EPTPossible 2nd UED intervention?
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yrba1
United States325 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Headlines
United States482 Posts
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koppik
United States676 Posts
On August 03 2010 13:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think the story on the UED is that they really just sent a small task force and built/stole the fleet in Broodwar, leaving their "uber tachyon lasers" (as Metzen said) at home for a reason the devs hadn't quite figured out.You know the UED fleet died right? Nothing was sent back to Earth. | ||
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zingmars
Latvia189 Posts
You know the UED fleet died right? Nothing was sent back to Earth. Like koppik said. UED in Brood war was just a small expeditionary force. Still doubt that UED will suddenly appear, but yes - it's possible. | ||
ArvickHero
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SilverSocks
Netherlands6 Posts
On August 03 2010 17:25 ArvickHero wrote: Wasn't the UED intended to be a race of its own, and then they got lazy or something so they just made the UED just a Terran clone lol Never heard that statement, and 3 races at the time was quite unique, don't think they would pull off 4 races back then (they needed something new for WC3  )And UED stands for United EARTH Directorate, would be weird is they weren't Terran  | ||
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Doctorasul
Romania1145 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On August 03 2010 21:28 Doctorasul wrote: But by that time the monkeys took over the earth, so where are my monkey-marines? I think Doctorasul makes a very good point. If they really are the United EARTH Directorate, how are they still functioning? Are they allowed to live on the whim of their monkey overlords? In fact, is this possibly the true 'hybrid' the xel-naga are looking for? Is it that they are waiting for monkeys and humans to cross breed, throwing people off with their diversionary tactics of Zerg-Protoss hybrids? Is the UED secretly the Xel-Naga task force? Is Duran actually running the UED towards this end? These are all very important questions we have yet to find solid answers to in the SC2 campaign and I am looking forward to how Blizzard resolves all these loose ends in HotS and SotC. | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
From what I gathered the UED fleet was an expeditionary force lead by their most genius general. I guess that vast interstellar transport for a mega fleet was too expensive for them so they sent a small one, stole all those battlecruisers, then tried to enslave the zerg and wipe out the protoss. Even though none of their fleet got a message back, it has been said that Earth was keeping tabs on the sector anyways. So it is reasonable to assume that they have some sort of plan... | ||
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Yotta
United States270 Posts
On August 03 2010 22:43 Sleight wrote: Segacy of the Coid?I think Doctorasul makes a very good point. If they really are the United EARTH Directorate, how are they still functioning? Are they allowed to live on the whim of their monkey overlords? In fact, is this possibly the true 'hybrid' the xel-naga are looking for? Is it that they are waiting for monkeys and humans to cross breed, throwing people off with their diversionary tactics of Zerg-Protoss hybrids? Is the UED secretly the Xel-Naga task force? Is Duran actually running the UED towards this end? These are all very important questions we have yet to find solid answers to in the SC2 campaign and I am looking forward to how Blizzard resolves all these loose ends in HotS and SotC. I kinda hope UED sends their entire godly huge fleet to help with the big finale mission where we have to stop the hybrids from taking over the galaxy (universe? i don't remember). Will make me happy to see how awesomely powerful our planet will be in only a few hundred years | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On August 03 2010 22:59 Yotta wrote: Segacy of the Coid? I kinda hope UED sends their entire godly huge fleet to help with the big finale mission where we have to stop the hybrids from taking over the galaxy (universe? i don't remember). Will make me happy to see how awesomely powerful our planet will be in only a few hundred years Maybe signifigant technological advancement beyond what Earth has already developed is impossible without strong psionic powers. Or at least much slower. Then there wouldn't need to be a new race of godly terran units! | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On August 03 2010 19:54 SilverSocks wrote: Never heard that statement, and 3 races at the time was quite unique, don't think they would pull off 4 races back then (they needed something new for WC3 )And UED stands for United EARTH Directorate, would be weird is they weren't Terran From gearvOsh, Admin of SC2Armory and Blizzard employee: SC1 fun fact: The UED were supposed to have different looking units in SC1, but with time constraints and how much work it would take to create all those new ones, they didnt do it. I hope that they still have a role to play. Stukov was a bamf. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On August 03 2010 13:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: You know the UED fleet died right? Nothing was sent back to Earth. So? That doesn't mean much. The time gap between BW and SC2 is enough for them to rebuild their military to a level of defending themselves. I doubt Earth would send every single ship, soldier, vehicle, etc to war in BW because it is foolhardy. I would love to see the UED come back in SC2, but most of their cool characters are dead though =/ | ||
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alsowikk
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Gedrah
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+ Show Spoiler + Doctor Narud Samir Duran The UED probably isn't intensely concerned with the Koprulu Sector, however. The colonists were exiles, scheduled to be purged anyway. As far as the Earth is concerned, they're long gone and forgotten and good riddance. The UED Expeditionary Force was mostly interested because of the unprecedented discovery of extraterrestrial life, but being such purist xenophobes, the main body of the organization is probably not extremely interested in making contact with aliens or the descendants of unclean criminals. If I had to guess, I would say that + Show Spoiler + Duran was up to something on his own, and probably is not and never has been a human being. His actions led to the first creation of Protoss-Zerg hybrids. The Xel'naga's interest in human beings was probably simply to find a race with a sufficient technological progression and insufficient moral fiber to advance their hybridization experiments, which the Khala-adherent Protoss and mindless Zerg would never help them out with. | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
On August 03 2010 13:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: You know the UED fleet died right? Nothing was sent back to Earth. It was only a small task expeditionary force. Not the actual fleet. UED have the fleet to wipe out the zerg and terran without breaking a sweat. At the end, UED HAVE to make an appearance. I really doubt the terrans can hold it against the hybrids. Maybe Valerian will ask them for their help. They are from Earth and a danger is looming over the horizon and the Terrans will need all the help they can. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
Brits colonized the new world, but that doesn't mean new world pop today has to be smaller than uk. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
On August 03 2010 13:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: You know the UED fleet died right? Nothing was sent back to Earth. you know some didn't try to flee to earth and just stayed on some terran planets right? but i think bliz stated the UED lost interest in the galactic war between the 3 races and also that the fleet they sent was only i tiny portion of their overall fleet so sounds like they could have rofl stomped everyone if they wanted to leave themselves defenseless back home | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
This is presumably because travelling that far is extremly costly for Earth, and sending a large fleet would have expended too many resources. We should also remember that earth does not have minerals or vespene gas - one of the explicit reasons the colonists were diverted in the first place (trying to find resources like this). It is likely these resources gave the sector a huge boost in econ. Earth is probably chugging along. I would expect them to have a decent fleet but not anything spectacular because they havn't had all this exposure to minerals, vespene gas, toss or zerg or xel'naga tech. They could always in theory send another expeditionary force. But because they never heard back from their old one, it would be percieved as risky. I also don't know if another small fleet could capture a large shipyard and hijack a BC fleet again too. | ||
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titan55
United States227 Posts
The only reason their power escaped was because kerrigan manipulated everyone in the sector to fight against the UED, so the UED was 1 on 4 the whole time So yes, they could've rofl stomped everyone if they sent a fleet..... | ||
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Opinion
United States236 Posts
To be continued. Starcraft 3, coming in summer of 2024. | ||
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Gedrah
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It might be similar to the idea of the U.K. starting a head-to-head land war with the U.S.A. Not trying to start any nationalist arguments by saying this--simply making the comparison that the US was originally a colony of the U.K., but after using politics, the rich resources of the continent, and the Atlantic Ocean to break away from their parent, grew to be a much larger and stronger military and industrial power. Purely in terms of land mass and population, the USA could win a land war against the UK with roundhouse kicks. This may be true of the Koprulu Dominion vs. the UED on Earth, which may or may not have colonized other worlds extensively yet. | ||
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nemanja1503
Serbia49 Posts
Consider that the estimated human population of the Korpulu sector is some 13 billion (13000000000), and they are the descendants of some 40000 people in the space of some 300 or less years. Now Earth had a lot of people at the time of the exile of the Terrans, some 9 billion if I am not mistaken. Now imagine what that population could have done in 360 years (if they grew in number a hundredfold slower then the Terrans the number we get is still mind boggling some 30 trillion people). Another thing is that the people of Earth have superior tech, and the why is simple. They had a much much bigger number of people, so a greater number of scientists and thus a greater speed of progress. They had a huge head start in resources, when the Terrans crashlanded they were sent backwards a 100 or more years, and it took them time to recover. If that ain't enough of a tech advantage the Terrans were in cold sleep for some 60ys I think so that's a 60ys of a tech lag if nothing else. So my conclusion is that the UED can't be accurately implemented, as they stand they are simple way too OP. Not only that, their tech advantage must be HUGE, so they could only be properly presented as a new fourth race/force. The reason that they use the Terran units in BW is because of game limitations and the fact that their force was a expeditionary one, a strike force of men, not a fleet so they were forced to use the native humans to fight and use their equipment, infact the largest number of the UED fighters were from the Korpulu sector, if I am not horribly mistaken. EDIT: The number of Terrans who survived the crash and are the ancestors of the current ones is actually 30000, as the 10000 on the Serengo died in the crash, so this makes that there should be even more that the 30 trillion people on earth controlled planets (in the most conservative estimate). EDIT2: Not to mention many Terrans died in the Zerg attacks (fall of Tarsonis the biggest population), the purifications of the Protoss (Chau Sara was a very successful colony apparently) and Raynor claims that Kerrigan is responsible for the deaths of 8 billion, while he may attribute the entire Zerg killings to her, it is highly unlikely because he is well aware on the matter. So considering that the Earth related wars most certainly did happen, but I am also certain we can say they weren't anywhere on the scale of devastation that ravaged the Terrans so the new numbers on the population of Earth goes up to 100+++ trillions of humans on earth aligned planets, hell if they attack the Korpulu sector with pitchforks they would still own it. This makes me think that they simply don't care about the sector, even though their expedition force was defeated they clearly see that it's no threat to them but they keep it that so that the people are scared of an enemy and don't question the government, kinda like the US now. And a last thing to think about, if I take it to the other extreme (the max number of earth aligned humans) the number we get is 14700000000000000 - 14,7 QUADRILLION humans with advanced tech = GG. And I am certain that the Earth people found minerals or a replacement elsewhere. | ||
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Void713
Canada12 Posts
Now! if you had watched one of those videos from Blizzards' Starcraft II Join the Dominion thing, and if I remember correctly. The exiles drifted for 4 long years before crash landing. Now Perhaps the UED took 4 years to arrive in the Korpulu Sector; 4 years home to Earth? Since it is 4 years after the events of Brood Wars, the UED wouldn't return for another 4. That's just a random assumption | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On August 19 2010 14:59 Ryuu314 wrote: Maybe the UED will become to the Terran what the dark templar were to the Protoss. They come back, add a few new units to the race, but more or less become part of the Terran. Sounds reasonable, since that's basically what Brood War did for the Terrans (UED Valkyries) | ||
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mimikami
France77 Posts
Then the UED force proceed to turtle with 413565132343 tanks and 45363653235245 turrets and wipe out the Hybrids. The Dark Voice (upon his defeat) : lame terran turtle gay mech ! The Dark Voice has left the game. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
as for the story, i think the zerg campaign (maybe Kerrigan) will meet with UED again. If not relevant to main story, probably a side story on picking up their researches. (like how Raynor plays a side story of the Protoss) | ||
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Squalish
United States137 Posts
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mimikami
France77 Posts
On August 19 2010 17:49 Squalish wrote: so wait, none of the UED made it back to earth, but did any information get back in some other communication form? if not, why was dugalle sending that message to his wife before he killed himself in the last cinematic? They probably know what is going on in the K sector. They knew about the Zerg, Protoss and the Dominion before BroodWar by the use of deep space probes, so they can always use them to get information in the present time. And Stukov has been revived, so probably he has succeeded in sending a message to Earth. But Blizz lore guys have stated clearly that the UED lost interest in the sector, so no massive UED force will be coming, sorry. | ||
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Vespasian
Romania44 Posts
Basicly about 100 years in the future all goes to hell on earth , tehnology advance rapidly but states and guvernments become weak/corupt or are destroyed.Part of the vacum of power starts to be filled by corporations and new religios organizations, most of the blocks (groups of states that share culture or alliances , like EU) decay and die(think about the dark ages in europe after the roman empire died) This is part partialy to fast tehnology advances that dont keep pace with the humans, the most powerfull of those ware genetics (the origin of the human ghosts),cybernetic enchancements of humans , cloning and many more radical tehnologys.Other factors ware incredible population growth and the birth of new ideologys and religions(think about how comunism affected the last centry). In time this created the stage for the birth of United Power Ligue(who bacome United Earth Directorate later on) ,a interstate organisation that tryed to replace the long defunct UN but that had much more power compared to UN .If you seen Starship troopers think of UPL as the state in the movie. A almost fascist-militarist organisation that did not have the big flows of the comunism/fascism systems . To create there vision of a unified human race they started to unite the various cultures of earth(violently when needed) , banned most religions and most languages. A dark side of this process was the physical elimination of small parts of the population (any kind of serious criminals/ geneticly enchanced humans/religios zelots etc , in general any people that they considered un-reformable) In total 400 milion people from a population of 33 billions+.A small part of those people (the one considered best to survive ) ware spared and loaded into 4 automated huge ships and sent to colonise deep space.The ships ware automated and all the people inside ware in cryo-sleep.The ships ware programed to exit from warp drive after a few years but a malfunction to the navigation system of the lead ship caused them to continue there jurney in deep space for 30 years and stop only there engiens shutdown.The automated systems landed them 3 of the, on habbitable planets(one exploded at entry ) The ship that sustained the lowest damage became the planet of Tarsonis. Ok , and finaly to get to the point United Power Ligue=UPL become United Earth Directorate as the last small areas of land in South America join UPL in response for finding inteligent life(protoss and zerg for the first time) Yes UPL/UED knew about where the 3 ships landed but for pratical reasons they only listened to there communication and didnt bother to exercise direct presence. UED is bigger(population wise and planets) and more powerfull(militery/economicly and tehnologicly) of any of the Terran factions(yes there are 3 : Confederation=> Dominion(most powerfull) , Umoja Protectorate and Kelmoria Combine Is UED the most powerfull know faction? , i would say a strong NO, the zerg are the most powerfull and way more numerous then both terran and protoss combined(protoss dont realy have the population of even the humans in Kolupu sector) Also as was and partialy still is the human military might is not design to fight the zergs, especialy UEDs , trouth they are in the process of "readjusting" Because the "hibrids" are so much powerfull(especialy tehnologicly) then both the zerg and protoss if left to organise and grow i would say it s even possible for them to destroy UED who i m not sure is even aware of there existance,even without the humans in the Kolupu sector knowing. In the last protoss mission in the SC:2 WoL i think Zeratul speaks of the fact that the humans ware already consumed(aka destroyed) . | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
Is UED the most powerfull know faction? , i would say a strong NO, the zerg are the most powerfull and way more numerous then both terran and protoss combined(protoss dont realy have the population of even the humans in Kolupu sector) Also as was and partialy still is the human military might is not design to fight the zergs, especialy UEDs , trouth they are in the process of "readjusting" If I recall the protoss numbered in the billions on Aiur. I'm not sure how many escapd to shakuras, however. They had a much much bigger number of people, so a greater number of scientists and thus a greater speed of progress. They had a huge head start in resources, when the Terrans crashlanded they were sent backwards a 100 or more years, and it took them time to recover. If that ain't enough of a tech advantage the Terrans were in cold sleep for some 60ys I think so that's a 60ys of a tech lag if nothing else. You know, in the dark ages technology stagnated for hundreds of years in europe. We really don't know what happened on earth in any detail, only some political tidbits. Population size =/= development rate. And I am certain that the Earth people found minerals or a replacement elsewhere. Why? In the korplu sector, you just have to mine minerals which can be processed into usable building materials on the battlefield. On earth, you have to build mines to pull them up from the ground, refine them, cast them, then a long and tedious process of construction. Vespene gas also seems to be a power source that does not require huge power plants to be built, only limited refineries. I would argue this resource advantage could have put earth way behind. | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
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nemanja1503
Serbia49 Posts
So there really is no point arguing against the point that they are super powerful. | ||
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Vokasak
United States388 Posts
On August 18 2010 08:50 NIJ wrote: UED probably is tiny compared to the terrans. Unless they extend their memberships toother planets, its just 1 vs many. Even if terran planets were significantly small, it wouldn't compare. Brits colonized the new world, but that doesn't mean new world pop today has to be smaller than uk. The Korpulu Sector colonies aren't the only Earth colonies that exist. The SC1 manual mentions colonies within the solar system, and there have been other references to characters living and dying on Mars and Moon bases. The Brits vs New World metaphor isn't as accurate as Brits + Australia + India + African colonies + Canada vs US would be. On August 19 2010 22:19 nemanja1503 wrote: Metzen himself said that the UED has lost interest in the Korpulu sector. And that their might and advanced "tachyon cannons" will not be present in SCII. So he basically said said that they have more advanced tech then the Terrans, and the numbers advantage is obvious. So there really is no point arguing against the point that they are super powerful. Source? I find it hard to believe that, if the events of the original campaign have made them fearful of an invasion of Earth, they would "lose interest" in the Korpulu sector after the events of Brood War, and for seemingly no reason... | ||
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nemanja1503
Serbia49 Posts
Read my post. I think they are like the US and the terrorists, the people of Earth and around were afraid of the news of the aliens so the government used that to unite all of the colonies and some of the separate earth countries into a whole, replacing the UPL with the UED. And the fact that their tiny and unsupported expedition failed is also good for them, they can claim that the aliens are super powerful and are out to get them so they must build up more forces or humanity itself will fall, this makes infighting cease and also allows them to enjoy their power for a while, but sooner or later they will have to take action again to justify the fear of the population, so that is what Metzen thought of when he said they want to do more in the future. As for the source, I think it was said on Blizzcon. | ||
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