BlizzCon 2010 tychus findlay alive?

On October 24 2010 09:08 zer0das wrote:
Well, Max Payne took a bullet to the head... I don't see why Tychus Findlay can't shrug it off.

On October 24 2010 15:10 Blackhawk13 wrote:
he could just being doing the voice of a different character maybe if he can do multiple kinds of voices

On October 24 2010 17:21 TossFloss wrote:
Blizzard should stop cheating. When an author sacrifices a character for another, but later resurrects the former - that is cheating the audience. In SC1, Tassadar sacrifices himself to destroy the plot's antagonist - The Overmind. But in SC2:WoL we are told that Tassadar "never tasted death".

On October 25 2010 00:54 deth2munkies wrote:
The reason why this may be is because HotS is likely running cocorruent with WoL, only from the Zerg PoV, so we might see Tychus and Jimmy working together against us in the next expansion.

On October 24 2010 08:05 Kyandid wrote:
Remember the end of Shaun of the Dead?

It's going to be like that.

On October 24 2010 17:32 Billy_ wrote:

Cheating is such an ugly word. More like a repurposing. In SCI, Tassadars purpose was sacrifice. Blizzard still don't know the specifics, but they've sort of outlined the new direction which they want to take with Tassadar, and that has something to do Adun, life after death what it all meant to the protoss. I guess this could change at any time though, so who knows. Tassadar just didn't have enough involvement yet to say whether or not his return is a bad thing.

Remember Planescape: Torment? The protagonist of that game had been resurrected literally HUNDREDS of times. Life after death in PS:T was one of its central themes, and it is considered to be one of the greatest RPGs, and perhaps one of the greatest stories ever told in a game. Obviously Planescape is going to shit all over everything which Blizzard have ever done, but that is not the point. Resurrection is not innately bad and that this may yet be the case with Tassadar. We'll find out in 2014 or something.

Never heard of PS:T? Read about it http://www.gametrailers.com/users/SYSTEM-SHOCK/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=528508

It has no major spoilers, but does a good job at explaining why it's probably the best high fantasy story driven game ever.

On October 24 2010 08:05 Kyandid wrote:
Remember the end of Shaun of the Dead?

It's going to be like that.

On October 25 2010 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:


You bring up 3 things.

1) Fenix. An already well established and thoroughly explained part of the universe is involved in his "resurrection" (even though he doesn't actually die). Dragoons were explained in the original manual.

2) Zerg Cerebrates. Again, another thing already set up in the SC universe was that Cerebrates can't be killed because the Overmind resurrects them. I also don't actually see how this ties into my point at all.

3) Infested people coming back. First off, that's not even resurrecting - they're more like zombies. Second, no one said it was good writing anyway.

There was no explanation or anything going on when Tassadar came back. It went from, "I'm an extremely important character because I made the ultimate sacrifice to destroy the great evil that was threatening my people and in the process reunited them into one society"

to

"I'll just come back as a ghost because I fucking feel like it and can't actually die."

No body being recovered before death (there was no body), no pre-established Overmind that can resurrect him at will, Blizzard just randomly brought him back because they're absolutely terrible at writing stories. Did the same crap with Medivh, although that was executed a little more respectably.

On October 25 2010 04:27 TossFloss wrote:


Yes I loved Planescape Torment, I still have the original CDs =)

The plot centers on The Nameless One's curse of immortality. The audience (player) understand from the beginning that he cannot die. So without further plot development, there can be no exchange: The Nameless One cannot be sacrificed to kill or save another character because of the nature of his existence.

Resurrection by itself is okay. Here are some good examples where resurrection worked to enhance the plot: Obi Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Neo, Gandalf.

Cheating is when a writer sacrifices a character to kill or save another character as a major focus in the plot, only to to bring the former back to life. It makes the experience feel artificial, like saying in our universe 1 - 1 = 1. It makes death seem less important, so the next time a character dies the audience doesn't care as much.

On October 24 2010 22:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Yea, it's fine if you make ressurection happen when it's a common theme in a universe, but when Tassadar's entire character was built around him killing himself for the betterment of the Protoss race in the first two games, it's nothing but cheap and terrible writing to bring him back as a fucking ghost.

On October 25 2010 00:54 deth2munkies wrote:
The reason why this may be is because HotS is likely running cocorruent with WoL, only from the Zerg PoV, so we might see Tychus and Jimmy working together against us in the next expansion.

On October 25 2010 10:01 mierin wrote:
"I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan..."

Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,-

On October 25 2010 04:54 HwangjaeTerran wrote:


What if they all have the Immortality ring ?

On October 25 2010 09:54 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote:


Tychus as pseudo-zerg / pseudo-human like Kerrigan would provide some much needed human interest to the zerg swarm (if they want to do a campaign like WoL's).

Edit: Plus WoL's totally brutal writing didn't give this very interesting character the role he deserved.

On October 24 2010 16:02 Ferrose wrote:
Tychus will appear before Raynor as a ghost and say "I was never dead."

/tassadar

On October 25 2010 10:01 mierin wrote:
"I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan..."

Apparently people in the SC universe aren't really expected to keep their promises -,-

On October 25 2010 12:17 .Aar wrote:
If Raynor doesn't kill Kerrigan by the time this is over, I will declare the story officially trash and find a way to remove the single-player files from my hard drive.

On October 25 2010 18:42 dcemuser wrote:



This has been mentioned twice in this thread.

The question was answered at BlizzCon by Metzen.

In summary: Raynor wanted to kill the Queen of Blades version of Kerrigan because he thought it was the only option. He never gave himself the hope of saving her. He has always loved the regular old Sarah Kerrigan. Once he learned from Valerian that Kerrigan could be saved, it changed his world.
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On October 26 2010 10:38 Pokeymans wrote:
Someone needs to remind Jimmy of "Bros before Hos"

On November 05 2010 16:47 Godstorm wrote:
Wouldn't be blizzard if they don't rez every character that dies lol.

On October 25 2010 00:01 Captain Peabody wrote:
Well, at the Lore Panel, Metzen was directly asked whether or not Tychus was dead or would come back. He said that as far as he was concerned, Tychus was dead and should stay dead; but that all the art guys and the dev guys thought he should come back and were busy creating stuff of Tychus "with tentacles sprouting out of his head."
"We'll see who wins that battle in the end."

So it's still relatively up in the air.

However, an infested Tychus could actually pack some emotional wallop, as its not just "bringing him back"; an evil, infested Tychus fully under the control of the swarm, bitter and angry at Jimmy for what happened to him, could work. It fits with the theme of "sacrifice," as in order to rescue Kerrigan from the swarm, he leaves behind his best friend to be infested; just as Mengsk did to Kerrigan in the first place. So there's some interesting ambiguity there.

We'll see, though...

On November 05 2010 16:45 Billy_ wrote:
Why was Tychus important? Because he was giving out the artifact missions? Because he and Jim had been good friends until Jim went legit and Tychus went to cryo? Then he dies a meaningless death which had no visible effect on anything. Aldaris was at least as important as Tychus, and then Blizzard just totally forget him after his dead, so I can see the same thing happening for Tychus.

As I understand it, Tychus was a last minute addition because of how popular the voice was in the promo. I never thought of Tychus as important.

Wouldn't be blizzard if they don't rez every character that dies lol.]

On October 24 2010 17:21 TossFloss wrote:
Blizzard should stop cheating. When an author sacrifices a character for another, but later resurrects the former - that is cheating the audience. In SC1, Tassadar sacrifices himself to destroy the plot's antagonist - The Overmind. But in SC2:WoL we are told that Tassadar "never tasted death".

Tychus is dead. Raynor shot him in the face. THE FACE! He died so that Kerrigan may live. He could appear in flashbacks or return as Infested Tychus - but Raynor's friend Tychus Findlay should stay dead.