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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
October 25 2010 01:01 GMT
#41
"I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan..."

Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,-
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-25 02:13:50
October 25 2010 01:45 GMT
#42
On October 25 2010 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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On October 24 2010 23:39 Billy_ wrote:
It was half of his character. The other half was how very unique he was by Protoss standards. You know, something about light and dark used in harmony to defeat what would have been undefeatable which was what sparked the whole protoss truce in the first place? And what about when Fenix was resurrected? Or Stukov? What about that time when the overmind was unable to resurrect a cerebrate because the slayer was wielding the same energy which Tassadar himself had harnessed?!

How is resurrection in SC not a common theme? I'm not looking for trouble, I really am curious to see your thoughts on this

Anything that can be said about the new Tassadar would be strictly limited to debating over principle because he was little more than just the messenger for WoL


You bring up 3 things.

1) Fenix. An already well established and thoroughly explained part of the universe is involved in his "resurrection" (even though he doesn't actually die). Dragoons were explained in the original manual.

2) Zerg Cerebrates. Again, another thing already set up in the SC universe was that Cerebrates can't be killed because the Overmind resurrects them. I also don't actually see how this ties into my point at all.

3) Infested people coming back. First off, that's not even resurrecting - they're more like zombies. Second, no one said it was good writing anyway.

There was no explanation or anything going on when Tassadar came back. It went from, "I'm an extremely important character because I made the ultimate sacrifice to destroy the great evil that was threatening my people and in the process reunited them into one society"

to

"I'll just come back as a ghost because I fucking feel like it and can't actually die."

No body being recovered before death (there was no body), no pre-established Overmind that can resurrect him at will, Blizzard just randomly brought him back because they're absolutely terrible at writing stories. Did the same crap with Medivh, although that was executed a little more respectably.



Yes, because WoL was the last one in the SC series and Blizzard have no intention of giving an explanation. Fuck this, I can't argue with a brick wall.

I see you also ignored the points I brought up about how Tassadar was kind of special for a Protoss, before he ever had to die. Do you remember the last mission where Aldaris admits to Tassadar that the conclave was wrong? I was under the impression that Tassadars sacrifice accomplished nothing on that front, and even more so when the overmind returned. Can't remember the last time I played SC1, but it looks like Blizzard had to choose between pursuing Tassadars role in unifying people, or just letting this one of a kind Protoss stay dead after sacrificing himself for little gain?

On October 25 2010 04:27 TossFloss wrote:
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On October 24 2010 17:32 Billy_ wrote:
On October 24 2010 17:21 TossFloss wrote:
Blizzard should stop cheating. When an author sacrifices a character for another, but later resurrects the former - that is cheating the audience. In SC1, Tassadar sacrifices himself to destroy the plot's antagonist - The Overmind. But in SC2:WoL we are told that Tassadar "never tasted death".

Cheating is such an ugly word. More like a repurposing. In SCI, Tassadars purpose was sacrifice. Blizzard still don't know the specifics, but they've sort of outlined the new direction which they want to take with Tassadar, and that has something to do Adun, life after death what it all meant to the protoss. I guess this could change at any time though, so who knows. Tassadar just didn't have enough involvement yet to say whether or not his return is a bad thing.

Remember Planescape: Torment? The protagonist of that game had been resurrected literally HUNDREDS of times. Life after death in PS:T was one of its central themes, and it is considered to be one of the greatest RPGs, and perhaps one of the greatest stories ever told in a game. Obviously Planescape is going to shit all over everything which Blizzard have ever done, but that is not the point. Resurrection is not innately bad and that this may yet be the case with Tassadar. We'll find out in 2014 or something.

Never heard of PS:T? Read about it http://www.gametrailers.com/users/SYSTEM-SHOCK/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=528508

It has no major spoilers, but does a good job at explaining why it's probably the best high fantasy story driven game ever.


Yes I loved Planescape Torment, I still have the original CDs =)

The plot centers on The Nameless One's curse of immortality. The audience (player) understand from the beginning that he cannot die. So without further plot development, there can be no exchange: The Nameless One cannot be sacrificed to kill or save another character because of the nature of his existence.

Resurrection by itself is okay. Here are some good examples where resurrection worked to enhance the plot: Obi Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Neo, Gandalf.

Cheating is when a writer sacrifices a character to kill or save another character as a major focus in the plot, only to to bring the former back to life. It makes the experience feel artificial, like saying in our universe 1 - 1 = 1. It makes death seem less important, so the next time a character dies the audience doesn't care as much.


Okay, thanks. This makes sense. Well I sort of agree, but at the same time I'm a huge Tassadar fan so I see it as a win/lose. And I'd consider it pretty important if Jim killed Sarah, or if one of the battlecruisers crushed on her.
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
October 25 2010 02:01 GMT
#43
It could just be that he is coming back for HotS to do a recap style cinematic with a new script for the intro to the game... then proceeds to get shot and die
I am down but I am far from over
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
October 25 2010 02:30 GMT
#44
Or, maybe his voice will be heard in a flashback...?
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
Asshat
Profile Joined September 2010
593 Posts
October 25 2010 02:49 GMT
#45
"That .38 shot in my face was merely a setback."
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-25 03:18:49
October 25 2010 03:17 GMT
#46
On October 24 2010 22:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Yea, it's fine if you make ressurection happen when it's a common theme in a universe, but when Tassadar's entire character was built around him killing himself for the betterment of the Protoss race in the first two games, it's nothing but cheap and terrible writing to bring him back as a fucking ghost.


So so so so true. When I saw Tassadar, I was like.. no. They can't do this to him.

Tassadar sacrificed himself for the survival of his people. To bring him back trivializes this sacrifice and makes it into nothing.

On October 25 2010 00:54 deth2munkies wrote:
The reason why this may be is because HotS is likely running cocorruent with WoL, only from the Zerg PoV, so we might see Tychus and Jimmy working together against us in the next expansion.


HotS will take place between "one hour and 100 years" after WoL.

On October 25 2010 10:01 mierin wrote:
"I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan..."

Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,-


If Raynor doesn't kill Kerrigan by the time this is over, I will declare the story officially trash and find a way to remove the single-player files from my hard drive.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
methematics
Profile Joined August 2010
United States392 Posts
October 25 2010 03:47 GMT
#47
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On October 25 2010 04:54 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
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On October 25 2010 02:51 Sanguinarius wrote:
I really hope they leave Tychus dead. I am a bit tired of people going "I didnt REALLY die" Its good for some plot twists, but not all.


What if they all have the Immortality ring ?



I LOLED AT IMMORTALITY RING
fusihunter
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia208 Posts
October 25 2010 04:15 GMT
#48
On October 25 2010 09:54 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote:
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On October 24 2010 08:05 Kyandid wrote:
Remember the end of Shaun of the Dead?

It's going to be like that.


Tychus as pseudo-zerg / pseudo-human like Kerrigan would provide some much needed human interest to the zerg swarm (if they want to do a campaign like WoL's).

Edit: Plus WoL's totally brutal writing didn't give this very interesting character the role he deserved.



Tychus still wants to kill Kerrigan so he still has a purpose in the story.

I'd expect him to be an ally of the zerg and be the main character for you in HoTs.
"I actually don't like games. I just like beating people." - Idra
xAPOCALYPSEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1418 Posts
October 25 2010 04:43 GMT
#49
On October 24 2010 16:02 Ferrose wrote:
Tychus will appear before Raynor as a ghost and say "I was never dead."

/tassadar


Even better, Tychus will appear before Raynor as a ghost and say "I was never alive."

Then Jim will go back to Char and look for Tychus's body but not find it, and upon asking people about Tychus, none of them recall a Tychus Findlay. Then Jim realizes that Tychus is actually a being that only lives in his mind
McStupid
Profile Joined May 2010
United States94 Posts
October 25 2010 08:35 GMT
#50
Those people on the stage were the voice actors? I wondered who they were. I was at blizzcon and one match had just ended, so I went over to the LONG LINE to get a hamburger and fries. I was watching intermittently and saw the people on the stage, but I was too far away and there was too much noise for me to hear what they were saying.
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
October 25 2010 09:00 GMT
#51
What I found really curious about hte voice actors was that the girl who played Hanson was still there. That's... interesting.

I thought that it was pretty astute to notice the resurrection theme throughout StarCraft.

Mn. I could totally see the writers liking the idea of Tychus with Duran. It would feel a bit cliche, but that voice certainly has personality.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-25 09:45:12
October 25 2010 09:42 GMT
#52
On October 25 2010 10:01 mierin wrote:
"I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan..."

Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,-

On October 25 2010 12:17 .Aar wrote:
If Raynor doesn't kill Kerrigan by the time this is over, I will declare the story officially trash and find a way to remove the single-player files from my hard drive.


This has been mentioned twice in this thread.

The question was answered at BlizzCon by Metzen.

In summary: Raynor wanted to kill the Queen of Blades version of Kerrigan because he thought it was the only option. He never gave himself the hope of saving her. He has always loved the regular old Sarah Kerrigan. Once he learned from Valerian that Kerrigan could be saved, it changed his world.

@.Aar: So you might want to go ahead and delete StarCraft II from your hard drive, which isn't a very hard task by the way. Just go to Uninstall a Program, and click StarCraft II, StarCraft, and StarCraft: Brood War. Done!
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
October 25 2010 17:46 GMT
#53
On October 25 2010 18:42 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 10:01 mierin wrote:
"I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan..."

Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,-

Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 12:17 .Aar wrote:
If Raynor doesn't kill Kerrigan by the time this is over, I will declare the story officially trash and find a way to remove the single-player files from my hard drive.


This has been mentioned twice in this thread.

The question was answered at BlizzCon by Metzen.

In summary: Raynor wanted to kill the Queen of Blades version of Kerrigan because he thought it was the only option. He never gave himself the hope of saving her. He has always loved the regular old Sarah Kerrigan. Once he learned from Valerian that Kerrigan could be saved, it changed his world.
!


Honestly this is not a satisfactory explanation. In the first mission he was fondling Kerrigan's picture like she was his lost love or something. The "other option" was revealed to him about 90% through the campaign.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
October 25 2010 19:48 GMT
#54
I don't care if he's alive or dead. He better still have that accent of his. Trademark accent for starcraft 2 campaign imo.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
October 25 2010 21:04 GMT
#55
Tychus is better off dead. He was an okay character, but I hate it when they revive characters even when it is stated they are dead.
firefistAce
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States137 Posts
October 25 2010 22:37 GMT
#56
from my experience, when something ends with an ambiguous death, that means hes not dead.
Please excuse my English as I am an American on the internet.
Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
October 25 2010 23:37 GMT
#57
On October 24 2010 08:05 Kyandid wrote:
Remember the end of Shaun of the Dead?

It's going to be like that.

Non zerg Kerrigan and a Zerg Tychus. Im done. No more campaign.
"You are not trying to win, you are trying to be awesome" -Day[9]
Pokeymans
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada6 Posts
October 26 2010 01:38 GMT
#58
Someone needs to remind Jimmy of "Bros before Hos"
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
October 26 2010 03:39 GMT
#59
On October 26 2010 10:38 Pokeymans wrote:
Someone needs to remind Jimmy of "Bros before Hos"


Fenix should shoot Tassadar a message telling Raynor to wake up from his bullshit
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
ilmman
Profile Joined September 2010
364 Posts
November 05 2010 06:46 GMT
#60
you goons didnt you play sc1.. fenix came back alive as a dragoon.. sdo tychus will be an immortal noe
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