EPTPoll: Spectre or Ghost
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[Q]Tosh Mission- Breakout or Ghost of a Chance?
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Deleted User 76781
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nemanja1503
Serbia49 Posts
My reasons are that he was around before helping and will stay with us to keep on helping, while Nova bails on you. Second I liked specters as units more. And imo the Breakout is more fun as a mission. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
Either way you can always go back through and play the other one. =) | ||
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Deleted User 76781
101 Posts
When does Nova bails on you? | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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pangshai
Chinatown5333 Posts
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LegionX
4 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:06 pangshai wrote: what are the ghost upgrades? i'm assuming EMP and something else. occular implants and infinte cloak | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
Spectre, Aoe stun (dunno if it works on kerrigan), 200 damage "nuke" and cloak doesnt cost energy. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:06 pangshai wrote: what are the ghost upgrades? i'm assuming EMP and something else. Just made a few ghosts, they don't even have EMP in the campaign  http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Campaign/Armory#Ghost They get +2 range and +3 sight radius which might be good for solo nuking. Only time I used spectres was during engine of destruction on normal where I used permanent cloak and nuked everything, but this didn't work at all in brutal. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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PanoRaMa
United States5069 Posts
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:33 Mikilatov wrote: I had to go with Nova. Tosh seemed terribly untrustworthy in how he was portrayed up until that point... And Nova's a badass, so that's how I made my decision, haha. Either way you can always go back through and play the other one. =) Actually after the mission if you talk with the people on your ship you learn that everything Nova said were lies. Specters develop really quirky personalities though but they don't become more violent or so than they already were. As for units I think that the only time you want to build either of them is when you want to nuke, and ghosts are just way better at that. Since they outrange towers and have insane vision range you can infiltrate bases much easier and 20 more health never hurts either. | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
I never really used them in any of the missions, but I wouldn't have used ghosts and their shitty snipe, too. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
Specter's aoe stun I find not to be as useful and its nuke has a small cast time compared to instant snipe. They do bonus dmg to armored which easily is taken cared by the rest of my army. | ||
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NeonGenesis
Norway260 Posts
 The enemy of my enemy is my friend, brotha. | ||
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kingcomrade
United States115 Posts
Also Nova got CANCELLED. If ghosts had had EMP as well as just snipe and cloak I would have probably gone with them...but as it is in the campaign Spectres just have better abilities. | ||
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Aeroz135
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
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Morayfire73
United States298 Posts
Though if you like talking to Tosh on your ship do his mission or else he dies | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
If only they let you EMP Kerrigan in All-In, that would be such a lifesaver. You're right whichever path you choose. There is no wrong answer. | ||
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nemanja1503
Serbia49 Posts
Well if you go and listen to their TV duel you will see that Tosh says that Nova will not stay with you and she does not disagree, she will come and teach you how to train ghosts and then leave. Tosh will be on board and you can talk to him etc. Another thing I've heard but can't confirm. In the collectors edition it is said that the choices they will stick to in regards to the story are Raynor saves the colonists from the Protoss and Raynor picks Tosh. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Yung
United States727 Posts
On August 09 2010 03:54 nemanja1503 wrote: @Yme Well if you go and listen to their TV duel you will see that Tosh says that Nova will not stay with you and she does not disagree, she will come and teach you how to train ghosts and then leave. Tosh will be on board and you can talk to him etc. Another thing I've heard but can't confirm. In the collectors edition it is said that the choices they will stick to in regards to the story are Raynor saves the colonists from the Protoss and Raynor picks Tosh. i wish they did a Mass Effect thing and you could bring the coices you made in the first one over to the next expasion. | ||
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
You should definitely use either unit more though, they are extremely efficient if you just need to use up gas. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
On August 08 2010 21:01 Klockan3 wrote: Actually after the mission if you talk with the people on your ship you learn that everything Nova said were lies. Specters develop really quirky personalities though but they don't become more violent or so than they already were. As for units I think that the only time you want to build either of them is when you want to nuke, and ghosts are just way better at that. Since they outrange towers and have insane vision range you can infiltrate bases much easier and 20 more health never hurts either. Yeah, that's why I said 'up until that point'. And I believe regardless of your choice, the game portrays at as being positive. The same goes for all the choices. | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
Also, I haven't gotten to this point yet with Spectres (I'm on my second playthrough), but the 200dmg nuke might be useful against Kerrigan on All-in. Has anyone tried it? How much HP does she have? | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
On August 09 2010 13:53 brain_ wrote: Spectres made the "Engine of Destruction" mission (the first one with Tychus in the Odin) possible for me on Brutal. Just chainstun the BCs and other opponents. I did both via loading saves (for achievements) but I stuck with Tosh. Also, I haven't gotten to this point yet with Spectres (I'm on my second playthrough), but the 200dmg nuke might be useful against Kerrigan on All-in. Has anyone tried it? How much HP does she have? The main problem with Spectres in the last mission is that they're so gas intensive and not as mobile as Banshees which is a basic requirement for the last mission to snipe Nydus Worms if you decided to opt for no air. The gas is a huge issue because Banshee/Tank production is already hard with tech reactors on just one building each. I've personally not tried the Air route, but I would assume that with needing fewer tanks, but requiring anti air in Vikings you could probably get Spectres with good Marine filler and pull it off. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
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fant0m
964 Posts
The cutscene afterwards was absolutely epic. And I had a lot more fun on Nova's mission TBH, it was more "stealthy." Not to mention that Tosh's voice is extremely annoying for me. And that stuff about spectres not going insane... all depends on the choice. The game swings VERY far in favor of whatever you choose (for all the choices) in terms of how the characters act in the cutscenes. If you choose Nova... you will definitely not be rooting for Tosh by the end of the final cutscene. | ||
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Deleted User 76781
101 Posts
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NETRAT
Belarus180 Posts
u can snipe broodlords and overseers before they come too close to attack or detect, can u do this with spectres?! ofc no | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:33 Mikilatov wrote: I had to go with Nova. Tosh seemed terribly untrustworthy in how he was portrayed up until that point... And Nova's a badass, so that's how I made my decision, haha. Either way you can always go back through and play the other one. =) You mean Tosh is a scary dude, while Nova is a hot piece of ass? I actually think the whole idea of this particular choice is idiotic. Help a guy you've been working for a while now break out a prison, much like the one your buddy Tychus was just in vs working for Mengsk? Hmm, choices, choices. Choosing to betray tosh and kill his people is very much like Mengsk leaving Kerrigan to die btw. Only worse | ||
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RainCoat
Sweden142 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
And about what Nova did after the mission: + Show Spoiler + I don't think it was cool that she killed Tosh. I kinda felt sorry for the dude. All he wanted was to help his friends | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
Breakout was better mission, ghost of a chance was better cutscene | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On August 09 2010 03:54 nemanja1503 wrote: @Yme Well if you go and listen to their TV duel you will see that Tosh says that Nova will not stay with you and she does not disagree, she will come and teach you how to train ghosts and then leave. Tosh will be on board and you can talk to him etc. Another thing I've heard but can't confirm. In the collectors edition it is said that the choices they will stick to in regards to the story are Raynor saves the colonists from the Protoss and Raynor picks Tosh. Wow, really purifying the colony and helping the protoss is much better IMO | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On August 09 2010 23:16 PanzerDragoon wrote: Breakout was better mission, ghost of a chance was better cutscene my thoughts exactly. i was so amused by the dota mission. and my first run through i didnt know about the little side routes to take so i just had to go balls to the walls, chargin in with the shield up and stunning tanks. oh and for some people, you can replay the other mission you didnt do on the mission replay archive thingy. so dont sweat it too much. and all the choices save the one on char are usually the last in the sequence so it doesnt really affect much. on that note, if you get rid of the spires on char, def go back and play the nydus mission. its one of the most fun missions in the game. | ||
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SpectreSOF
United States74 Posts
Besides, Spectre is in my name and at the time I was told that between Dr. Hanson, Stetmann, Hill, Matt Horner, Tychus, and Swann that if I didn't get a diversity hire I was going to get investigated by the EEOC for unfair employment practices. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Deleted User 76781
101 Posts
 Then I used Spectres in the Haven's fall mission, they're actually surprisingly useful to me. | ||
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Staznpride
United States4 Posts
On August 10 2010 05:03 SpectreSOF wrote: I choose Tosh, the Spectre's Psionic Lash ability (the 200 damage to a unit) is just too good to pass up, sniper and +damage to light be damned. Besides, Spectre is in my name and at the time I was told that between Dr. Hanson, Stetmann, Hill, Matt Horner, Tychus, and Swann that if I didn't get a diversity hire I was going to get investigated by the EEOC for unfair employment practices. Thats not true remember the guy that drives the hyperion? hes black o.o | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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17-Pound Trout
Korea (North)20 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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alsowikk
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Piousflea
United States259 Posts
BTW, I'm a bit sad that Blizzard considers "Safe Haven" to be the "real" storyline. "Haven's Fall" was much cooler, and the sad ending felt a lot more blizzard-esque. (Since when did any Blizzard characters have a happy ending?) | ||
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Prdors
United States67 Posts
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
However, Tosh's mission was way cooler than Nova's. Loved it. Nova's was just like "Mind controll a siege tank and do what I always do in Terran Mirror" ;D | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
On August 11 2010 11:28 Piousflea wrote: Spectres are cooler and not having EMP sucks. Unfortunately, nukes are next to useless because you don't need them on Normal, and on Hard/Brutal the enemy players have detection everywhere. BTW, I'm a bit sad that Blizzard considers "Safe Haven" to be the "real" storyline. "Haven's Fall" was much cooler, and the sad ending felt a lot more blizzard-esque. (Since when did any Blizzard characters have a happy ending?) Dont worry, that will change in the next installment. Also, Tosh mission = Dota | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On August 11 2010 17:09 oo_xerox wrote: Also, Tosh mission = Dota Nova mission = Impossible Scenario though :D Mmmm Nova. Choose her. Even though she doesn't stick around, you still.....er....... yeah Nova's hot. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On August 11 2010 17:42 dudeman001 wrote: Nova mission = Impossible Scenario though :D lol nice comparison ^^ love impossible scenarios in BW also sniping broodlords are fun, pew pew pew | ||
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JunZ
United States314 Posts
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Empyrean
16974 Posts
On August 09 2010 23:16 PanzerDragoon wrote: Neither will really get used, except for last mission, where spectres are very clutch because they can stunlock you-know-who Breakout was better mission, ghost of a chance was better cutscene Lord Voldemort? :< In any case, if you choose to help Tosh, the video states that everything Nova said was a lie. Pretty much no matter what you do, the story makes it seem like you did the right thing. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
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after.fallout
United States16 Posts
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
By the way, for those who complain about Nova bailing on you when you choose Ghost of a Chance: + Show Spoiler + Nova doesn't ditch you, actually. In the Armory onboard the Hyperion, examine the Ghost rifles. Just wait for about 30 seconds, and you'll see Nova decloaking, sitting on top of the boxes. She'll look around for a few seconds, then cloak again. Already common knowledge, but just thought I'd throw that out there for those who didn't know. | ||
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JunZ
United States314 Posts
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LordofAscension
United States589 Posts
On August 11 2010 11:28 Piousflea wrote: BTW, I'm a bit sad that Blizzard considers "Safe Haven" to be the "real" storyline. "Haven's Fall" was much cooler, and the sad ending felt a lot more blizzard-esque. (Since when did any Blizzard characters have a happy ending?) I keep seeing this but never with any source? Anyone know where this is from? ~LoA | ||
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sgeng
United States78 Posts
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
On August 11 2010 17:42 dudeman001 wrote: Nova mission = Impossible Scenario though :D Mmmm Nova. Choose her. Even though she doesn't stick around, you still.....er....... yeah Nova's hot. ofc not, in brutal nova´s mission is easier than tosh´es mission in case thats what you were trying to say though, if not, then im a noob. | ||
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excess
Germany24 Posts
both units r useless after this mission. because all missions r build as tutorial for unit u unlock in this mission so u will have to build this keyunits anyway and there is nothing a ghost can do better than this keyunit in this mission. so u can try to use them but that only as gimmick and mostly more difficult than to use the keyunit. | ||
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Vokasak
United States388 Posts
On August 12 2010 07:37 oo_xerox wrote: ofc not, in brutal nova´s mission is easier than tosh´es mission in case thats what you were trying to say though, if not, then im a noob. "Impossible Scenarios" is a genre of custom map that gives you and your team mates a fairly limited number of units and encourages you to overcome seemingly impossible odds using micro. It's similar to what you would play in the Nova mission, albeit usually much harder. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Would Tosh really become evil? He was freaky and violent, but so is Tychus who is your best friend. + Show Spoiler + Tosh warns you that Tychus is hiding something and also that the Hanson is too which is weird. Though if you choose to purify the colony and see the ending scene than his fears were warranted Lastly replayed and kept Dr. Hanson just to talk to her, after doing Tosh's break out mission she flat out says that Nova was lying to you and that Spectres are no more violent than anybody else. Only that a sudden increase in psionic ability could create a mental break down, but I read the SC book about Nova, she freaking killed an entire building of people with her psionic abilities. In Nova's mission you see a psyionic indoctrinator which is weird, but it's probably just to control their abilities. | ||
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Shaithis
United States383 Posts
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pikaaarrr :3
United States593 Posts
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On August 09 2010 23:17 PanzerDragoon wrote: Wow, really purifying the colony and helping the protoss is much better IMO + Show Spoiler + The scene with the infested Hanson was AWESOME, but I still preferred saving the colonists. | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
edit: Nova is hot so... | ||
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Xyik
Canada728 Posts
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Marahumm
United States98 Posts
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i was disappointed. | ||
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WarChimp
Australia943 Posts
thats what I did | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
Just for that it's worth siding with Nova at least once to see it, so go redo that mission right now. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 12 2010 06:07 sgeng wrote: Nova will never join you but you'll get ghosts. However spectres are much more useful as they have an AOE stun and an ability that lets them do 200 dmg. Ghosts are much less useful. Absolutely not. The ghosts, once you get them both armory upgrades, are walking gods. You can much easier just wipe away entire levels with mass ghosts than you can spectres. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On August 13 2010 03:09 prodiG wrote: i chose nova because i wanted to see if raynor would try to nail her. + Show Spoiler + i was disappointed. You weren't the only one | ||
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Caponed
United States46 Posts
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Assymptotic
United States552 Posts
On August 13 2010 11:21 Caponed wrote: Nova was hot, tosh was an asshole with a Jamaican accent. Easy choice. As a poster pointed out a few posts up, Nova isn't all sunshine and daisies. I'm staggered by the sheer number of people here who picked Nova because of her beauty. If more women knew how easily seduced men are, we'd be in a lot of trouble. | ||
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Nithix
United States184 Posts
In my next Brutal playthrough / achievement run, I'll pick Tosh and kill the colony to see the other cinematics I missed. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
no real point | ||
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Methos
United States206 Posts
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SaDGoWu
United States133 Posts
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sparknineone
United States52 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
If you side with Nova, he leaves, and Nova doesn't join, so you lose dialogue options. As for Spectres vs. Ghosts, I'd go with Spectres, since you get to use ghosts in multiplayer anyways. | ||
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