Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,-
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mierin
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Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,- | ||
Billy_
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On October 25 2010 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote: You bring up 3 things. 1) Fenix. An already well established and thoroughly explained part of the universe is involved in his "resurrection" (even though he doesn't actually die). Dragoons were explained in the original manual. 2) Zerg Cerebrates. Again, another thing already set up in the SC universe was that Cerebrates can't be killed because the Overmind resurrects them. I also don't actually see how this ties into my point at all. 3) Infested people coming back. First off, that's not even resurrecting - they're more like zombies. Second, no one said it was good writing anyway. There was no explanation or anything going on when Tassadar came back. It went from, "I'm an extremely important character because I made the ultimate sacrifice to destroy the great evil that was threatening my people and in the process reunited them into one society" to "I'll just come back as a ghost because I fucking feel like it and can't actually die." No body being recovered before death (there was no body), no pre-established Overmind that can resurrect him at will, Blizzard just randomly brought him back because they're absolutely terrible at writing stories. Did the same crap with Medivh, although that was executed a little more respectably. Yes, because WoL was the last one in the SC series and Blizzard have no intention of giving an explanation. Fuck this, I can't argue with a brick wall. I see you also ignored the points I brought up about how Tassadar was kind of special for a Protoss, before he ever had to die. Do you remember the last mission where Aldaris admits to Tassadar that the conclave was wrong? I was under the impression that Tassadars sacrifice accomplished nothing on that front, and even more so when the overmind returned. Can't remember the last time I played SC1, but it looks like Blizzard had to choose between pursuing Tassadars role in unifying people, or just letting this one of a kind Protoss stay dead after sacrificing himself for little gain? On October 25 2010 04:27 TossFloss wrote: Yes I loved Planescape Torment, I still have the original CDs =) The plot centers on The Nameless One's curse of immortality. The audience (player) understand from the beginning that he cannot die. So without further plot development, there can be no exchange: The Nameless One cannot be sacrificed to kill or save another character because of the nature of his existence. Resurrection by itself is okay. Here are some good examples where resurrection worked to enhance the plot: Obi Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Neo, Gandalf. Cheating is when a writer sacrifices a character to kill or save another character as a major focus in the plot, only to to bring the former back to life. It makes the experience feel artificial, like saying in our universe 1 - 1 = 1. It makes death seem less important, so the next time a character dies the audience doesn't care as much. Okay, thanks. This makes sense. Well I sort of agree, but at the same time I'm a huge Tassadar fan so I see it as a win/lose. And I'd consider it pretty important if Jim killed Sarah, or if one of the battlecruisers crushed on her. | ||
Phaded
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lurked
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Asshat
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.Aar
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On October 24 2010 22:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yea, it's fine if you make ressurection happen when it's a common theme in a universe, but when Tassadar's entire character was built around him killing himself for the betterment of the Protoss race in the first two games, it's nothing but cheap and terrible writing to bring him back as a fucking ghost. So so so so true. When I saw Tassadar, I was like.. no. They can't do this to him. Tassadar sacrificed himself for the survival of his people. To bring him back trivializes this sacrifice and makes it into nothing. On October 25 2010 00:54 deth2munkies wrote: The reason why this may be is because HotS is likely running cocorruent with WoL, only from the Zerg PoV, so we might see Tychus and Jimmy working together against us in the next expansion. HotS will take place between "one hour and 100 years" after WoL. On October 25 2010 10:01 mierin wrote: "I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan..." Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,- If Raynor doesn't kill Kerrigan by the time this is over, I will declare the story officially trash and find a way to remove the single-player files from my hard drive. | ||
methematics
United States392 Posts
I LOLED AT IMMORTALITY RING | ||
fusihunter
Australia208 Posts
On October 25 2010 09:54 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote: Tychus as pseudo-zerg / pseudo-human like Kerrigan would provide some much needed human interest to the zerg swarm (if they want to do a campaign like WoL's). Edit: Plus WoL's totally brutal writing didn't give this very interesting character the role he deserved. Tychus still wants to kill Kerrigan so he still has a purpose in the story. I'd expect him to be an ally of the zerg and be the main character for you in HoTs. | ||
xAPOCALYPSEx
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On October 24 2010 16:02 Ferrose wrote: Tychus will appear before Raynor as a ghost and say "I was never dead." /tassadar Even better, Tychus will appear before Raynor as a ghost and say "I was never alive." Then Jim will go back to Char and look for Tychus's body but not find it, and upon asking people about Tychus, none of them recall a Tychus Findlay. Then Jim realizes that Tychus is actually a being that only lives in his mind | ||
McStupid
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
I thought that it was pretty astute to notice the resurrection theme throughout StarCraft. Mn. I could totally see the writers liking the idea of Tychus with Duran. It would feel a bit cliche, but that voice certainly has personality. | ||
dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On October 25 2010 10:01 mierin wrote: "I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan..." Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,- On October 25 2010 12:17 .Aar wrote: If Raynor doesn't kill Kerrigan by the time this is over, I will declare the story officially trash and find a way to remove the single-player files from my hard drive. This has been mentioned twice in this thread. The question was answered at BlizzCon by Metzen. In summary: Raynor wanted to kill the Queen of Blades version of Kerrigan because he thought it was the only option. He never gave himself the hope of saving her. He has always loved the regular old Sarah Kerrigan. Once he learned from Valerian that Kerrigan could be saved, it changed his world. @.Aar: So you might want to go ahead and delete StarCraft II from your hard drive, which isn't a very hard task by the way. Just go to Uninstall a Program, and click StarCraft II, StarCraft, and StarCraft: Brood War. Done! | ||
mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 25 2010 18:42 dcemuser wrote: This has been mentioned twice in this thread. The question was answered at BlizzCon by Metzen. In summary: Raynor wanted to kill the Queen of Blades version of Kerrigan because he thought it was the only option. He never gave himself the hope of saving her. He has always loved the regular old Sarah Kerrigan. Once he learned from Valerian that Kerrigan could be saved, it changed his world. ! Honestly this is not a satisfactory explanation. In the first mission he was fondling Kerrigan's picture like she was his lost love or something. The "other option" was revealed to him about 90% through the campaign. | ||
ddrddrddrddr
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zoLo
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firefistAce
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On October 24 2010 08:05 Kyandid wrote: Remember the end of Shaun of the Dead? It's going to be like that. Non zerg Kerrigan and a Zerg Tychus. Im done. No more campaign. | ||
Pokeymans
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 26 2010 10:38 Pokeymans wrote: Someone needs to remind Jimmy of "Bros before Hos" Fenix should shoot Tassadar a message telling Raynor to wake up from his bullshit ![]() | ||
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