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On January 05 2021 04:20 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2021 03:36 cLutZ wrote:On January 05 2021 03:16 JimmiC wrote:On January 05 2021 02:31 tofucake wrote:
Wentz has already said he wants to get traded in the off season, and you may recall we won the Superbowl with a backup. Also, with the rate we go through players, having QBs with actual game experience is pretty important. Wanting to get traded and getting traded are two completely different things. There is just no way imaginable that it is better to get Sudfield those key minutes over hurts. Hurts might top out as your Backup, but sudfield is at max going to top out as your back up and there is a strong chance he won't even be there next year. Now is picking higher worth it, probably. It is just lame to pretend it was about anything other than losing. And BTW I was getting insulted for saying the Eagles should have traded Wentz after the superbowl since he was the most valued asset in the league and IMO way over valued. Not to mention the aging team and how valuable picks are and how crushing a expensive QB contract could be. It is just that I think we know at this point that Sudeld, a 27 year old 6th round who was 3rd string is not the answer. You don't know if Hurts is or isn't. Crunch time is when you find those things out. The thing about the Eagles trading Wentz at that time is I don't think people would have ended up giving as much as you think. Something that looks like the Bears trade for Khalil Mack + maybe an extra 2nd is what happens because of the injury. And, if they take that deal and he went to a place like the Colts, SF, or its a Wentz-Goff + picks swap sort of situation, I think Wentz probably does pan out into a situation where everyone memes on the Eagles for a decade. Its kinda like if the Colts had traded Luck in 2017. It would look like genius right now. Wow 2 firsts for a guy out of the league! But in a lot of scenarios the change of scenery would have really improved everything surrounding his mentality and situation, and then you are the team that traded Pat Mahomes' only rival in the AFC for a half decade. I mean was a high risk move no doubt. I think you get a lot more for the QB since the league overrates them so hard (IMO) and at that time, before mahomes, Wentz was thought of like that. To me he was a over valued asset because well the potential was there, he had some injury concerns, he was a bit reckless and you knew his contract was going to be crazy high. You would need to know what actual offers were out there since 1 first or 5 firsts or anything in between totally changes the calculus. But I think very few QB's live up to their contracts so if you can get a bunch of cost controlled talent you should do it.
He was playing at an MVP level before he got injured. Gambling that he is going to regress this hard is a bad move.
It takes years to learn the qb position with all its nuances. Chances are, your qb is almost done with his rookie contract by the time he is competent in the position. I have yet to see an NFL team attempt to go all in on Lamar Jackson types as their qb and run them into the ground by the time their rookie contract ends.
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Cam is probably out after this season. Who's gonna start for the Patriots? And does BB retire?
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Trevor Lawrence. I heard his draft stock tanked after the semis /s
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Browns lose their coach and several other players for their playoff game due to COVID
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On January 05 2021 15:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Cam is probably out after this season. Who's gonna start for the Patriots? And does BB retire?
This has to be the weirdest possible comment
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How so? Rumor is Cam is out after a disappointing season (he only had the one year contract). And does BB still want to coach a new 10yr project?
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On January 06 2021 03:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
How so? Rumor is Cam is out after a disappointing season (he only had the one year contract). And does BB still want to coach a new 10yr project?
Cam feels too irrelevant to be discussed in this slow ass thread.
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absolutely deserved. i hope when we look back, people won't knock him for playing in a covid-affected year or whatever.
guy was an absolute monster.
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hof 2021 finalists
Jared Allen, DE – 2004-2007 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-2015 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers
Ronde Barber, DB – 1997-2012 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tony Boselli, T -- 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans (injured reserve)
LeRoy Butler, S -- 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers
Alan Faneca, G -- 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals
Torry Holt, WR -- 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
Calvin Johnson, WR – 2007-2015 Detroit Lions
John Lynch, FS -- 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
Peyton Manning, QB – 1998-2011 Indianapolis Colts, 2012-2015 Denver Broncos
Clay Matthews, LB – 1978-1993 Cleveland Browns, 1994-1996 Atlanta Falcons
Sam Mills, LB -- 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers
Richard Seymour, DE/DT -- 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
Zach Thomas, LB -- 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys
Reggie Wayne, WR -- 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
Charles Woodson, DB – 1998-2005, 2013-2015 Oakland Raiders, 2006-2012 Green Bay Packers
manning and woodson are shoe-in's. matthews and lynch will probably get in too. megatron is the big question mark.
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I'm pretty shocked Trevor Lawrence came in 2nd. Career/prospect rating votes I guess
don't think Calvin will be first ballot but he'll get in since the hall has looked more favorably on shorter careers lately
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Wayne/Peyton getting in in the same class would be really awesome to see.
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2020 AP First Team All Pro
OFFENSE
Quarterback: Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
Running Back: Derrick Henry, Tennessee
Tight End: Travis Kelce, Kansas City **unanimous selection**
Wide Receivers: Davante Adams, Green Bay; Stefon Diggs, Buffalo; Tyreek Hill, Kansas City
Left Tackle: David Bakhtiari, Green Bay
Left Guard: Quenten Nelson, Indianapolis
Center: Corey Linsley, Green Bay
Right Guard: Brandon Scherff, Washington
Right Tackle: Jack Conklin, Cleveland
DEFENSE
EDGE: TJ Watt, Pittsburgh; Myles Garrett, Cleveland
Interior DLine: Aaron Donald, Los Angeles Rams **unanimous selection**; DeForest Buckner, Indianapolis
Linebackers: Fred Warner, San Francisco; Bobby Wagner, Seattle; Darius Leonard, Indianapolis
Cornerbacks: Xavien Howard, Miami; Jalen Ramsey, Los Angeles Rams
Safeties: Tyrann Mathieu, Kansas City; Minkah Fitzpatrick, Pittsburgh; Buddha Baker, Arizona
SPECIAL TEAMS
Longsnapper: Morgan Cox, Baltimore
Placekicker: Jason Sanders, Miami
Punter: Jake Bailey, New England
Kick Returner: Cordarrelle Patterson, Chicago
Punt Returner: Gunner Olszewski, New England
Special Teamer: George Odum, Indianapolis
SECOND TEAM
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Damn. LaVonte David just keeps getting snubbed.
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2020 College Football Consensus All Americans
OFFENSE
Quarterback: Mac Jones, Alabama
Running back: Breece Hall, Iowa State **unanimous AA**; Najee Harris, Alabama **unanimous AA**
Wide Receiver: Elijah Moore, Ole Miss; DeVonta Smith, Alabama **unanimous AA**
Tight End: Kyle Pitts, Florida **unanimous AA**
Center: Landon Dickerson, Alabama **unanimous AA**
Offensive Line: Brady Christensen, BYU; Wyatt Davis, Ohio State **unanimous AA**; Liam Eichenberg, Notre Dame; Kenyon Green, Texas A&M; Alex Leatherwood, Alabama **unanimous AA**
DEFENSE
Defensive Line: Tarron Jackson, Coastal Carolina; Patrick Jones II, Pittsburgh; Daviyon Nixon, Iowa **unanimous AA**; Darius Stills, West Virginia; Rashad Weaver, Pittsburgh
Linebacker: Zaven Collins, Tulsa **unanimous AA**; Joseph Ossai, Texas; Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Notre Dame **unanimous AA**
Defensive Back: Talanoa Hufanga, USC; Brandon Joseph, Northwestern; Patrick Surtain II, Alabama **unanimous AA**; Shaun Wade, Ohio State
SPECIAL TEAMS
Kicker: Jose Borregales, Miami (FL) **unanimous AA**
Punter: Pressley Harvin III, Georgia Tech **unanimous AA**
All-Purpose/Return Specialist: Travis Etienne, Clemson; Avery Williams, Boise State
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On January 09 2021 05:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Damn. LaVonte David just keeps getting snubbed.
He did at least make 2nd team all pro
the hottest discussion topics on reddit seem to be
"Who gave Cole Beasley a vote for All Pro?" and "How did Cole Beasley and DK Metcalf end up with the same number of votes"
"How was Derrick Henry not unanimous?"
The Derrick Henry question has been answered by one of the three voters who voted for Alvin Kamara saying that Henry was too much of a liability in the passing game to be the all pro back
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On January 09 2021 05:14 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 05:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Damn. LaVonte David just keeps getting snubbed. He did at least make 2nd team all pro
Yay. >.>
I can't wait for the day there's a Nebraska player being named on that list. Feels like a lifetime since I've seen one up there.
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shaun wade being an all-american is the biggest farce.
also jim harbaugh gets a new contract at michigan.
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