerg? (why zerg vs zerg? can it be another celebrate tried to take control again?) also baneling is like the same size of Kerrigan, they are actually quite a lot bigger than I thought
On March 19 2011 14:00 ZidaneTribal wrote: blizzard should give some options for the consumers to vote for imo
That'd be retarded. Imagine if J.K Rowlling asked for her fans how Harry Potter should end. Total Chaos.
The ending of Harry Potter couldn't possibly get worse.
I actually like the ending of Harry Potter... I would not want her to change it.
BTW, why does it mater how the next installment of SCII ends? Wouldn't we still love the game? Which is what we really care for?
No. If the single player ending is bad, the entire professional SC2 scene will collapse. You can't have one without the other.
Sorry mate, but that is just BS. If you look at the achievement points of many pros they have only got some from multi-player. Not even a single one from single player. They do not care how bad a story-line is as long as the multi-player is great and to tell you the truth, I care mostly about the multi-player and nothing else. Everything else is extra...
On May 31 2011 15:03 Beef Noodles wrote: No. If the single player ending is bad, the entire professional SC2 scene will collapse. You can't have one without the other.
Normally I hold myself to a higher standard of posting but just this one time: L O L
The entire professional starcraft2 scene would collapse? You can't have one without the other? Some hardcore ladder folk perhaps but people who have made it their profession to play starcraft 2 would not walk away due to a component of single player, completely unrelated to the outcome of multi player. Your whole post is inaccurate and reeks of projecting your opinions on other people. Probe1 angry. Probe1 SMAAAAAASH.
Look, the ending (That we weren't supposed to see) is better off controversial than tame. Which path was better for Haven? The one where Raynor gets a peck on the cheek or the one where a crazy infested bitch trys to kill him? One of them had drama and excitement to it, the other was like a bad prom date experience.
This ending that we've all seen looks good, confusing and intriguing. I'm titillated enough to count the days until the release date but not enough to indulge in a wild fantasy about the future of starcraft2s professional scene- A multi million dollar world wide esport that has avid fans, investors and employees working in a giant spectrum.
On May 31 2011 15:03 Beef Noodles wrote: No. If the single player ending is bad, the entire professional SC2 scene will collapse. You can't have one without the other.
Normally I hold myself to a higher standard of posting but just this one time: L O L
The entire professional starcraft2 scene would collapse? You can't have one without the other? Some hardcore ladder folk perhaps but people who have made it their profession to play starcraft 2 would not walk away due to a component of single player, completely unrelated to the outcome of multi player. Your whole post is inaccurate and reeks of projecting your opinions on other people. Probe1 angry. Probe1 SMAAAAAASH.
The professional game would collapse cause the fans were fans of the game because of the story before it became a multiplayer sensation. Without the fans the professionals have no one to perform for. The story is important. And blizzard haven't been good at storys for a long time now. And they are getting worse it seems. Time for a new game giant to emerge... just need someone who values a good story which will in turn build a fan base and in turn create the following that leads expansions/sequels to do well. Ignore the original reason fans joined your game and your game dies!
On March 19 2011 14:00 ZidaneTribal wrote: blizzard should give some options for the consumers to vote for imo
That'd be retarded. Imagine if J.K Rowlling asked for her fans how Harry Potter should end. Total Chaos.
The ending of Harry Potter couldn't possibly get worse.
I actually like the ending of Harry Potter... I would not want her to change it.
BTW, why does it mater how the next installment of SCII ends? Wouldn't we still love the game? Which is what we really care for?
No. If the single player ending is bad, the entire professional SC2 scene will collapse. You can't have one without the other.
Sorry mate, but that is just BS. If you look at the achievement points of many pros they have only got some from multi-player. Not even a single one from single player. They do not care how bad a story-line is as long as the multi-player is great and to tell you the truth, I care mostly about the multi-player and nothing else. Everything else is extra...
You're just deluding yourself, in fact, not only the professional SC2 scene will collapse, but commercials for hair products will have 25% more percentages in them!
On June 01 2011 13:02 Bobgrimly wrote: The professional game would collapse cause the fans were fans of the game because of the story before it became a multiplayer sensation. Without the fans the professionals have no one to perform for. The story is important. And blizzard haven't been good at storys for a long time now. And they are getting worse it seems. Time for a new game giant to emerge... just need someone who values a good story which will in turn build a fan base and in turn create the following that leads expansions/sequels to do well. Ignore the original reason fans joined your game and your game dies!
Why don't people learn lessons!
The original reason fans joined the game was because how balanced starcraft was as a RTS game. Actually it's not incorrect to say Blizzard are the forefathers in refining and balancing the RTS genre.
Yes, there are people who love the lore but that should come second to gameplay. If you love the story that much you should end up like this guy:
On June 01 2011 21:19 Creampie wrote: Yes, there are people who love the lore but that should come second to gameplay. If you love the story that much you should end up like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwyMB19q7ms
Inconsistencies kill immersion. Lore should be kept consistent.
Yesterday I watched an old Enterprise episode. T'Pol stated the distance to the other ship being 600.000 km while the Enterprise was closing with Warp speed. Even with just Warp 1 it would be there in 2 seconds, but it took way longer.
If they bring numbers up, they should be consistent. If they introduce characters, they should fit the lore. The red shirt guy noticed a detail which needed to be fixed.
If Kerrigan fucking dies ill be soo happy. I want my overmind and cerebrates back!
Zerg has been all about this 1 character, i dont get it. Protoss & Terran are rich in characters while Zerg is only focused about Kerrigan which isnt even really a Zerg (Well, Zerg consists of multiple different races but you know what i mean)
This doesnt do justice. Zerg has a huge base for new exciting characters and a better story, which they have payed aboslutely no attention to.
Doesn't look like the real thing to me, tbh. It's pretty poorly animated compared to what I've seen in WoL. Though the voices are done about right. I dunno, just my opinion.
Given the 4 selectable Battle Focuses for Heart of the Swarm and that Kerrigan is clearly not full on infested as shown in the pre-production video, it is my belief that it was one of the possible ideas for the Wings of Liberty story that was scrapped.
If WoL had followed that sequence of events, it would lead directly to Kerrigan and the Zerg being on their own at the start of HotS, and discovering what Duran / the Xel'Naga have planned and returning to warn both the Terran and the Protoss. Then that of course would lead it to Legacy of the Void.
The difference between the video and what we got in the released version of WoL suggests that Mengsk will be a player in the end of the story, they wanted Duran to have control of most of the Zerg and the Hybrids instead of Kerrigan, and there needed to be some redemption for her so that all 3 races would join together to combat the threat.
On March 19 2011 14:00 ZidaneTribal wrote: blizzard should give some options for the consumers to vote for imo
That'd be retarded. Imagine if J.K Rowlling asked for her fans how Harry Potter should end. Total Chaos.
The ending of Harry Potter couldn't possibly get worse.
I actually like the ending of Harry Potter... I would not want her to change it.
BTW, why does it mater how the next installment of SCII ends? Wouldn't we still love the game? Which is what we really care for?
No. If the single player ending is bad, the entire professional SC2 scene will collapse. You can't have one without the other.
Sorry mate, but that is just BS. If you look at the achievement points of many pros they have only got some from multi-player. Not even a single one from single player. They do not care how bad a story-line is as long as the multi-player is great and to tell you the truth, I care mostly about the multi-player and nothing else. Everything else is extra...
Yeah, Liquid`Tyler only beat the single-player for the first time within the last month. The campaign is hardly the main attraction of sc2
On June 02 2011 05:51 Biokronos wrote: Doesn't look like the real thing to me, tbh. It's pretty poorly animated compared to what I've seen in WoL. Though the voices are done about right. I dunno, just my opinion.
It's a pre-visualization of the storyboard to have some content to discuss further details before it will be fleshed out.
On March 19 2011 14:00 ZidaneTribal wrote: blizzard should give some options for the consumers to vote for imo
That'd be retarded. Imagine if J.K Rowlling asked for her fans how Harry Potter should end. Total Chaos.
The ending of Harry Potter couldn't possibly get worse.
I actually like the ending of Harry Potter... I would not want her to change it.
BTW, why does it mater how the next installment of SCII ends? Wouldn't we still love the game? Which is what we really care for?
No. If the single player ending is bad, the entire professional SC2 scene will collapse. You can't have one without the other.
Sorry mate, but that is just BS. If you look at the achievement points of many pros they have only got some from multi-player. Not even a single one from single player. They do not care how bad a story-line is as long as the multi-player is great and to tell you the truth, I care mostly about the multi-player and nothing else. Everything else is extra...
Yeah, Liquid`Tyler only beat the single-player for the first time within the last month. The campaign is hardly the main attraction of sc2
For Tyler it isn't. For the majority of players it probably is the first thing they do (playing the campaign.)
Some guys even don't play multiplayer at all or they just play three matches after placement and never go back for another multiplayer.
Most Wings of Liberty reviews elaborated on the campaign. In comparison, the multiplayer was just mentioned. To get a good review score, single player is still the core of the game.
Kerrigan becomes a human/zerg hybrid. She and Raynor team up to kill Mengsk, as we have seen (with the exception of the stupid "the Zerg are now free").
She discovers Mengsk has been working with/for Duran and the Protoss/Zerg hybrids. Seeing their potential, and them being in her likeness (hybrid), she leaves Raynor, kills Duran, and takes control of the hybrids. She also gets control of the zerg. Essentially, she "dies".
Kerrigan murders the Dominion and their new king, Valerian using the Hybrids and the Zerg. Jim Raynor and Matt Hooper, with a small force, are still alive and escape from Kerrigan.
Zeratul meets with Raynor, and tells him that he was wrong about the prophecy, that he must kill Kerrigan, who is truly the Dark Voice. He tells Raynor that Kerrigan will send everything against the Protoss, and they will fight to their death. Raynor is to lead a small team to kill Kerrigan.
The final mission/missions consist of Kerrigan/the Zerg/the Hybrids attacking and killing all the Protoss. The Protoss kill the Zerg and many Hybrids.
Raynor finally realizing she cannot be saved, kills Kerrigan and the remaining Hybrids.
The survivors are the Terran, the Protoss and the Zerg lying dead.
....might not be good, but sounds better than the crap they're dishing out. I forget how the WarCraft series ended, so hopefully this isn't similar
On March 19 2011 14:00 ZidaneTribal wrote: blizzard should give some options for the consumers to vote for imo
That'd be retarded. Imagine if J.K Rowlling asked for her fans how Harry Potter should end. Total Chaos.
The ending of Harry Potter couldn't possibly get worse.
I actually like the ending of Harry Potter... I would not want her to change it.
BTW, why does it mater how the next installment of SCII ends? Wouldn't we still love the game? Which is what we really care for?
No. If the single player ending is bad, the entire professional SC2 scene will collapse. You can't have one without the other.
Hahahaha oh my god. So many latched on to this and thought you were serious, and one guy even defended the statement XD Some people are easy prey it seems ^^
Yeah, I saw this, it looked legit to me and that made me not want to play HotS...
I was pretty disappointed with the campaign for Wings of Liberty as it was, particularly the nature of the story and characters feeling throwaway and this just made my jaw drop it seemed so wrong...
Also, if Kerrigan becomes all fucked up again... What the fuck was the whole point of WoL?
maybe just cleaning her mind? so the deinfestation was not the primary goal but to stop the invasion and maybe free her from the influence of the darkvoice. i don't think kerri was under the control of the darkvoice, but many people think she was, so it maybe could be...
Guys, that scene with the mutalisks going back into the clouds seemed a LOT like the ending shown in one of the videos. I'll get time-stamps in a second... At 1:17 of the new trailer
Is it time to re-open this discussion? If not, I apologize for opening the thread again.
On February 27 2013 09:08 ShowTheLights wrote: Guys, that scene with the mutalisks going back into the clouds seemed a LOT like the ending shown in one of the videos. I'll get time-stamps in a second... At 1:17 of the new trailer
Is it time to re-open this discussion? If not, I apologize for opening the thread again.
If it is the same then Blizzard needs some better writers.
Hope Hots ending is tragic, with Kerrigan on top, and LotV ending is even more tragic. Enough cheesey good ending bullshit. Keep Broodwar legacy intact.
I never really doubted that the leaked ending was fake.
The leaked ending fits with Blizzard's recent cinematic style and their string of terribly written, cheesy, Disney endings. So it was always obvious that this was real. What sealed the deal for me was Infested Kerrigan on the HotS box.
On February 27 2013 15:57 NightOfTheDead wrote: Hope Hots ending is tragic, with Kerrigan on top, and LotV ending is even more tragic. Enough cheesey good ending bullshit. Keep Broodwar legacy intact.
On February 27 2013 15:57 NightOfTheDead wrote: Hope Hots ending is tragic, with Kerrigan on top, and LotV ending is even more tragic. Enough cheesey good ending bullshit. Keep Broodwar legacy intact.
Out of all blizzard games WC3 + TFT had IMO the most interesting plot. Additionally I like the whole Warcraft world with its characters and I have read most of blizzard books although they are not literature masterpieces. I read fantasy and sci-fi books on daily basis so it may affect my judgement a little .
On HotS plot , well ... RTS arent really plot based games as RPG ones are , I love SC2 single player for its diversity and fun mechanics in some missions.
On February 28 2013 07:35 Denda Reloaded wrote: Omg Existor why do you spoiler everything!?!??! Ist it exactly the same as the leaked or was the dialogue at least changed?
On February 28 2013 07:37 Denda Reloaded wrote: Okok, i just meant that picture. could you post a link of the video? i won't watch it completely, but is it exactly the same as the leaked one?
I can't link to the video, because it's just on the main page
oh so it's not the whole video, bless god. but yeah, spoiling the end with ads is kinda stupid. but who knows, maybe this is not the end (ignoring all the achievement spoilers). there is still hope
On February 27 2013 15:57 NightOfTheDead wrote: Hope Hots ending is tragic, with Kerrigan on top, and LotV ending is even more tragic. Enough cheesey good ending bullshit. Keep Broodwar legacy intact.
Brood War's story was pretty awful though.
You mean WoL story is better?
They ruined WoL story by killing Tychus which was one of the few characters that could make the story actually interesting. But of course they had to go cheesy and kill my favorite guy
@Existor yeah thx i believed you right from the start, chill :D
I've seen the add today. Still, it is weird that Blizz puts that scene into an add knowing the whole community knows the leaked ending... time will tell
Why are so sure it is exactly 'end' scene of Hots? Throughout WoL there were some scenes that without knowing the plot, you could say the same, cause they seem similar to 'end' scene. It easily could be end of Mengsk at the mid of Hots, as they begin to pursue other things.
Don't mind it being the ending to be honest. I am more interested to see the interaction between the characters and so the ending doesn't really bother me too too much
I think kerrigan splits into two later....but i'm not 100% certain on that....because if you watch the newest SC2 trailer....you can see QoB fighting human kerrigan....
this is a nice way for them to get less crap about the leaked ending cause we all saw it.. and if we were playing the game and saw the exact same thing we would get mad.. this way they spoil it bit by bit so just few people get mad at a time lol
The new Vengeance trailer really did sort of confirm the leaked ending is true. There's the Viking scene that Existor posted. But also in the leaked ending the beginning building (Mengk's tower I suppose) is the exact same as the trailer's. The final scene where Mutalisks go into the sky while a whirlwind is coming down is also in the new trailer. And a bonus is the fact that in the leaked ending they say "Vengeance" like 10 times and the new trailer is aptly named "Vengeance".
Kinda sad they decided to keep it like that. Its obviously still speculation, but I suppose once they had that much done they wouldn't scrape all the money spent on it already.
On February 28 2013 22:26 KOtical wrote: thanks for the infos and the video.... looks pretty cool that thing... i didnt knew hots i going to have "boss battles". im excited for it!
It's already listed about bosses on the HOTS preview page
On February 28 2013 22:21 Andr3 wrote: What's the main reason people are troubled about the leaked ending? Because it's cheesey? Everything so far has been cheesey in blizzard games.
On February 28 2013 22:21 Andr3 wrote: What's the main reason people are troubled about the leaked ending? Because it's cheesey? Everything so far has been cheesey in blizzard games.
Because Mengsk dies? I think it's his time already, he's been alive for far too long given how much blizzard loves to kill their characters.
The speech Kerrigan gives? I don't understand. The ending seems normal to me, nothing special nothing bad.
The writing is absolutely horrific. Not only that, it's a complete rip-off and re-hashing of previous Blizzard storylines.
Both SC/WC have their roots in Warhammer's universe. In a sense they're both rip-off's from that. WC3's story is quite similar to SC as well(especially arthas(lk)/QoB).
The orc invasion is just a stylized LotR. Sargeras being the all great evil that he is corrupts Medvih etc. And as far as SC is concerned you need only to play the original campaign and watch the cinematics(space-cowboys clearly).
Diablo might be more original, but there's far too many heaven vs hell stories out there already.
Writing has never been Blizzard's strong suit, but a lot of their characters are quite memorable(Grom,Thrall,Tassadar...). Cinematics having a big role in this which is something that Blizzard always does good.
Enjoy HotS for the missions, the campaign in general but don't expect too much from the story because it's not what Blizzard does correct.
Read books for good stories, there's but a few games that have had a touch of brilliance when it comes to story.
On February 28 2013 22:21 Andr3 wrote: What's the main reason people are troubled about the leaked ending? Because it's cheesey? Everything so far has been cheesey in blizzard games.
Because Mengsk dies? I think it's his time already, he's been alive for far too long given how much blizzard loves to kill their characters.
The speech Kerrigan gives? I don't understand. The ending seems normal to me, nothing special nothing bad.
The Zerg aren't bad guys... they're just misunderstood...
On February 28 2013 23:30 Andr3 wrote: When hasn't it been horrific?
Both SC/WC have their roots in Warhammer's universe. In a sense they're both rip-off's from that. WC3's story is quite similar to SC as well(especially arthas(lk)/QoB).
The orc invasion is just a stylized LotR. Sargeras being the all great evil that he is corrupts Medvih etc. And as far as SC is concerned you need only to play the original campaign and watch the cinematics(space-cowboys clearly).
Diablo might be more original, but there's far too many heaven vs hell stories out there already.
Writing has never been Blizzard's strong suit, but a lot of their characters are quite memorable(Grom,Thrall,Tassadar...). Cinematics having a big role in this which is something that Blizzard always does good.
Enjoy HotS for the missions, the campaign in general but don't expect too much from the story because it's not what Blizzard does correct.
Read books for good stories, there's but a few games that have had a touch of brilliance when it comes to story.
Complaining the writing is poor is like complaining that the narrative of a pickup WarHammer game is bad -_- you play for the game. If you want a story you go read the books sold on the side. In general the lore is good, in specifics its so so cheesy
^I don't understand your reply. That's what I wanted to convey as well, sorry if I failed.
And I do agree that the lore is generally good, it's quite expansive..especially the WC one.
@paralleluniverse, that's what blizzard decided to do, screw it. Look at RoC ending, orcs/humans joining together after so much history of hate. If blizzard is going down that path again with SC so be it, if anything we'll remember the characters and not the story and the dialogues.
On February 28 2013 22:21 Andr3 wrote: What's the main reason people are troubled about the leaked ending? Because it's cheesey? Everything so far has been cheesey in blizzard games.
Because Mengsk dies? I think it's his time already, he's been alive for far too long given how much blizzard loves to kill their characters.
The speech Kerrigan gives? I don't understand. The ending seems normal to me, nothing special nothing bad.
It's because of the 'Veangence' thing and making Mengsk a powerful evil villain. If u played BW, you'd know that kerrigan had 2 major occasions to kill Mengsk: - once she destroyed Fenix and Duke on Korhal, she could kill him, but she let him live intentionally - after the final mission - she killed every single bit of UED, so chasing down Mengsk was certainly in her power
During the final mission, Mengsk also stated he brought every ship, asked every favor he could. Everything was destroyed, yet in just 4 years he rebuilds the Dominion into full power.
Moreover, Jim finally sworn to kill Kerrigan, and that was his main goal after BW, not revolution, because the Dominion was shattered anyway.
And that's what's pissing me off - they act like brood war never happened.
On March 01 2013 00:33 Andr3 wrote: ^I don't understand your reply. That's what I wanted to convey as well, sorry if I failed.
And I do agree that the lore is generally good, it's quite expansive..especially the WC one.
@paralleluniverse, that's what blizzard decided to do, screw it. Look at RoC ending, orcs/humans joining together after so much history of hate. If blizzard is going down that path again with SC so be it, if anything we'll remember the characters and not the story and the dialogues.
Naw, just wanted to add to your discussion but in a more direct example relating to warhammer ^^
On February 28 2013 22:21 Andr3 wrote: What's the main reason people are troubled about the leaked ending? Because it's cheesey? Everything so far has been cheesey in blizzard games.
Because Mengsk dies? I think it's his time already, he's been alive for far too long given how much blizzard loves to kill their characters.
The speech Kerrigan gives? I don't understand. The ending seems normal to me, nothing special nothing bad.
It's because of the 'Veangence' thing and making Mengsk a powerful evil villain. If u played BW, you'd know that kerrigan had 2 major occasions to kill Mengsk: - once she destroyed Fenix and Duke on Korhal, she could kill him, but she let him live intentionally - after the final mission - she killed every single bit of UED, so chasing down Mengsk was certainly in her power
During the final mission, Mengsk also stated he brought every ship, asked every favor he could. Everything was destroyed, yet in just 4 years he rebuilds the Dominion into full power.
Moreover, Jim finally sworn to kill Kerrigan, and that was his main goal after BW, not revolution, because the Dominion was shattered anyway.
And that's what's pissing me off - they act like brood war never happened.
Jut noticed this as well while comparing all the cinemas shots we got from the expansion and compared it to the leaked one. What truly got me was + Show Spoiler +
at the end when she kills mensk they do a close up on her eyes/face and the expression she has in the leaked version is identical to one of the cinematic, its so dammn obvious that that part of the cinematic was taken from this scene.
On February 28 2013 15:44 NightOfTheDead wrote: Why are so sure it is exactly 'end' scene of Hots? Throughout WoL there were some scenes that without knowing the plot, you could say the same, cause they seem similar to 'end' scene. It easily could be end of Mengsk at the mid of Hots, as they begin to pursue other things.
That doesn't fit at all, somethings wrong. Blizzard knowing that the "end" has leaked and that half of the community has seen it... and then, firstly, bringing it up in the ads (so they basically spoil/confirm the rest of the cinematic), and secondly just the fact, that they include so many scenes from the ending, that it is just horrible.
Like really, i am not sure if Blizzard would do that. Including 50% of the end in the ads and also knowing that every one will recognize it.
Maybe it's really not the ending... maybe just a cinematic after the first of the 3 final missions? (hopefully) still, we have the evidence that it is the ending, but Blizz isn't that stupid.
edit: yeah Existor posts bash everything that walked the face of earth <3
i randomly try to load videos on youtube to see that new add. do we know the speech? are there other scenes? no i guess...
if there would be a god i would pray that this is not the ending or that the marketing team is not that stupid.
Unfortunately, it seems like this ad isn't available on german. i just don't get this one, i got 99 ads and non of those was hots-related... at least the on eon the mainpage
On March 01 2013 01:23 Integra wrote: Jut noticed this as well while comparing all the cinemas shots we got from the expansion and compared it to the leaked one. What truly got me was + Show Spoiler +
at the end when she kills mensk they do a close up on her eyes/face and the expression she has in the leaked version is identical to one of the cinematic, its so dammn obvious that that part of the cinematic was taken from this scene.
Also the mutas flying underneath the maelstrom (swirly storm) is identical to the leaked ending.
My guess is they cut the "zerg belong to no one" part cause that was just dumb, but knowing blizz they probably kept in the infamous "this isn't vengeance... THIS IS JUSTICE" line.
at least "this was sparta" was not as stupidly set as "this is #vengeance!!!1" (maybe they even feature kerrigan kicking Mengsk out of the window with her heels <3<3
Btw the scene with the mutas flying under the maelstrom don't look CGI, so it's not from the ending, but from the ingame cinematics where Kerrigan is reborn on Zerus. The maelstrom itself is on Zerus (you can see the surface beneath the maelstrom, with jungle and rivers. Korhal doesn't even have rivers.
On February 28 2013 22:21 Andr3 wrote: What's the main reason people are troubled about the leaked ending? Because it's cheesey? Everything so far has been cheesey in blizzard games.
Because Mengsk dies? I think it's his time already, he's been alive for far too long given how much blizzard loves to kill their characters.
The speech Kerrigan gives? I don't understand. The ending seems normal to me, nothing special nothing bad.
It's because of the 'Veangence' thing and making Mengsk a powerful evil villain. If u played BW, you'd know that kerrigan had 2 major occasions to kill Mengsk: - once she destroyed Fenix and Duke on Korhal, she could kill him, but she let him live intentionally - after the final mission - she killed every single bit of UED, so chasing down Mengsk was certainly in her power
During the final mission, Mengsk also stated he brought every ship, asked every favor he could. Everything was destroyed, yet in just 4 years he rebuilds the Dominion into full power.
Moreover, Jim finally sworn to kill Kerrigan, and that was his main goal after BW, not revolution, because the Dominion was shattered anyway.
And that's what's pissing me off - they act like brood war never happened.
Everything you said makes perfect sense, but there's one thing. Didn't Blizzard say Queen of Blades(BW timeline) and what we have now..which is Kerrigan with zerg hair are TWO-DISTINCT personalities?
Maybe it's explained in the books, I don't know. It's still a bit of a stretch but it would make more sense. The pre-infested Kerrigan would definitely be angry with what Mengsk has done.
(hey you know that one time when you left me to the zerg??)
As the QoB Kerrigan didn't give 2 shits about Mengsk, she had other things to worry about. Her human personality was gone and the emotions with it, as the feeling of #vengeance. Now, with her true persona returned, she gained her emotions, the human feelings, that are angry at Mengsk.
I don't think i could expalin that more easy, Flashpoint made that out kinda clear. Also, Kerrigan knows that Mengsk tried to kill her many times:
Back then on Tarsonis, with Tychus, after she was rescued by Raynor and Valerian, on the Promethues-Station with Narud etc. And she isn't stupid, Mengsk will try on and she has to kill him in order to survive.
You know, I'd be perfectly happy with the leaked ending cinematic if they just redo the voice acting so it isn't so fucking cheesy.
Seriously, there's a fucking 100000% difference between these scenes if Blizzard went all-out and made Kerrigan badass.
It's not the visuals that are bad at all, it's the fucking one liners flopping around all over the place like dead fish and the cliché, over used, "why can't we be friends, Sméagol is free!" dialogue vomiting all over my ears.
I don't think, at this point at least, that we can hope for a different render....at least visually. But I'm praying to some sort of god that they redid the dialogue.
no i really liked the visuals of the previs (i mean, it was a previs, but the scenes itself were strong). what made me cry and broke my heart and shattered it all over my keyboard was the dialogue of course. and i am afraid of blizzard finding it epic or whatever.
but maybe they will take the hate of the fans to heart and change the dialogue, which was ofc a placeholder (not even kerrigans/mengsks voice)
On March 01 2013 04:40 Qwyn wrote: You know, I'd be perfectly happy with the leaked ending cinematic if they just redo the voice acting so it isn't so fucking cheesy.
Seriously, there's a fucking 100000% difference between these scenes if Blizzard went all-out and made Kerrigan badass.
It's not the visuals that are bad at all, it's the fucking one liners flopping around all over the place like dead fish and the cliché, over used, "why can't we be friends, Sméagol is free!" dialogue vomiting all over my ears.
I don't think, at this point at least, that we can hope for a different render....at least visually. But I'm praying to some sort of god that they redid the dialogue.
On March 01 2013 04:51 Denda Reloaded wrote: @Existor where is that picture with the angry Kerri from row 4 from? doesn't look cgi either, more like the zerus cinematic. my 2 cents...
And can anyone post a link to the ads/spots if they are uploaded anywhere?
It was taken from one of HOTS advertisments from kanobu.ru or ag.ru. And I think it's happens on Zerus, because we already saw her "rage with glowing eyes" form in different scenes in trailer.
On March 01 2013 05:44 Denda Reloaded wrote: and why then post it to the hots ending comparison?
could you post the link if you find it at chance?
I already posted links in my post. Kanobu.ru and ag.ru. It advertisment blocks there is somtimes HOTS which shows parts of trailer and sometimes it shows scenes which wasnt in the Vengeance trailer
And that scene seems to me the most similariest to vengeance-justice-explode scene in leaked video.
Those speculations are just my speculations. Everything can be changed, like that whirlwil of storming clouds and swarms can be in a different part of story rather than at the end like in leaked ending
On March 01 2013 06:54 probeater wrote: who cares its just a made up story
WTF? I thought zerg/protoss are real. My world is shattered.
But I do wonder what will happen in LotV if the leaked ending is true. Zerg being "good" seems a bit weird. "yea lol sorry we destroyed your homeworld, no hard feelings"
Wasn't it hinted in one of the blizzcons Zeratul will be trying to unite the protoss tribes to fight against zerg/hybrids? Don't know how zerg would be a threat to anyone if leaked ending is what it is.
If there are spoilers can there be appropriated spoiler tags at least in the title or in posts? It would be appreciated by individuals like myself, who maybe came to discuss the fact that such content was leaked and less perhaps the actual content....
On March 01 2013 06:54 probeater wrote: who cares its just a made up story
WTF? I thought zerg/protoss are real. My world is shattered.
But I do wonder what will happen in LotV if the leaked ending is true. Zerg being "good" seems a bit weird. "yea lol sorry we destroyed your homeworld, no hard feelings"
Wasn't it hinted in one of the blizzcons Zeratul will be trying to unite the protoss tribes to fight against zerg/hybrids? Don't know how zerg would be a threat to anyone if leaked ending is what it is.
I doubt it really means "Zerg is now good". It's more like "Zerg is now free to do whatever they want and don't always to Dark Voice's will anymore". Whether they become good or evil is now based on their instincts, brood leaders, so far and so forth.
On March 01 2013 08:31 TheSwagger wrote: If there are spoilers can there be appropriated spoiler tags at least in the title or in posts? It would be appreciated by individuals like myself, who maybe came to discuss the fact that such content was leaked and less perhaps the actual content....
"Leaked ending" - which word says that there can't be spoilers?
On March 01 2013 08:31 TheSwagger wrote: If there are spoilers can there be appropriated spoiler tags at least in the title or in posts? It would be appreciated by individuals like myself, who maybe came to discuss the fact that such content was leaked and less perhaps the actual content....
to put it bluntly, no, you're coming to the thread for the wrong reasons.
Did they say the whole starcraft story is going to end in LotV? I won't be surprised if they have a really open ending for future starcraft games developement
On March 01 2013 13:44 ETisME wrote: Did they say the whole starcraft story is going to end in LotV? I won't be surprised if they have a really open ending for future starcraft games developement
It would be really cool if they just did a total reboot, come to think of it. These clichés are getting a bit tiring.
Actually, who said that the leaked video is the ending? Like, do we know that for sure or is it just speculation? Because it could be just the point of view of whoever got their hands on it, but really be like a few cinematics before ending, meaning the true ending is more epic and not so cheesy. WoL ending was cheesy yes, but it was also epic. We all know Mengsk will get killed by Kerrigan eventually, so Blizz surely has something more right...RIGHT?!
Also, regarding the BW discussion. Raynor resented Kerrigan for Fenix's death, but he's always loved her. Yeah he swore revenge, but revenge on the Queen of Blades, not his human love. The moment the Xel'Naga artifact worked (or he had the hopes of it) that revenge went out the window and all he cared about was getting her back. Also, dont forget Zeratul's prophecy, as much as Raynor wants her dead, he has to save her. Zeratul said so himself.
Regarding Kerrigan not killing Arcturus, come on. Kerrigan is pretty much all powerful. She didn't expect the Xel'Naga artifacts reverting her. She toyed with Arcturus before, never killing him because to her, he is like a pet rat (no offense to rats). She taunts him about being able to kill him whenever, she HAS the whole Zerg Swarm. She didn't need to kill him, she punished him just by letting him know he'd always be below her and she'd be in control. That's why she never killed him. The moment she got back to being a human, she remembered what he did, and just like Raynor, she despises him and wants him dead. Thus the vengeance.
The story isnt scratching what happened in BW. It DID happen, but theres alot more than just one feeling or one account. These are characters that are going up and down, even Kerrigan.
Regarding how Mengsk got the Dominion back after it was pretty much destroyed, I suppose if you bring the fringe worlds together and enlist more people again, you can get back pretty fast. Remember the Confederacy and even the early Mengsk empire snubbed the fringe worlds. In times of need you can just force them or call upon them to help rebuild the empire again. One of the Blizzard short stories sort of hint on this. Enlistments for the Dominion and such.
from the achievements we know that the final missions will be on Korhal. Thus the leaked "ending" will happen there. maybe not after the last mission, but after the 1st korhal mission. Still, i think it is the real ending, Blizz wouldn't make another storyline after the main theme of the game "completed"
from the achievements we know that the final missions will be on Korhal. Thus the leaked "ending" will happen there. maybe not after the last mission, but after the 1st korhal mission. Still, i think it is the real ending, Blizz wouldn't make another storyline after the main theme of the game "completed"
Lol My bad, totally didn't see that. Well so be it then. I hope there's abit more to the cinematic or something, but if not, as long as it looks epic and the story backs it up nicely. Itll be great.
I really hope that the leaked one is the actual ending (with some less cheesy dialog maybe). I like the idea that the zerg are now free to do whatever the fuck they want. And I don't see how this is some hollywood cliche ending, nowhere did the ending imply that the zerg will now be cute do goodies that will save everybody. Might as well just continue fucking up the toss in LotV just now they will do it for t3h lulz instead of some dark voice thingy master.
Well my guess is that her human side will feel regret and try to redeem herself by helping the toss stop the big bad wolf in anyway possible. She should still have her psionic bad-ass mofo powers and maybe even a small group of zergs that willingly want to follow her around and chill with her.
basically she will be as irrelevant as katy perry, so yeah, i wouldn't embrace the idea of kerrigan not leading the zerg.
Anyway, i noticed something: the scenes where kerrigan is in that blue xel'naga temple, she is in the crystal (which explodes). the scene where the human kerrigan battles her seems also to be there, as some shapes seem similar. Still, i thought this would be human kerrigan against WoL Kerrigan (without her free will). But the infested leg has the purple lighting on it, so it's the new kerrigan, with her human persona already.
maybe, but doubting: Maybe they changed the ending to the human clone kerrigan attacking the infested one at the end? so mengsk doesn't use his zippo to kill kerri, but tried to use the clone itself? but still, it didn't look cgi, so it's not the ending i guess. also the lighting is very different, i guess it's in the temple.
On March 01 2013 23:22 Denda Reloaded wrote: basically she will be as irrelevant as katy perry, so yeah, i wouldn't embrace the idea of kerrigan not leading the zerg.
Anyway, i noticed something: the scenes where kerrigan is in that blue xel'naga temple, she is in the crystal (which explodes). the scene where the human kerrigan battles her seems also to be there, as some shapes seem similar. Still, i thought this would be human kerrigan against WoL Kerrigan (without her free will). But the infested leg has the purple lighting on it, so it's the new kerrigan, with her human persona already.
maybe, but doubting: Maybe they changed the ending to the human clone kerrigan attacking the infested one at the end? so mengsk doesn't use his zippo to kill kerri, but tried to use the clone itself? but still, it didn't look cgi, so it's not the ending i guess. also the lighting is very different, i guess it's in the temple.
I still think it's a dream sequence where Kerrigan's different personalities battle each other for control of her mind.
i thought about an inner conflict too, or maybe something with zeratul. an illusion? But i though the purple kerri already has her personality. the one from WoL hadn't. if the human one would battle the WoL/BW kerri that would make sense, but not if 2 kerris with the same personalities and only different looks battle each other.
On March 01 2013 23:31 Denda Reloaded wrote: i thought about an inner conflict too, or maybe something with zeratul. an illusion? But i though the purple kerri already has her personality. the one from WoL hadn't. if the human one would battle the WoL/BW kerri that would make sense, but not if 2 kerris with the same personalities and only different looks battle each other.
I think the Infested Kerrigan represents a feral, "evil" Queen of Blades since she does seem to attack Raynor during the scene although I think appearances are deceiving in this dream sequence. I think the clone theory is very implausible.
oh that could also be. but what does that flashback show? the part where she got brainwashed and was implented with some shit? and now mengsk uses it against her? that would explain "did you honestly think i would keep some animal like you close to me without some kind of insurance policy?" so he refers to the time they were working together when she was human :OO
i always thought that (back then in 2010) mengsk kinda worked together with her after WoL (maybe unwillingly) and that clone was somehow mentally connected to her.
but the theory with the flashback makes sense and i like it more. i never liked the clone thing, but i thought it was true.
btw, if it just was a flashback of her brainwashing, why does she have a barcode on her forehead? and why does she scream like that? i guess it's maybe still the cheap-clone-storyline :OO
On March 02 2013 00:41 Denda Reloaded wrote: btw, if it just was a flashback of her brainwashing, why does she have a barcode on her forehead? and why does she scream like that? i guess it's maybe still the cheap-clone-storyline :OO
My theory is it's a flashback to when she was first introduced into the ghost program. They probably did that to all initiates.
from the achievements we know that the final missions will be on Korhal. Thus the leaked "ending" will happen there. maybe not after the last mission, but after the 1st korhal mission. Still, i think it is the real ending, Blizz wouldn't make another storyline after the main theme of the game "completed"
Is there a Hots achievements list out? If so where?
On March 02 2013 01:36 Denda Reloaded wrote: the barcode? but that wouldn't make any sense, concerning the device Mengsk uses to torture her.
According to the Starcrat wikia (which looks messed up right now along with other wikia sites), Kerrigan was fitted with a neural inhibitor to inhibit her psionic abilities prior to receiving training for the ghost program. She was later captured by Mengsk and his Sons of Korhal rebels, who removed the neural inhibitor but left some of the implants intact. I think it was here that Mengsk secretly left the torture device as a close-range fail-safe in the event she ever went rogue and tried to kill him.
Messed up? 90% of the photos don't load for me for a year right now :D
But Kerrigan undid all the psychic damage that was made to her when she invaded the Amerigo. I think her organism also expelled that device, wouldn't it?
Your "theory" (facts) would make sense, as Mengsk already knew who Kerrigan was at that time.
There is one skeptical thing about the ending. When we see the HoTs ending photo, it's all in ruins as well as we see in vengence trailer that Mengsk office gets blown up. Thus how does Raynor survive if he is right beside Kerrigan which'll use her power to blow up things?
erm. Kerri blows the wall off, not the whole floor, i would guess. also, i thought that the explosion scene form the vengeance trailer is not the ending, but i think it will be. both cgi and i doubt we will see the palace twice.
On March 02 2013 01:36 Denda Reloaded wrote: the barcode? but that wouldn't make any sense, concerning the device Mengsk uses to torture her.
According to the Starcrat wikia (which looks messed up right now along with other wikia sites), Kerrigan was fitted with a neural inhibitor to inhibit her psionic abilities prior to receiving training for the ghost program. She was later captured by Mengsk and his Sons of Korhal rebels, who removed the neural inhibitor but left some of the implants intact. I think it was here that Mengsk secretly left the torture device as a close-range fail-safe in the event she ever went rogue and tried to kill him.
^ This.
Kerrigan and all other Ghosts have a neural inhibitor implanted before being accepted into the Ghost Program. This allowed the Confederacy, and later the Dominion, to control the Ghosts and make massive killings without them questioning the civility of it. Nova has this as well. Tosh did too at some point. Those who got it off or overcame it went rogue and became Spectres with the guidance of Tosh. [Nova: Spectres & Ghost Academy] Nova was almost transformed into one.
Kerrigan is captured by Mengsk and is most likely left with the other implants because it was her who decapitated his father. The other 2 ghosts who killed his mother and sister got killed, but he spared Kerrigan (irony). [I Mengsk & Uprising]
So yes, it is a flashback. As far as I've read there doesn't seem to be any human clones around in StarCraft, other than infested ones. So I doubt it is a clone.
On a separate note. I feel like Blizzard underestimated the power of the SC fanbase in terms of how much they would compare screenshots of the trailers and the known leaked ending. XD They all but confirmed it lol
yes they do. those trailers are made for hype and raise sells, not for hardcore fans. most of the not-hardcore-fans though it was nova (while it was human kerrigan) or didn't even notice there was something, only watching it once and seeing lots of meaningless action.
so, yeah, they don't give a damn about us fanboys c:
On March 01 2013 08:31 TheSwagger wrote: If there are spoilers can there be appropriated spoiler tags at least in the title or in posts? It would be appreciated by individuals like myself, who maybe came to discuss the fact that such content was leaked and less perhaps the actual content....
to put it bluntly, no, you're coming to the thread for the wrong reasons.
The wrong reasons? I disagree, the threads title is ambiguous. I'm asking for an edit for clarity, it's not unreasonable at all, if we're being "blunt" about it. I realize people want their threads read and responded to, but this isnt the New York Times or Chicago Tribune; you dont need mysticized or ambiguous titles here. I think there is a clever and yet clear way to describe the threads content in the title like : "Discuss the leaked ending here" [D], or "[D]I cant believe the ending was leaked."
At this point I'm only praying for the awesome campaign missions, I couldn't care less about the story. Regardless whether the leaked ending is the actual ending, the mid-game cutscene or (preferably) just a concept which is mercifully scrapped, the trailer still makes it blatantly obvious that Starcraft 2's story is still a depressingly un-epic retcon love story between two depressingly uninteresting characters.
I still get goosebumps when watching the Brood War intro movie, btw. It still holds up so well, even with the horribly aged graphics. Such a shame.
On March 01 2013 08:31 TheSwagger wrote: If there are spoilers can there be appropriated spoiler tags at least in the title or in posts? It would be appreciated by individuals like myself, who maybe came to discuss the fact that such content was leaked and less perhaps the actual content....
to put it bluntly, no, you're coming to the thread for the wrong reasons.
The wrong reasons? I disagree, the threads title is ambiguous. I'm asking for an edit for clarity, it's not unreasonable at all, if we're being "blunt" about it. I realize people want their threads read and responded to, but this isnt the New York Times or Chicago Tribune; you dont need mysticized or ambiguous titles here. I think there is a clever and yet clear way to describe the threads content in the title like : "Discuss the leaked ending here" [D], or "[D]I cant believe the ending was leaked."
You're new around here, its okay, to put it bluntly again NO. If you want to discuss possible endings or what ever the hell you wanted to talk about, do it in other thread, labeled accordingly to your tastes. Don't ever click on "Leaked" titles if you don't want to be spoilered, it really is as simple as that. We've already gone through this with all kinds of tournament results, if you don't want to know who won because you didn't see the game, DON'T COME TO TEAM LIQUID UNTIL YOU WATCHED IT.
Same applies here, if you want to "discuss" possible ending for HOTS, go ahead, make your own thread as I stated above, but there is no way in hell you wouldn't expect friggin spoilers in a "LEAKED" thread ffs, get over yourself.
Edit-The fact you even came back proves it really isn't that big of a deal if you're willing to read pages upon pages of shit.
On March 06 2013 01:04 baba44713 wrote: At this point I'm only praying for the awesome campaign missions, I couldn't care less about the story. Regardless whether the leaked ending is the actual ending, the mid-game cutscene or (preferably) just a concept which is mercifully scrapped, the trailer still makes it blatantly obvious that Starcraft 2's story is still a depressingly un-epic retcon love story between two depressingly uninteresting characters.
I still get goosebumps when watching the Brood War intro movie, btw. It still holds up so well, even with the horribly aged graphics. Such a shame.
Your talking about starcraft 1 right ? where it all was about Raynor and Kerrigan saving the galaxy and having a relationship? But Sc2 basically copys all the story elements of Sc1 just exchanging the end boss with something new, so it is easy to get confused. The biggest difference is that they cut the player being a silent commander, but being a silent observer of the main character now. So you are able to get a bit more of an insight into their personal feelings. Okay a few story bits are pointed out heavier and other seem a bit smaller that way.
But I felt like I was replaying Sc1 when I played WoL (Raynor fighting the Evil Terran Empire and helps saving the Sector from the Zerg). And yeah HotS sounds exactly like Broodwar ... poor Kerrigan needing help to get control over the swarm again and then rolls over everyone, that opposes her. If they wouldn't try to attach you emotionally to Kerrigan, there would probably a non faceless Marine in the Intro with a few lines, just like in bw. (Though I think mister Viking would be perfect)
I would be more worried about LotV. Because that could turn into a MassEffect3, gather allies to fight the periodically returning endboss that wipes the sector everytime. Guess I don't have to say what Zeratul will have to do at the end, when the Void wants to use the temple on Shakuras to end everything.
But it looks so weird if someone is praising Sc1s story while hating on the Sc2 story. I would understand comments like I dislike sc2 because sc1 left me with so many holes that I could fill to my liking. But if someone hates everything in Sc2 it is just strange.
The difference in sc1 and 2 isn't the actual story. It's the characters and the development and usage of those characters. Sc2 is raynor raynor raynor raynor raynor. And that's it. You have a few random asshats in your ship that don't actually contribute to the story. In sc1 you had all sorts of different hero characters that did their own things for different reasons. In sc2 everyone follows raynor except at the very end with tychus. They don't have any personality. It's like robots.
On March 06 2013 03:19 FeyFey wrote: Your talking about starcraft 1 right ? where it all was about Raynor and Kerrigan saving the galaxy and having a relationship?
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But it looks so weird if someone is praising Sc1s story while hating on the Sc2 story. I would understand comments like I dislike sc2 because sc1 left me with so many holes that I could fill to my liking. But if someone hates everything in Sc2 it is just strange.
Well, I'm confused here. SC1 was anything but Raynor and Kerrigan saving the galaxy and having the relationship. And it didn't leave any holes as I can remember, except for that secret Protoss mission which subtly introduced hybrids as a possible new enemy. So I truly do not know what you're talking about. And I do not hate *everything* in SC2, I like the multiplayer and I like the actual missions. It's just the story that is lazy, childish and woefully simplistic.
In SC1 you were a part of a large, bleak intergalactic conflict, with the expansion actually daring to make the story even more complex by introducing additional fractions of the races and upping the ante significantly. And then comes along WoL where you play as retconned-and-newly-haired-up-emo-Raynor trying to save his mortal-enemy-now-retconned-into-his-long-lost-love. The continuation? Kerrigan getting revenge on Mengsk, a rehash of a conflict already dealt with in the final missions in Brood War where it was blatantly obvious Kerrigan has moved way past such petty human squabbles.
As far as I can see, instead of going forward, the story is moving backwards and erasing what was actually good about this world in the first place.. so in my book storyline-wise Starcraft is now just an empty shell and a playground for hopefully entertaining campaign missions. Which by itself I guess is not that bad, all things considered.
Exactly that, isn't there some end mission cut scene(i think its the one in BW where you have to kill the protoss/terran forces after they've been sleeping or w/e on the desert esque map.) where Jim says he'll track her to the ends of the galaxy to have his revenge? And yet now he's just kinda forgotten all about that and just accepts that his "lover" simply murdered a couple billion people(including Raynor's own men) lol.
On March 06 2013 03:19 FeyFey wrote: Your talking about starcraft 1 right ? where it all was about Raynor and Kerrigan saving the galaxy and having a relationship?
Er, he has some "dirty" thoughts about her in their first meeting and gets called a pig. Later on, he calls her "darlin'" a few times. In what world does that constitute a romantic relationship?
Why are people saying Jim forgot about his revenge from BW?
Blizzard has made it clear that the new Kerrigan =/= Queen Of Blades/Old Kerrigan, they're two different personalities. As far as I'm concerned he did fulfill his revenge in a way when he activated the artifact.
I don't see a hole there, there are bunch of others though.
On March 06 2013 05:04 Andr3 wrote: Why are people saying Jim forgot about his revenge from BW?
Blizzard has made it clear that the new Kerrigan =/= Queen Of Blades/Old Kerrigan, they're two different personalities. As far as I'm concerned he did fulfill his revenge in a way when he activated the artifact.
I don't see a hole there, there are bunch of others though.
WoL is concentrated on a specific view point (Jim's) wheras sc1 - bw were more concentraded one the whole plot ( Overmind aiming to reach perfection, Sons of khoral vs the confederacy, UED vs Mengsk empire, Protoss vs zerg, Protoss Council vs Tassadar, Council vs dark templar, and some more). Anyway there seems to be only 4 characters that cannot be asigned to any of the conflict side - Jim (a vagabond, that cannot find his place), Kerrigan (the swarm bitch that expected to achive something of a great magnitude), Samir Duran (an non-defined traitor that brings multitude of questions) and Zeratul (the seeking one that looks for answers)
On March 06 2013 05:04 Andr3 wrote: Why are people saying Jim forgot about his revenge from BW?
Blizzard has made it clear that the new Kerrigan =/= Queen Of Blades/Old Kerrigan, they're two different personalities. As far as I'm concerned he did fulfill his revenge in a way when he activated the artifact.
I don't see a hole there, there are bunch of others though.
The hole is the entire revenge plot is never mentioned. At the very start of WoL, Raynor is pining over the loss of Kerrigan to the Zerg. He has her photo up on the wall. When she reappears there's no mention of him trying to find her and kill her (and this is before he knows there's a magical deus ex machina artifact that can dezergify people) - a far cry from the vow he makes in Broodwar.
A lot of people here view the SC/BW story line through nostalgia tinted glasses - ultimately it's a humans vs. bug aliens story with a "great ancient evil reawakening" story tacked on, but it's characters were at least interesting and the writing felt fresh. WoL is just so poorly written, I hardly cared about any of the characters I loved in the first two games - they were basically different people.
^That's explained by the fact he has all but given up on the idea of realistically making any move against QoB.
I believe Blizzard said time itself was the only factor for that decision, because it doesn't seem realistic that a person would hold a grudge for such a long time.(WoL happens 4 years after BW events anyway) It's also why he starts drinking, nothing better than to drown sorrow in whiskey!
But it probably also has to do with the fact that Jim is a rebel, has very little resources to do anything with and he's up against Mengsk. Meanwhile Kerrigan is an allmighty zerg-bitch which he can't do anything against.
You are right that a mention of the revenge would be sensible, at least when he's contacted by Valerian and the final missions.
And I do agree with you that characters seem to be different. I especially can't get over Kerrigan, mainly because of the new voice. Old one sounded more dominating and "strong", very fitting to the whole queen-of-the-swarm idea.
On March 01 2013 08:31 TheSwagger wrote: If there are spoilers can there be appropriated spoiler tags at least in the title or in posts? It would be appreciated by individuals like myself, who maybe came to discuss the fact that such content was leaked and less perhaps the actual content....
to put it bluntly, no, you're coming to the thread for the wrong reasons.
The wrong reasons? I disagree, the threads title is ambiguous. I'm asking for an edit for clarity, it's not unreasonable at all, if we're being "blunt" about it. I realize people want their threads read and responded to, but this isnt the New York Times or Chicago Tribune; you dont need mysticized or ambiguous titles here. I think there is a clever and yet clear way to describe the threads content in the title like : "Discuss the leaked ending here" [D], or "[D]I cant believe the ending was leaked."
You're new around here, its okay, to put it bluntly again NO. If you want to discuss possible endings or what ever the hell you wanted to talk about, do it in other thread, labeled accordingly to your tastes. Don't ever click on "Leaked" titles if you don't want to be spoilered, it really is as simple as that. We've already gone through this with all kinds of tournament results, if you don't want to know who won because you didn't see the game, DON'T COME TO TEAM LIQUID UNTIL YOU WATCHED IT.
Same applies here, if you want to "discuss" possible ending for HOTS, go ahead, make your own thread as I stated above, but there is no way in hell you wouldn't expect friggin spoilers in a "LEAKED" thread ffs, get over yourself.
Edit-The fact you even came back proves it really isn't that big of a deal if you're willing to read pages upon pages of shit.
The reality is that I wont argue the semantics of "new guys" when you joined 2 months before me, regardless of the fact that how "new" a person is is completely irrelevant to what I said. This isnt about the Post-count dick size either, so stop trying to flex nuts. The fact you didnt comprehend what I said is a good indicator that you're just a troll who was looking for an opportunity to try and display some kind of status over another, "new" poster, which is childish and completely unnecessary. This thread should have spoiler tags, this threads title should be edited. And no, I didnt read all of the content, as soon as I posted my suggestion, I only had to reply to you, avoiding almost all of the spoilers. However, the title is misleading if it was clearer, I would have never entered it, along with other members.
So it's confirmed to be real, that sucks balls. At least they removed that lame nonsense bullshit about liberated zergs looking for the answers amongst the stars.
On March 13 2013 03:20 rj rl wrote: So it's confirmed to be real, that sucks balls. At least they removed that lame nonsense bullshit about liberated zergs looking for the answers amongst the stars.
I am little confused. The campaign left a lot of questions. Like what was the deal with Dark Voice? And clearly Narud isn't Duran, well because Duran was black. So where is Duran? And what was the deal with the Hybrids anyway? After the missions with them they weren't talked about and they just kinda "were there" having no any reason afterall.
On March 13 2013 07:56 SiaBBo wrote: I am little confused. The campaign left a lot of questions. Like what was the deal with Dark Voice? And clearly Narud isn't Duran, well because Duran was black. So where is Duran? And what was the deal with the Hybrids anyway? After the missions with them they weren't talked about and they just kinda "were there" having no any reason afterall.
Narud/Duran is the servant of a dead rogue Xel'Naga, he can transform to anything he want, the looks does not matter at all.
i thought the end scene was really cool even though i already saw the leaked version. The visuals, its the visuals... The dialogue was alright compared to the old version. well, i guess it wasn't really the dialogue at all even in wings... its just at the end of the scene, the dialogue could've used better pronunciation and speech overall... I think everyone thinks the dialogue is cheesy but I think its the lame southern accent and overall speech.
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