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Searched for any similar threads, couldn't find any, although it might just be my search skills failing me as it's 4 in the morning here.
+ Show Spoiler +So I was watching Blizzcon VOD's and some guy were asking about Tychus and about Mengsk wanting to have him kill Kerrigan. Even after Raynor shoots him, why doesn't Mengsk just have the fuckload of Dominion troops on the planet kill her, I mean he could obviously read Tychus' life signs off the transmitter in the suit or whatever. There were what, half of the Dominion fleet?
Even if Raynor helped them and they all fought together and blah blah blah, Mengsk is the damn emperor so he could easily and them all trialed for treason if they refused to kill Kerrigan.
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I have a feeling part of the story of HotS will be Mensk and the Dominion trying to kill Kerrigan. The troops already on Char are probably loyal to their general and now Jim Raynor
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Perhaps, although, if half of the Dominion fleet converted to Raynor's Raiders, well that'd be interesting, also Warfield and Valerian are still there as well if I didn't miss something :o
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On October 24 2010 10:44 ThemAcorns wrote:
Perhaps, although, if half of the Dominion fleet converted to Raynor's Raiders, well that'd be interesting, also Warfield and Valerian are still there as well if I didn't miss something :o
Warfield took terrible, terrible damage. He owed Raynor.
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Raynor changed Warfields opinion of him before the final battle, and Valerian was there without his fathers permission
what i dont get is who was controlling Tychus... unless Valerian was the one instructing him, not Mengsk, it doesnt make sense...
I mean, if Tychus got that close to Raynor under Mengsk, he could have stopped the adjuctant from becoming public, killed Raynor much sooner, why would he specifically want kerrigan dead there, etc etc
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I want the overmind back  He was so cool. I think though that someone else will have control over some Zerg like the Terrans did in BW. And Protoss and Terrans will be intent on killing Kerrigan still and at the end they will find out that the Hybrids are coming and Legacy of the void will mostly be like the Protoss missions in SC1(now BW) where you do all this magic stuff like getting artifacts to certain destinations and killing like 5 bases.
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Honestly, nothing in the storyline makes sense. Just accept it for what it is.
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On October 24 2010 12:33 NevilleS wrote:
Honestly, nothing in the storyline makes sense. Just accept it for what it is.
Yea, SC2 storyline is so terrible it's not even worth taking it seriously.
They retconned everything and dumbened it down for typical 13 yo Halo crowds.
I miss SC1-quality stories and dialogues.
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On October 24 2010 12:39 ArghUScaredMe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:33 NevilleS wrote:
Honestly, nothing in the storyline makes sense. Just accept it for what it is. They retconned everything and dumbened it down for typical 13 yo Halo crowds.
Really sorry, but proving whatever assumptions you made and your personal point of view of the characters wrong is not the same thing as a retcon.
Misinterpretations happen.
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On October 24 2010 12:59 Billy_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:39 ArghUScaredMe wrote:On October 24 2010 12:33 NevilleS wrote:
Honestly, nothing in the storyline makes sense. Just accept it for what it is. They retconned everything and dumbened it down for typical 13 yo Halo crowds. Really sorry, but proving whatever assumptions you made and your personal point of view of the characters wrong is not the same thing as a retcon. Misinterpretations happen.
Terrible writing also happens.
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On October 24 2010 12:06 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Raynor changed Warfields opinion of him before the final battle, and Valerian was there without his fathers permission
what i dont get is who was controlling Tychus... unless Valerian was the one instructing him, not Mengsk, it doesnt make sense...
I mean, if Tychus got that close to Raynor under Mengsk, he could have stopped the adjuctant from becoming public, killed Raynor much sooner, why would he specifically want kerrigan dead there, etc etc
Well, in the last cinematic Tychus says that "He made a deal with the Devil" who I'm guessing is Mengsk and Mengsk promised him that if he killed Kerrigan then he would obtain his freedom which I think means having his Marine suit detached from his skin. I think criminals have the suits bolted down into their flesh so they wouldn't be able to hide or escape (which must mean that Mengsk knew where Raynors fleet was the entire time) but really doesn't make much sense to me.
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On October 24 2010 13:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:59 Billy_ wrote:On October 24 2010 12:39 ArghUScaredMe wrote:On October 24 2010 12:33 NevilleS wrote:
Honestly, nothing in the storyline makes sense. Just accept it for what it is. They retconned everything and dumbened it down for typical 13 yo Halo crowds. Really sorry, but proving whatever assumptions you made and your personal point of view of the characters wrong is not the same thing as a retcon. Misinterpretations happen. Terrible writing also happens.
That's what she said.
User was warned for this post
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Wasn't Tychus hired by the Moebius Foundation to kill Kerrigan?
My memory may be wrong, so please correct me if it is D:
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Tychus is pretty murky. Might get a clear answer in the expansions, but it's possible that Kerrigan wasn't intended to survive the blast and that Tychus was only meant to lead Jim to the artifact pieces, as well as spy on him. I guess that Tychus follwed Jim into the hive to see if it did the job.
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Tychus was released to kill Kerrigan. He probably would not have accepted the offer if his job was to kill Raynor. Also, if Mengsk really just wanted to kill Raynor, he could just at least try using his Ghosts (they even implied this in the conversation in the game). He needed Raynor as an active opposition so he can slander him and also use him as an example so people are afraid to go against the Dominion.
While I don't think Dominion Army on Char would defect to Raynor (soldiers really have standards), they would act as a channel to clear Raynor's name at least inside the Dominion. Whether that eventually cause more rebellion or not is unknown.
I can understand people may find the story underwhelming for waiting for 12 years, but seriously most of this actually made sense. Some parts only needed slightly further explanations. If anything SC1's story was way too straightforward for my taste (UED is still kind of WTF coming out of nowhere for me. It really didn't do anything to the main plot since its not like they did something that Mengsk couldn't do instead)
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On October 24 2010 12:06 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Raynor changed Warfields opinion of him before the final battle, and Valerian was there without his fathers permission
what i dont get is who was controlling Tychus... unless Valerian was the one instructing him, not Mengsk, it doesnt make sense...
I mean, if Tychus got that close to Raynor under Mengsk, he could have stopped the adjuctant from becoming public, killed Raynor much sooner, why would he specifically want kerrigan dead there, etc etc
1. Tychus is a pure business man, he don't care about Mengsk reputation and Mengsk never knew that they were gonna release the information.
2. He couldn't have killed Raynor first, or they would have never gotten to Char, to get close to Kerrigan, in the first place. david0925 has a good point on why Mengsk wants Raynor alive for the time being.
3. Mengsk told Tychus to kill Kerrigan because Kerrigan killed his(Mengsk) father, so he anxious and couldn't wait for another chance to kill her.
Unless Warfield had soldiers that hadn't been brainwashed, the soldiers don't really have standards as they are resoc by the Dominion.
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To add to this "Tychus discussion"
My impression of Tychus task was that he was incarsinated (for some reason I cannot recall) and Mengsk made him a deal.
If he joined up with Raynor and helped him to get the Queen of Blades back to normal (killable) and finnish her of he would be set free.
However if he would try to escape/fail to honor his deal he was threatened with death (Tychus suit contained some aparatus which gave mengsk the power to "shut down all of his critical organs") which made him feel that he was not in control of his own life and that lead to him saying "I made a deal with the devil jimmy".
These are my thoughts about the story
Also I agree with david0925 on the story, I had nothing against the WoL storyline really (or perhaps I was just pleased to be able to play the game)
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On October 24 2010 12:06 Cyber_Cheese wrote:what i dont get is who was controlling Tychus... unless Valerian was the one instructing him, not Mengsk, it doesnt make sense...
I mean, if Tychus got that close to Raynor under Mengsk, he could have stopped the adjuctant from becoming public, killed Raynor much sooner, why would he specifically want kerrigan dead there, etc etc
This was answered at BlizzCon.
He didn't have direct control of Tychus because obviously Swann and others would have detected continous transmissions. He just had a gun to his head, and Tychus was instructed to send status reports on a schedule and receive orders.
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On October 25 2010 10:09 david0925 wrote:
Tychus was released to kill Kerrigan.
This is incorrect. At BlizzCon, Brian says that Tychus was released -before- Kerrigan's new invasion was known.
Mengsk intended to use Tychus to undermine Raynor, but he sent him new orders when Valerian revealed his plans.
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Any of you guys play the secret mission? I'll spoiler it, but it definitely suggests something that would make more sense. + Show Spoiler +In the mission, you explore a confederate research facility on some rock in space. Mengsk is doing all kinds of experiments on zergs and protosses there. At the end, you find a hybrid that appears to have been made there. This evidence, combined with Zeratul's prophecy (that Kerrigan is the only thing that saves them from the hybrids) points to this: Whatever is controlling the hybrids (the Dark Voice) also controls Mengsk, and Samir Duran for that matter. Kerrigan will save everyone in the end, as she can control the zerg, which otherwise would be controlled by the Dark Voice.
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@Lobotomist: Mengsk may be doing something reckless by researching the Hybrids, but we still don't know if he is under direct control of that program. He also seems like too much of an egotistical maniac to be under the influence of anyone else. Basically, he really only cares about being the Emperor of the Dominion as long as humanly possible.
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It would be cool if the troops under Valerian joined Raynor's Raiders, but it wouldn't make sense though right? I don't think Valerian would want to start a civil war against his father even if Valerian took half the fleet to Char. For all we know, the battlecruisers weren't fully loaded with troops and equipment, so it would be fool hardy. Then again, Raynor has connections to get equipment, mercenaries, etc. General Warfield had a change of heart towards Raynor, but is it enough for him to leave the Dominion to join Raynor? He is a highly ranked general with prestige after all, so he has to have some standard.
We all know that the UED in Brood War were a strong force and they have a way larger military might because the UED only send an expeditionary force. There was a thread regarding the UED and some people felt that they are not needed to advance SC2's story. I personally think they do because even though Kerrigan is not a huge threat (yet) anymore, there is still the threat of the Hybrids and Xel Naga. The Xel Naga lore states that they are non-violent (I think?), but they might retaliate since they are the makers after all. So the UED has a reason to intervene since the human race is endangered. Lets just hope they don't do the whole band together against a greater evil.
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