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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-19 22:58:35
July 19 2025 22:57 GMT
#1421


What a save in the France - Germany game from the women EC quarterfinals!
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
July 19 2025 23:32 GMT
#1422
Penalties have been atrocious in the EC. Prior to France-Germany, players had only scored on 5 of 17 throughout the tournament. Ada Hegerberg had taken two for Norway - and both went outside the goal post. Sweden-England was amazing.

I think statistically there's little difference between men and women overall on penalties, with about a 70% conversion rate for both. You'd think it would be easier for women as their goalies have shorter range, so simply shooting fairly hard to either corner should be impossible to save, but apparently they're less good at changing side right before the shot, so the gks can get away with diving a bit earlier than male goalies can.
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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1927 Posts
July 20 2025 11:50 GMT
#1423
Ekitike to Liverpool looks like a done deal. Somewhere on the ballpark of 90 million euros.

Liverpool sure have invested into this window. It feels like they follow a similar pattern as Real Madrid where you may have a few windows of quiet time and work on the existing roster and then splash big when you sense an opportunity or have to make a push.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
July 20 2025 14:11 GMT
#1424
Just can't believe they invested this money and kept Salah, seemed like the would do one or the other.

Bundesliga talent been snapped up by Liverpool, just wondering if they will adapt. The last few German talents have struggled into the premier league. Werner, Nkunku, Havertz, Marmoush? I mean they not exactly done what they did at Bundesliga levels, Wirtz and Etike have some big shoes to fill and combined £200 million for the pair lol?
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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2564 Posts
July 20 2025 18:37 GMT
#1425
A healthy Wirtz could be an impact player even in the PL. Probably better than most starters and sure a starter at a top 6 team.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18406 Posts
July 20 2025 19:00 GMT
#1426
On July 20 2025 23:11 Pandemona wrote:
Just can't believe they invested this money and kept Salah, seemed like the would do one or the other.

Bundesliga talent been snapped up by Liverpool, just wondering if they will adapt. The last few German talents have struggled into the premier league. Werner, Nkunku, Havertz, Marmoush? I mean they not exactly done what they did at Bundesliga levels, Wirtz and Etike have some big shoes to fill and combined £200 million for the pair lol?


Pretty sure Marmoush is doing really good when Pep gives him a chance to play?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25283 Posts
July 20 2025 20:09 GMT
#1427
On July 20 2025 23:11 Pandemona wrote:
Just can't believe they invested this money and kept Salah, seemed like the would do one or the other.

Bundesliga talent been snapped up by Liverpool, just wondering if they will adapt. The last few German talents have struggled into the premier league. Werner, Nkunku, Havertz, Marmoush? I mean they not exactly done what they did at Bundesliga levels, Wirtz and Etike have some big shoes to fill and combined £200 million for the pair lol?

I think Wirtz is just on another level to some of those other names, he feels close to a guarantee provided he doesn’t have horrible injuries.

Granted there are few sure things in football! Werner’s confidence went, Nkunku wasn’t lucky with injuries, Marmoush hasn’t been too bad at all.

Havertz felt like people bought him for his clear quality, but didn’t really know where he was going to play. I could see Wirtz struggle a bit if Liverpool don’t have an actual plan for him, but that would seem a bit atypical for them based on recent times. Plus they don’t tend to spend quite that big, so I’d imagine they’d think even more carefully
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
July 20 2025 20:47 GMT
#1428
Yeah i hope Wirtz is the next thing, but i just don't see it yet, i feel he is not as good as Musailia and closer to a Havertz, but we shall see, i do feel Liverpool is a good place for him due to Salah being there to "bail" you out if you have a tough time etc.

I don't think you can say Marmoush is good yet in the league can you? Well i think he is good but i mean he hasn't transfered his world class elite level stats yet? 17 bundesliga games netted him 15 goals and 10 assists, in the prem, 16 gave him 7 goals and 2 assists? But of course very early in his career and he did score one of the goals of the season in England lol.

Would you say though, there could be an argument to be made that Bundesliga talents coming into the premier league recently have not worked?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
July 21 2025 05:45 GMT
#1429
Decided to have a look at some names that you didn't mention over the past few years

Gvardiol from Leipzig to City - good multi-position defender and starts most games for Pep
Sancho from Dortmund to United - lol
Szoboszslai from Leipzig to Liverpool - looks to be out of the starting XI with Wirtz in
De Ligt from Bayern to United - crippled by nagging injuries, talent is still there
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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1927 Posts
July 21 2025 07:38 GMT
#1430
There was some really curious data about Marmoush and his scoring. At least in Bundesliga almost all his goals followed a pretty identifiable pattern, something like right-footed shot across the goal into left corner. Same with penalties. I think some goalie mentioned that he knew exactly what kind of penalty to expect.

He's good at what he does definitely, but based on that he seems like someone who can be figured out and not someone who fits into Pep's system long term. Then again I haven't seen him play at all, so maybe I've got this completely backwards or something.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18406 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-21 09:25:31
July 21 2025 07:46 GMT
#1431
Wirtz is nothing like Havertz... If you think Musiala is technical then you have never seen Wirtz play. He has the potential to be a generational talent.

- 9 G+A in 16 PL games is world class level... Marmoush had no pre-season with City, just got thrown on the field.
- Szoboszslai is one the reasons Liverpool won the PL last season. He keeps running non-stop.
- Gvardiol world class
- Gravenberch THE central midfielder of last season
- Mazraoui the only good ManUtd player? haha
- van de Ven great at Spurs when he was fit
- Haaland???
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
July 21 2025 08:04 GMT
#1432
i think bundesliga players coming to the pl and not working out has only applied to forwards. that goes for a lot of leagues though. hard to see forwards really do well in the pl
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18406 Posts
July 21 2025 09:25 GMT
#1433
Crazy how much better Isak is performing in the PL. Since he didn't have good numbers in Bundesliga and La Liga
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
July 21 2025 09:37 GMT
#1434
Haaland also came from Bundesliga
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
July 21 2025 10:13 GMT
#1435
the best players are gonna perform wherever they go. its the mid tier guys that carry doubt
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1053 Posts
July 21 2025 12:27 GMT
#1436
Some players are only good in a particular system and cannot adjust once outside of that system.

For example, Phil Foden trying to play for anyone other than Pep Guardiola.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6928 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-21 12:46:26
July 21 2025 12:45 GMT
#1437
On July 20 2025 23:11 Pandemona wrote:
Just can't believe they invested this money and kept Salah, seemed like the would do one or the other.

Bundesliga talent been snapped up by Liverpool, just wondering if they will adapt. The last few German talents have struggled into the premier league. Werner, Nkunku, Havertz, Marmoush? I mean they not exactly done what they did at Bundesliga levels, Wirtz and Etike have some big shoes to fill and combined £200 million for the pair lol?


Not sure if this serious or a "PL is a so much better league" bait...

Haaland had no trouble adopting, Gravenberch couldn't manage in the Bundesliga but became Best in Slot in PL and there are so much more examples for succes stories... it feels like troll bait

EDIT: Okay I got triggered and had to reply immediately. Now seeing the other responses xD
Pande you are troll
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25283 Posts
July 21 2025 14:19 GMT
#1438
On July 21 2025 21:45 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2025 23:11 Pandemona wrote:
Just can't believe they invested this money and kept Salah, seemed like the would do one or the other.

Bundesliga talent been snapped up by Liverpool, just wondering if they will adapt. The last few German talents have struggled into the premier league. Werner, Nkunku, Havertz, Marmoush? I mean they not exactly done what they did at Bundesliga levels, Wirtz and Etike have some big shoes to fill and combined £200 million for the pair lol?


Not sure if this serious or a "PL is a so much better league" bait...

Haaland had no trouble adopting, Gravenberch couldn't manage in the Bundesliga but became Best in Slot in PL and there are so much more examples for succes stories... it feels like troll bait

EDIT: Okay I got triggered and had to reply immediately. Now seeing the other responses xD
Pande you are troll

Pande’s just spoiled for quality given he supports the World ChampionsTM
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10155 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 17:02:27
July 22 2025 16:59 GMT
#1439
On July 20 2025 23:11 Pandemona wrote:
Just can't believe they invested this money and kept Salah, seemed like the would do one or the other.

Bundesliga talent been snapped up by Liverpool, just wondering if they will adapt. The last few German talents have struggled into the premier league. Werner, Nkunku, Havertz, Marmoush? I mean they not exactly done what they did at Bundesliga levels, Wirtz and Etike have some big shoes to fill and combined £200 million for the pair lol?

The last 3 Bundesliga players we picked up have all been worth their money imo. Gravenberch (though he hardly was a Bundesliga player since he barely played for Bayern) has been obviously the breakout of the season for us, Endo has been excellent for how little we spent on him and helped us win a cup and kept our midfield afloat as a stop gap, and Szoboszlai who while his fee was steeper, was the core engine of our midfield. They've all succeeded at our club so hopefully, the same can be said about our next 3 Bundesliga players as well.

I have no qualms about Wirtz going to fit in, he's already a world class CAM who can flex in any of the front 3 positions. Frimpong looks to have the speed necessary to play in the prem, but we'll see how he does defensively which is the big question mark. And Ekitike reminds me a bit of a Firmino type who can succeed in the prem, giving up some of Firmno's technical ability in exchange for a bigger frame and more physicality.
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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1053 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 21:51:28
July 22 2025 21:42 GMT
#1440
Italy's women just went through the full Italian playbook of dark arts after scoring in the first half against England, but they conceded an equaliser 90+6 and then lost in extra time. Feels good to see them upset with the way they play the game. Just as annoying as the men's team.

"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
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